Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"Far greater" is a bit of a stretch methinks.
Originally posted by srankmissingninOnly when we devolve Batman to a forum perception of what he can do and 'should be', rather than the one presented to us in comics, and dismiss most of the last decade or more. Because that's the only way a guy like Daredevil is even close to a guy like Batman in class.
Even "slightly greater," would be a stretch. 😎
Originally posted by Juntai
Only when we devolve Batman to a forum perception of what he can do and 'should be', rather than the one presented to us in comics, and dismiss most of the last decade or more. Because that's the only way a guy like Daredevil is even close to a guy like Batman in class.
Thats complete and utter rubbish.
Originally posted by DeadlineOh, is it?
Thats complete and utter rubbish.
When was the last time you saw Daredevil flatten a class 100 character? Has Bullseye ever made a herald level guy shake in his boots? When was the last time you saw either of them not only take down a foe more suited for Spiderman in strength/durability, but 3 of them at the same time, effortlessly?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAnd man, it sure happens for Batman -a lot-. Like, so frequently it's pretty much part of his character over the last decade.
PIS happens.
Like, totally punk Firestorm one issue, then turn around and beat the piss out of Lobo shortly after.
Don't worry though guys, reboot is upon us. 😉
Consistent PIS is still PIS.
I hold Batman accountable for PIS as much as I do Captain America and Wolverine. I for one don't believe Batman can somehow phase someone like Wonder Woman with any of his physical blows when she's no sold attacks from beings far stronger than Batman. Nor do I legitimately believe Batman can solo the JLA minus Superman without healthy doses of extreme PIS. Just like I think Cap staggering Hulk with his bare hands is PIS. Or Logan making a fool out of Count Nefaria.
Originally posted by Juntai
Oh, is it?When was the last time you saw Daredevil flatten a class 100 character? Has Bullseye ever made a herald level guy shake in his boots?
He taken down an upgraded Mr Hyde with one shot and Wolverine. Wolverine isn't a class 100 brick but you know how hard he is to put down. Bullseye doesn't need to make a herald lvl character quake in his boots thats just people jobbing to him.
Originally posted by JuntaiWhen was the last time you saw either of them not only take down a foe more suited for Spiderman in strength/durability, but 3 of them at the same time, effortlessly?
Serioulsy are you going start wasting my time. So any crappy feat that Batman does and you start bigging it up? OHMYGOD HES GONE UPAGAINST 3 PEOPLE WITH CLASS 10 STRENGTH1111!!
Don't waste my time not even going to respond to that nonsense.
Originally posted by MshinuI never claimed as much, but he is 1 for 1 in both scenarios. 😉
So then Batman would take the majority in a straight up match against Firestorm or Lobo right?
Like I said, you're still thinking in forum terms, he's just a man who knows kung fu, in a mask. Batman is far more dangerous than that.
He's defeated an entire Teen Titans team at once, without breaking a sweat.
He can disapear in plain sight from those with superpowers.
He can sense Martian Manhunter while phase-shifted and invisible trying to sneak up on him.
Dodge a sniper bullet based on vibration in the air, after it's fired, at his back.
Or kick a tempered steel beam, the type used to hold up massive structures and dent it or bend it with his foot.
Batman might not have superstrength, but he HITS like it, and many have commented on it.
Originally posted by Juntai
I never claimed as much, but he is 1 for 1 in both scenarios. 😉Like I said, you're still thinking in forum terms, he's just a man who knows kung fu, in a mask. Batman is far more dangerous than that.
Dunno about that.
Originally posted by Juntai
He's defeated an entire Teen Titans team at once, without breaking a sweat.
That might not be a big deal depending on who was in the team.
Originally posted by JuntaiHe can disapear in plain sight from those with superpowers.
and since Batman has stated hes used tech to keep himself hidden from Superman that could be involved.
Originally posted by JuntaiHe can sense Martian Manhunter while phase-shifted and invisible trying to sneak up on him.
Dodge a sniper bullet based on vibration in the air, after it's fired, at his back.
I could see Daredevil doing both of those, especially since hes sensed Mephisto in disguise.
Originally posted by JuntaiOr kick a tempered steel beam, the type used to hold up massive structures and dent it or bend it with his foot.
and Daredevil has opened a safe that Spiderman struggeled to open. Tilted a limo with three people inside at and his lifted one of those massive slot machines with just his arms.
Originally posted by JuntaiBatman might not have superstrength, but he HITS like it, and many have commented on it.
Wow, big deal.
Originally posted by Juntai
So does Taskmaster have accuracy feats like this?
Throws a Batarang behind him, bounces it around the room and hits a hostage holding gunman.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-batarangtrick1a.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-batarangtrick1b.jpgBounces a Batarang off of a statue and KOs three men with it.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-statue.jpgSnatches an arrow off the ground and throws it down the barrel of a gun and casues it to backfire.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-arrow.jpgTakes Artemis' arrow out of the air with a Batarang.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-artemis.jpgDeathstroke with enhanced vision, and one of the best assassins/mercenaries in comics, deemed this shot impossible- not only does he make the shot, but he uses it to disarm a man of both of his weapons that's escaping with a high calibre rifle and doesn't even bipod or prone for extra control.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-sniperstroke2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-sniperstroke3.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmark-sniperstroke4.jpgHe's also taken down two seperate attack helicopters, one with a knife, and one with a ski pole.
Maybe he's not Bullseye, as far as the ridiculous goes, but he's not far off either. 😉
Thing is, Taskmaster totally does have feats like that...
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Taskmaster%20Respect%20thread/?action=view¤t=BillCLubmmoonKnight.jpg
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Taskmaster%20Respect%20thread/?action=view¤t=Crossbowgunbarrel.jpg
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Taskmaster%20Respect%20thread/?action=view¤t=GiantOwnage.jpg
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Taskmaster%20Respect%20thread/?action=view¤t=PenKill.jpg
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Taskmaster%20Respect%20thread/?action=view¤t=Spidermanthrow.jpg
He's got more but I'm feeling too lazy to go through the respect thread more...
Originally posted by DeadlineWally West, Donna Troy, Dick Grayson, Roy Harper, Garth/Aqualad.
That might not be a big deal depending on who was in the team.
Now quit derailing the thread with nonsense. 1) I'm not even debating this stuff, I'm just saying it. 2) You're acting like you're rebuttaling things I'm saying or offering counters, but you're not. example; I mention how Batman takes down Lobo man to man, and you give me "he battled Mr Hyde", as if that's a solid comparison.
But if you want to follow me around in the thread trying to get a rise out of me, or prove a point with acting like you're offering counters/debating and debunking, when I'm not even putting real effort into this -- I'll leave you with this;
Fact is, point blank, if you want to compare feats straight up, and disregard nothing, just going on what's in the comics, Batman will absolutely destroy Daredevil in a feat war. It wouldn't even be remotely a comparison. He wouldn't even register next to it.
Not let me have my fun. 🙂
Originally posted by AlmightyKfishThing is, the guy I responded to was acting as if he was out Batman's league with such feats. And clearly isn't. Batman also has a ton more, I just grabbed a few.
Thing is, Taskmaster totally does have feats like that...http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Taskmaster%20Respect%20thread/?action=view¤t=BillCLubmmoonKnight.jpg
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Taskmaster%20Respect%20thread/?action=view¤t=Crossbowgunbarrel.jpg
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Taskmaster%20Respect%20thread/?action=view¤t=GiantOwnage.jpg
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Taskmaster%20Respect%20thread/?action=view¤t=PenKill.jpg
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Taskmaster%20Respect%20thread/?action=view¤t=Spidermanthrow.jpgHe's got more but I'm feeling too lazy to go through the respect thread more...
