Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Stormbreaker + Power Cosmic.
Uh huh? They would have to keep the fight at a high distance and even then...speed jumping with a thunderclap to follow to bypass that. Hell, it might ko them. Remember, Hulk thunderclap ripped through the dimensional barrier that Umar put up.
Bill nor Surfer isn't withstanding to many punches, especially punches that was melting Heralds from the shockwaves.
Originally posted by carver9
Uh huh? They would have to keep the fight at a high distance and even then...speed jumping with a thunderclap to follow to bypass that. Hell, it might ko them. Remember, Hulk thunderclap ripped through the dimensional barrier that Umar put up.Bill nor Surfer isn't withstanding to many punches, especially punches that was melting Heralds from the shockwaves.
You don't think that between Stormbreaker and the Power Cosmic, the two of them couldn't protect themselves from Hulk's energy output?
I think you need to take into account what they've done as well, not just focus on Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
..Then like I said before, a holding back Hulk wrecked the Mindless Ones, beings that Umar stated she couldn't handle, beings that Classic Strange and Dormammu struggled to defeat. Hulk took all of them on and mud raped them.
Can you at least once state a Hulk feat correctly Hulk and Umar were fighting the mindless Ones he pushed them back and she put up a shield.They were then contained
The second time they ran into them was when the shield was broken by Hulk thunder clapping Foom into it then Umar teleported them away.
Strange claimed Umar could not stop them alone but he also made the same claim about Hulk which he disagreed with but we never saw if he could.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
How do the team actually put Hulk down?
Teamwork
Superior firepower
Superior versatility
Superior defensive capabilities
Superior mobility
BFR capabilities
They have way too many advantages for Hulk to overcome, and they would literally have to fight down on Hulk's level in order to give him the chance to stomp all over them.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Teamwork
Superior firepower
Superior versatility
Superior defensive capabilities
Superior mobility
BFR capabilitiesThey have way too many advantages for Hulk to overcome, and they would literally have to fight down on Hulk's level in order to give him the chance to stomp all over them.
Pretty much.
Originally posted by carver9
Uh huh? They would have to keep the fight at a high distance and even then...speed jumping with a thunderclap to follow to bypass that. Hell, it might ko them. Remember, Hulk thunderclap ripped through the dimensional barrier that Umar put up.Bill nor Surfer isn't withstanding to many punches, especially punches that was melting Heralds from the shockwaves.
What in these two characters respective histories would suggest that they'd be ko'ed by a thunder clap? These are no run of the mill heralds. One is a ruthlessly efficient mid-high herald and the other is a damn trinity herald. Arguably the most powerful one at that.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Teamwork
Superior firepower
Superior versatility
Superior defensive capabilities
Superior mobility
BFR capabilitiesThey have way too many advantages for Hulk to overcome, and they would literally have to fight down on Hulk's level in order to give him the chance to stomp all over them.
1 punch from him would severely hurt either on the team and leave them vulnerable
Originally posted by dmills
What in these two characters respective histories would suggest that they'd be ko'ed by a thunder clap? These are no run of the mill heralds. One is a ruthlessly efficient mid-high herald and the other is a damn trinity herald. Arguably the most powerful one at that.
While I don't often I agree with Carver and I dont here about him taking them down with Thunderclaps he did put down a powered up Rulk with one and as Carver mentioned Knocked back Foom hard enough with one to brake a barrier Umar put up to stop an army of mindless ones.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
They have more abilities at their disposal obviously but this isn't Savage Hulk their fighting, WBH would literally walk through their conventional attacks so again how do the team actually kill Hulk at this level?1 punch from him would severely hurt either on the team and leave them vulnerable
Yeah, and those many abilities and advantages they have over Hulk trump Hulk just being really really strong.
Again, Surfer and Bill would have to let Hulk get the opportunity to punch them. And why would they do that when they can just play keep away and spam the hell out of him with their vastly powerful attacks?
Conversely, what can WBH do to them if they don't want to engage him directly up close and personal?
Originally posted by The Sorrow
They have more abilities at their disposal obviously but this isn't Savage Hulk their fighting, WBH would literally walk through their conventional attacks so again how do the team actually kill Hulk at this level?1 punch from him would severely hurt either on the team and leave them vulnerable
Too true.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, and those many abilities and advantages they have over Hulk trump Hulk just being really really strong.Again, Surfer and Bill would have to let Hulk get the opportunity to punch them. And why would they do that when they can just play keep away and spam the hell out of him with their vastly powerful attacks?
Conversely, what can WBH do to them if they don't want to engage him directly up close and personal?
They would have to protect themselves the entire fight while also trying to defend off Hulk. They would have to focus and absorb the gamma energy that is emitting from Hulk body (that melts Heralds) along with dodging super speed jumps and thunderclaps from Hulk. Now if you can show me both Surfer and Bill absorbing energy while attacking at the same time, their versatility means craps here since they will be struggling to survive from Hulk energy output alone.
Show me these scans of them doing both.
Originally posted by carver9
They would have to protect themselves the entire fight while also trying to defend off Hulk. They would have to focus and absorb the gamma energy that is emitting from Hulk body (that melts Heralds) along with dodging super speed jumps and thunderclaps from Hulk. Now if you can show me both Surfer and Bill absorbing energy while attacking at the same time, their versatility means craps here since they will be struggling to survive from Hulk energy output alone.Show me these scans of them doing both.
As soon as you show scans of the Hulk "speed jumping" while clapping his hands in the air and melting heralds with his gamma energy. All at the same time of course 🙂
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, and those many abilities and advantages they have over Hulk trump Hulk just being really really strong.Again, Surfer and Bill would have to let Hulk get the opportunity to punch them. And why would they do that when they can just play keep away and spam the hell out of him with their vastly powerful attacks?
Conversely, what can WBH do to them if they don't want to engage him directly up close and personal?
In character with no BFR they lose the majority here
Originally posted by The Sorrow
You would literally have to take them completely out of character for that scenario to happen. Nothing would stop them but if their attacks do little more than make Hulk angrier, which would be suicide, they would have to try something else and engage.In character with no BFR they lose the majority here
Not necessarily. There's a reason that we know these are two of the more versatile heralds out there. Surfer is only an idiot when he fights Thanos or Thor. Against the Hulk in particular he has a history of using his abilities rather then slugging it out against him.