Batman vs. Taskmaster

Started by Juntai6 pages

Originally posted by Deadline
Um I'm not talking about Taskmaster. You said that Batman is way better than Daredevil. You're using ABC logic to prove it as well.

I've pretty much proved you don't know what you're talking about.

No, I'm not. I've been using Batman feats. You're trying to use some Daredevil once fought Wolverine who once fought a much weaker Hulk crap and trying to extrapolate that backwards to Daredevil.

lol.

And, no, you haven.t

Set the thread up if you want. 🙂

All canon showings count, Daredevil vs Batman.

Originally posted by Juntai
It's all ambiguous, Tim's defeated Cass too. Deathstroke outclassed her. So has Batman.

Batman took down Grundy, twice. Beat Gorilla Grodd, traded blows with Metallo, defeated Lobo hand to hand, defeated Aquaman in hand to hand combat. Although didn't defeat her, had the upper hand on Wonder Woman on multiple occasions, etc etc. Daredevil isn't in this class of character when we allow all feats. So, bla bla bla, all you'd like. 🙂

Switch those names with Blob, Herc, Hulk, Hyde, Wrecker, Absorbing Man, Thing, Titania, Namor and Ultron and you'd be talking about Daredevil.

But I think you need to re-familiar yourself with the rules because what is and what isn't PIS is pretty clear.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Switch those names with Blob, Herc, Hulk, Hyde, Wrecker, Absorbing Man, Thing, Titania, Namor and Ultron and you'd be talking about Daredevil.

But I think you need to re-familiar yourself with the rules because what is and what isn't PIS is pretty clear.

What were the circumstances with Ultron (really curios here)?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Switch those names with Blob, Herc, Hulk, Hyde, Wrecker, Absorbing Man, Thing, Titania, Namor and Ultron and you'd be talking about Daredevil.
Batman won the fights I mentioned. I can't account for all of those fights off of the top of my head, but the match between Namor and Daredevil that you're trying to push off there, as I remember it was like an ant vs a elephant. And he certainly didn;t win. Nothing similar to Batman going punch for punch for Aquaman, Lobo, or taking down Grundy, etc.
I'm guessing a few of those others are circumstantial, not martial skill, or straight up losses like this as well.

And Batman trading blows with Aquaman, Lobo, and Grundy doesn't strike you as PIS at all?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
What were the circumstances with Ultron (really curios here)?

It was malfunctioning and he had Karnak helping him.

And for the record, if Matt straight up traded blow for blow with those people Srank mentioned without any sort of context, amp, or aid, it's PIS for DD as well.

It's pretty clear cut that street level beings get the benefit of PIS in comics. Unless you really think Batman and co. can legitimately fight off high end metas and heralds. Which is...well....

Sooo.. we're argiung whose PIS showings are better?

Originally posted by Juntai
Batman won the fights I mentioned. I can't account for all of those fights off of the top of my head, but the match between Namor and Daredevil that you're trying to push off there, as I remember it was like an ant vs a elephant. And he certainly didn;t win. Nothing similar to Batman going punch for punch for Aquaman, Lobo, or taking down Grundy, etc.
I'm guessing a few of those others are circumstantial, not martial skill, or straight up losses like this as well.

Daredevil has fought Namor four or five times, and while he might not have won those encounters, he fared better then Batman did against Wonder Woman in Hiketeia. 😎

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And for the record, if Matt straight up traded blow for blow with those people Srank mentioned without any sort of context, amp, or aid, it's PIS for DD as well.

It's pretty clear cut that street level beings get the benefit of PIS in comics. Unless you really think Batman and co. can legitimately fight off high end metas and heralds. Which is...well....

I wasn't arguing the legitimacy of those feats, just acknowledging that if we are pretending Batman's PIS are valid that those types of examples exist for Daredevil - and really almost every street character - as well.

Most of the examples I cited are - like the Batman ones - blatant PIS.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Daredevil has fought Namor four or five times, and while he might not have won those encounters, he fared better then Batman did against Wonder Woman in Hiketeia. 😎
Batman's tussled WW 3 or 4 seperate occasions, and had the upper hand in each of them at one point before just being overpowered. But it's not really a comparison anyways, Wonderwoman's greater than Namor. WW also gets the benefit of being another high profile character, being why the Aquaman, Lobo, and Grundy didn't fare nearly as well in battle with Batman.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I wasn't arguing the legitimacy of those feats, just acknowledging that if we are pretending Batman's PIS are valid that those types of examples exist for Daredevil - and really almost every street character - as well.

Most of the examples I cited are - like the Batman ones - blatant PIS.

They were also probably circumstantial or straight up losses like I pointed out, unlike Batman, who used kung fu, and won. 😄

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I wasn't arguing the legitimacy of those feats, just acknowledging that if we are pretending Batman's PIS are valid that those types of examples exist for Daredevil - and really almost every street character - as well.

Most of the examples I cited are - like the Batman ones - blatant PIS.

👆

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I wasn't arguing the legitimacy of those feats, just acknowledging that if we are pretending Batman's PIS are valid that those types of examples exist for Daredevil - and really almost every street character - as well.

Most of the examples I cited are - like the Batman ones - blatant PIS.

So you want to set it up then? Or are you just cheerleading?

Daredevil vs Batman. 😄

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Daredevil has fought Namor four or five times, and while he might not have won those encounters, he fared better then Batman did against Wonder Woman in Hiketeia.
If by 'fared better' you mean left bloody and beaten in the ground by a guy that wasn't even trying or taking him seriously, but was amazed only in the fact he -kept- trying like a retard running headfirst into a brick wall over and over hoping to get different results.

Anyways I'm done ****ing around. Mom's birthday, taking her out for dinner. Peace out guys.

While I put Juntai into the top 3 most knowledgeable DC posters here I heavily disagree with his view on Batman.

If we take a look on his "low showings" and the high/low ratio I think we can throw away the thought of Batman being a herald.

Another thing is besides his place on teams that consists of very powerful beings his villain roster looks like this:

I think the villain gallery overall very well mirrors the level that the actual hero is on.

And if he would actually take on heralds on a constant base I think I would see full lists of characters and encounters instead of a handful of showings that favor him, considering that since the crisis he has a history of 20+ years with like 1-3 appareances each week to collect feats like that I persoanlly label these exceptions PIS.

Batman with prep is an entirely different thing though.

Originally posted by Juntai
Anyways I'm done ****ing around. Mom's birthday, taking her out for dinner. Peace out guys.
Have fun

Originally posted by Parmaniac
While I put Juntai into the top 3 most knowledgeable DC posters here I heavily disagree with his view on Batman.

If we take a look on his "low showings" and the high/low ratio I think we can throw away the thought of Batman being a herald.

Another thing is besides his place on teams that consists of very powerful beings his villain roster looks like this:

I think the villain gallery overall very well mirrors the level that the actual hero is on.

And if he would actually take on heralds on a constant base I think I would see full lists of characters and encounters instead of a handful of showings that favor him, considering that since the crisis he has a history of 20+ years with like 1-3 appareances each week to collect feats like that I persoanlly label these exceptions PIS.

Batman with prep is an entirely different thing though.

Have fun

I've been ****ing around. I said from the beginning I wasn't debating with them. Truth is, I do believe Batman beats Taskmaster and also Daredevil though. 🙂

WOW this thread got off topic.

How did we get onto a "whose PIS feats are more impressive" debate? Look, we know that some characters- Wolverine and Batman in particular- are NOTORIOUS for beating people out of their league. Fun as it is to read the spiderman vs. firelord stuff when it happens in the comics, it isn't really relevant here. Batman would and should get flattened by wonder woman, superman, aquaman, or a team of titans under any reasonable circumstances.

Unfortunately, reasonable circumstances are what we use here for forum debates.

Getting back to the Taskmaster vs. Batman fight- using "reasonable circumstances", standard equipment for both characters, and no significant prep, it's very difficult to see how bruce pulls out a win.

In terms of skill, Taskmaster is superior. It's not a matter of who knows more martial arts (though Taskmaster has the advantage here) but who can adapt and counter an opposing style most efficiently. Keep in mind bruce is fighting a guy that can master styles that take years to learn in minutes flat, and knows dozens (if not more) that bruce has never seen, and can't easily counter.

In terms of standard equipment, Taskmaster is more heavily armed (guns, arrows, darts, swords), with better defenses (shields and image inducers.) Taskmaster also has perfect control over his vital organs (heartbeat, breathing, etc), and can shift his mannerisms and voice at will. If he wants to disappear and play cat-and-mouse, tracking him without a sense of super smell will be virtually impossible.

In terms of strength, both are assumed to be at peak human. There's no reason to assume either is significantly stronger than the other. In terms of agility, taskmaster has physical feats (some of his own, some by proxy) that put him just a bit beyond Bruce- and in the unlikely event Batman has crazy reflexes that surpass spiderman/daredevil/bullseye/Captain America (again, HIGHLY unlikely) those reflexes get copied and countered in a matter of minutes.

And 😆 at the guy who says "batman fights dirtier." Tasky is a trained assassin-debatably marvel's best-and will not hesitate to permanently cripple or kill at a moment's notice. Batman is ALWAYS going to hold back from a fatal blow, and since bloodlust isn't on here, that's a mark against him.

A win by batman isn't impossible since it's his home turf, but without prep it's going to be damn hard. What exactly can bruce do that Tasky hasn't already seen before, or be able to adapt to in a matter of seconds?

Taskmaster 8 or 9/10 here, at least.

Yeah TaskMaster had a hard time against Finesse of the Avengers Academy. Like Echo.

Who is just another I can watch Bruce Lee movies and know everything about that skill.

TM may have good on hand weapons to deal with threats but Bruce has gadgets and the mastery of skills to bring him down.