Originally posted by CogitoOneshotted Magus to death with one attack by mistake.
Maybe someone can enlighten me, because it's possible I haven't read all the issues where Lord Mar-vell has appeared.Other than destroying Surfer's board (which Surfer easily repaired), and beating Nova Prime, what did he do that's impressive?
Originally posted by CogitoSurfer's a low mid herald ? I guess Magus working the gotg and faking out a cc user while at the same time altering the fault lines with his power and further weakening himself right before all this is totally mid herald. Weird.
A Magus whose only feat was fighting Nova.So the only basis of comparison essentially involves only low-mid heralds.
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Originally posted by Cogito
Maybe someone can enlighten me, because it's possible I haven't read all the issues where Lord Mar-vell has appeared.Other than destroying Surfer's board (which Surfer easily repaired), and beating Nova Prime, what did he do that's impressive?
Well, easily defeating two high heralds is impressive enough, especially if one of them is the Silver Surfer.
But he almost killed the entire Annihilators lineup when he exited with a Cthulhu like energy spell. Quasar had to take the collective energy of all the Annihilators + company in order to shield them from the blast.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer's a low mid herald ? I guess Magus working the gotg and faking out a cc user while at the same time altering the fault lines with his power and further weakening himself right before all this is totally mid herald. Weird.
Honestly I'm just trying to get my facts straight. I don't think I've read everything involved here.
And no, obviously I don't consider Surfer to be low-mid herald. His fight with Mar-vell lasted only a panel and involved his board getting broken and then Mar-vell moving on to fight Nova. I don't think we can extrapolate much at all from that.
As for Magus, the only combat feat I know of was his fighting with Nova - who isn't a top tier.
Just trying to separate facts from assumptions.
Originally posted by CogitoThen you need to reacquaint yourself because going by portrayal he was well beyond the Surfer.
Honestly I'm just trying to get my facts straight. I don't think I've read everything involved here.And no, obviously I don't consider Surfer to be low-mid herald. His fight with Mar-vell lasted only a panel and involved his board getting broken and then Mar-vell moving on to fight Nova. I don't think we can extrapolate much at all from that.
As for Magus, the only combat feat I know of was his fighting with Nova - who isn't a top tier.
Just trying to separate facts from assumptions.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you need to reacquaint yourself because going by portrayal he was well beyond the Surfer.
I'm not disputing the possibility.
But I'm also not convinced he's legit based on a fight that lasted a single page and didn't end. Honestly, that would be like drawing conclusions to Superman vs. Doomsday in DOS after this.
Originally posted by CogitoExcept we didn't see the Surfer nor Nova shrug anything he did off. Unlike the Superman/DD fight we didn't see Mar-vell challenged by anyone high herald level.
I'm not disputing the possibility.But I'm also not convinced he's legit based on a fight that lasted a single page and didn't end. Honestly, that would be like drawing conclusions to Superman vs. Doomsday in DOS after this.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Except we didn't see the Surfer nor Nova shrug anything he did off. Unlike the Superman/DD fight we didn't see Mar-vell challenged by anyone high herald level.
We didn't see a real fight between Mar-vell and a high herald, is my point. Oftentimes a hero gets pushed around before he comes out guns blazing.
Drawing conclusions from the very first interaction between Lord Mar-vell and Surfer (in which Surfer's board is destroyed) is akin to drawing conclusions from the very first interaction between Superman and Doomsday (where it looked like Doomsday punched like a girl).
If the had more time, or if Surfer were actually one shot, that would be a different story.
Originally posted by CogitoYou didn't read the comic so you really have no real understanding and are drawing false parallels.
We didn't see a real fight between Mar-vell and a high herald, is my point. Oftentimes a hero gets pushed around before he comes out guns blazing.Drawing conclusions from the very first interaction between Lord Mar-vell and Surfer (in which Surfer's board is destroyed) is akin to drawing conclusions from the very first interaction between Superman and Doomsday (where it looked like Doomsday punched like a girl).
If the had more time, or if Surfer were actually one shot, that would be a different story.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't read the comic so you really have no real understanding and are drawing false parallels.
I did read TI.
Look, you keep thinking I'm challenging you. I'm just trying to gather facts.
We don't know what level Lord Mar-vell is at because he wasn't ever challenged, and he never had a legitimate fight with any top tier.
Originally posted by CogitoHe was challenged by Thanos. Anyone else lower wasn't close to even garnering his attention and the Magus kill was a mistake. That's power.
I did read TI.Look, you keep thinking I'm challenging you. I'm just trying to gather facts.
We don't know what level Lord Mar-vell is at because he wasn't ever challenged, and he never had a legitimate fight with any top tier.
