Steve Rogers War Games

Steve Rogers

vs.

Wolverine
Thor
Punisher
Batman
Wonder Woman
Orion

...but not how you think.

Steve has been given two years to take a force of fifty average and decidedly unremarkable human beings and whip them into shape as a well oiled fighting force. Each of Rogers opponents are given the same opportunity. Who here can compete evenly or even surpass Steve as a leader/trainer/tactician/strategist without directly involving themselves or any resources they possess in the battle itself?

EDIT:

Two scenarios to consider for the battles.

1. Non-Lethal/Incapacitation.
2. Any means necessary.

Doom

I almost put him in, but I didn't want a spite thread on my conscience.

In my mind, I say that Wolverine would do better that Rogers.

Rogers is, without a doubt, a better tactician that Wolverine, and is infinitly better than him as a leader.

But I think that Wolverine is the best teacher out of the two, probably the most skilled, definitively the most knowledgable on the arts of fighting and war, and for sure, the most mean.

Rogers team would have the biggest balls, best teamwork, and best game plan, but Wolverine team would be filled with better overall soldiers, and they would be ready to spill blood everywhere.

Between these two, I'd say Wolverine.

Wait, so it's

Steve's 50 grunts vs. Wolverine's 50 then separately
Steve's 50 grunts vs. Thor's 50...etc...

or is it

Steve's 50 vs. 50 trained by the team listed?

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Steve and team 2 aren't involved in the fight, correct?

Edit: Are teams trained to go for the kill, or are they mimicing the personalities of their leaders?

Originally posted by Cogito
Wait, so it's

Steve's 50 grunts vs. Wolverine's 50 then separately
Steve's 50 grunts vs. Thor's 50...etc...

or is it

Steve's 50 vs. 50 trained by the team listed?

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Steve and team 2 aren't involved in the fight, correct?

Yes, it's a gauntlet so to speak. He battles each opponent's force, with having his force fully healed and revived for each battle, but they don't retain any experience from previous fights.

And yes, Steve and his opponent do not directly engage in the fight, but can rely orders through a command center which is inaccessible and unalterable by opposing forces. Like a pocket dimension with computer screens showing the battlefield and what not or something.

Two more questions before I weigh in...

Originally posted by Cogito
Edit: Are teams trained to go for the kill, or are they mimicing the personalities of their leaders?

This and..

Do the teams get to create any specialized equipment in the two years, or does everyone get issued standard military gear?

Originally posted by Cogito
Two more questions before I weigh in...

This and..

Do the teams get to create any specialized equipment in the two years, or does everyone get issued standard military gear?

There's two separate scenarios to consider: non-lethal rules of engagement and by any means necessary. The characters will command and lead their troops "in character", if that helps.

Everyone gets only standard military gear for the battle, but during the two year training, can use resources and equipment that the characters in question reasonably have access to. So Logan could, if he wanted, take his army and train them in the Danger Room, for example.

Wolverine
Wolverine would be a comparable teacher to Cap. They both have a ton of experience, so this is probably the closest matchup. Cap has a slight edge in tactics/strategy, Wolverine has the edge in ruthlessness.
Scenario 1: Cap's team wins a close one. Wolverine's team just isn't equipped for non-lethal measures.
Scenario 2: Toss up or slight edge to Wolverine, for opposite reasons listed above.

Thor
IMO, Cap has the edge against Thor in just about every relevant category. Plus, his team respects him more and works harder for him.
Scenario 1: Cap
Scenario 2: Cap

Punisher
Can't match Cap. Simple as that.
Scenario 1: Cap
Scenario 2: Cap

Batman
Batman is no doubt an extraordinary teacher when it comes to a single pupil (see Robins). If you dumped 50 people in front of him he'd consider them a nuisance and ignore them. After two years he'd solo Caps team.
Scenario 1: Batman via cheating
Scenario 2: Batman via cheating

Wonder Woman
Arguably the most skilled person here (I'd argue it anyways). Raised by a culture that does this, and only this, for a living. She has enormous experience and resources to draw on. She may not be the strategist/tactician that Cap is, but she'll have the best fighters. By far.
Scenario 1: Team WW
Scenario 2: Team WW

Orion
...gets confused and overestimates human durability. Gets pissed of a lot by their incompetence. His team dies in their training.
Scenario 1: Cap via forfeit
Scenario 2: Cap via forfeit

Originally posted by Cogito
Wolverine
Wolverine would be a comparable teacher to Cap. They both have a ton of experience, so this is probably the closest matchup. Cap has a slight edge in tactics/strategy, Wolverine has the edge in ruthlessness.
Scenario 1: Cap's team wins a close one. Wolverine's team just isn't equipped for non-lethal measures.
Scenario 2: Toss up or slight edge to Wolverine, for opposite reasons listed above.

Thor
IMO, Cap has the edge against Thor in just about every relevant category. Plus, his team respects him more and works harder for him.
Scenario 1: Cap
Scenario 2: Cap

Punisher
Can't match Cap. Simple as that.
Scenario 1: Cap
Scenario 2: Cap

Batman
Batman is no doubt an extraordinary teacher when it comes to a single pupil (see Robins). If you dumped 50 people in front of him he'd consider them a nuisance and ignore them. After two years he'd solo Caps team.
Scenario 1: Batman via cheating
Scenario 2: Batman via cheating

Wonder Woman
Arguably the most skilled person here (I'd argue it anyways). Raised by a culture that does this, and only this, for a living. She has enormous experience and resources to draw on. She may not be the strategist/tactician that Cap is, but she'll have the best fighters. By far.
Scenario 1: Team WW
Scenario 2: Team WW

Orion
...gets confused and overestimates human durability. Gets pissed of a lot by their incompetence. His team dies in their training.
Scenario 1: Cap via forfeit
Scenario 2: Cap via forfeit

Eh, training already highly trained soldiers is far different from training "decidedly unremarkable human beings"

Originally posted by Cogito
Eh, training already highly trained soldiers is far different from training "decidedly unremarkable human beings"

These guys are average.. from experience I can say that only 40% or so would even make the cut as a regular soldier. Most average guys are either physically unfit or just unreliable. Training a hundred right off the street with no selection process would be extremely hard.

Cap wins in both senarios, he will bring out the best in all and produce the best functioning and adaptable unit. WW will do well but I imagine the learning curve will be slower. Wolvie and Punisher will end up with a badass force but quality will vary and far from all will complete their training program.

Originally posted by Mshinu
These guys are average.. from experience I can say that only 40% or so would even make the cut as a regular soldier. Most average guys are either physically unfit or just unreliable. Training a hundred right off the street with no selection process would be extremely hard.

Cap wins in both senarios, he will bring out the best in all and produce the best functioning and adaptable unit. WW will do well but I imagine the learning curve will be slower. Wolvie and Punisher will end up with a badass force but quality will vary and far from all will complete their training program.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I think it matters little if Steve is basically training marines to Wolverine and Frank's Navy Seals. Also what is the battleground. If it's anything less than an open field where everyone can just point and shoot at what they see of course Steve's going to win. But urban environment/jungle/swamp/woodlands/tall grassland I'm going to go quality over quantity every time. Especially when every single one would be a damned ninja. Also Frank's unconventional tactics even personally against Steve I'd rate as superior and knowing him his force of 5 men who survived the training would have the entire battlefield rigged with boobietraps in the first 5 minutes while Steve's team is searching for them,

What is unconventional about setting traps? It is as basic to warfare as bullets.

Originally posted by Mshinu
What is unconventional about setting traps? It is as basic to warfare as bullets.

Batman inc!

Originally posted by Uriel005
point is I'd take a squad or 2 of seals over 50 marines

If you think 2 guys trained by Frank could play hide and seek well enough with 50 of Cap`s boys to take them all out.. you are simply mistaken.

Originally posted by Uriel005
point is I'd take a squad or 2 of seals over 50 marines

Originally posted by Mshinu
If you think 2 guys trained by Frank could play hide and seek well enough with 50 of Cap`s boys to take them all out.. you are simply mistaken.

If you think he said 2 guys...you are simply mistaken. 😕

Originally posted by Uriel005
point is I'd take a squad or 2 of seals over 50 marines

The squad of seals would turn around and shoot you if they knew that you willingly having them face 50 Marines.