Blood and Thunder Thor (Minus the Power Gem) and Lord Mar-Vell are on the same level of power I'd say. From what I remember, Lord Mar-Vell would annihilate a Herald (Based on the Magus showing because the Surfer/Nova fight was a bit underwhelming imo) but would get edged out by Thanos. By the time Thor picked up the Infinity Gem, I'd say no one short of Thanos had a chance of stopping him.
I know this isn't a popular idea (Mostly because it makes Surfer look like utter shit) but I've never considered Thanos to have a large edge in power over Thor and such. An all out or high end Superman/Thor taking down Thanos is a very real possibility.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Blood and Thunder Thor (Minus the Power Gem) and Lord Mar-Vell are on the same level of power I'd say. From what I remember, Lord Mar-Vell would annihilate a Herald (Based on the Magus showing because the Surfer/Nova fight was a bit underwhelming imo) but would get edged out by Thanos. By the time Thor picked up the Infinity Gem, I'd say no one short of Thanos had a chance of stopping him.I know this isn't a popular idea (Mostly because it makes Surfer look like utter shit) but I've never considered Thanos to have a large edge in power over Thor and such. An all out or high end Superman/Thor taking down Thanos is a very real possibility.
Holy shyte! Your balls are the size of grapefruits my friend lol!
Originally posted by Cogito
Yes..and no...I see where Quan is getting the unintentional thing. Mar-vell said "A universe where things can still die. That will take some time getting used to."
It's a vague statement. It could imply that he forgot that his attack would kill (rather than inflict pain, which may have been his intention), or it could just be something he said after intentionally killing him. Either way, we'll never know.
Originally posted by quanchi112well, those guys fear him cause he obviously doesn't hold back his anger, and yes, in his universe he can do whatever he feels like and the guy will just come back, killing force is irrelevant. i think he just meant that he can't lash out and kill his men there like he could back home from that point farward, but he did mean to "destroy" magus.
You need to read the dialogue where he states a universe where thing can still die. The blast was intentional but someone dying from this blast he wasn't expecting due to death being wiped out in his own universe.
simply put: he shouldn't rage kill in 616 anymore
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBased on absolutely nothing and even Thor at his highest showing ever with the aid of a power gem only caused a nosebleed from Thanos despite the power gem making him unable to be put down physically. That absolutely kills your case because his absolute greatest showing he fell short of even seriously harming Thanos.
Blood and Thunder Thor (Minus the Power Gem) and Lord Mar-Vell are on the same level of power I'd say. From what I remember, Lord Mar-Vell would annihilate a Herald (Based on the Magus showing because the Surfer/Nova fight was a bit underwhelming imo) but would get edged out by Thanos. By the time Thor picked up the Infinity Gem, I'd say no one short of Thanos had a chance of stopping him.I know this isn't a popular idea (Mostly because it makes Surfer look like utter shit) but I've never considered Thanos to have a large edge in power over Thor and such. An all out or high end Superman/Thor taking down Thanos is a very real possibility.
Thor just recently was unable to even seriously hurt the Surfer and Odin didn't even oneshot him so downplaying Mar-vell when he didn't even treat the Surfer as a true threat while Thor who was out for blood and yet failed to even really hurt the Surfer destroys your case.
Surfer and Thor are peers Thanos looks down at them just as Mar-vell does. Superman is in the same league as Surfer and Thor not these two mighty mammoths.
Told you. Classic Quan.
A few clarifications, even I can't ignore everything:
- Blood and Thunder wasn't Thor's highest showing, he just operated more consistently at a level of power he's displayed before. He's operated above even Herald wrecking power. Nothing new.
- Thor vs. Surfer has -hopefully- not yet concluded and Thor is weakened. I guess Drax vs. Thanos counts.
- Odin never even struck Surfer. He grabbed him by his neck and tossed him.
- For the last time, the Power Gem (At that point at least) doesn't mean you can't be knocked out. Thor did it to Drax in that same arc.
Here are my thoughts on Lord Mar-vell. It's very tricky placing a guy like him based on a few quick showings. However, going by averages, not even an elite top tier is doing what he did to Magus, Nova and Norrin. Not a chance. But the flip side to that is that Nova and crew (as Norrin alluded to after the fight) had no clue what they were getting into with him and it could be argued that the Magus got caught off guard (weak sauce argument yes, but still plausible).
Sticking to Nova and Surfer for a second, neither were shown at their best. Surfer basically just flew in and grabbed Mar-vell, and Richard, as we saw in issue 6, has another gear that he can go to altogether. So one has to wonder how a rematch between the three would play out.
Conjecture aside though, dude is above heralds.
Originally posted by dmillsYou gotta agree easily overpowering the Worldminds mental defences was impressive and destroying Thanos ship with a simple twitch of his fingers is pretty good aswell.
Here are my thoughts on Lord Mar-vell. It's very tricky placing a guy like him based on a few quick showings. However, going by averages, not even an elite top tier is doing what he did to Magus, Nova and Norrin. Not a chance. But the flip side to that is that the Nova and crew had no clue what they were getting into with him and it could be argued that the Magus got caught off guard (weak sauce argument yes, but still plausible).Sticking to Nova and Surfer for a second, neither were shown at their best. Surfer basically just flew in and grabbed Mar-vell, and Richard, as we saw in issue 6, has another gear that he can go to altogether. So one has to wonder how a rematch between the three would play out.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusGive me Thor's highest showing in terms of formidability than Blood and Thunder because that's as high as he's ever went and it still wasn't good enough.
Told you. Classic Quan.A few clarifications, even I can't ignore everything:
- Blood and Thunder wasn't Thor's highest showing, he just operated more consistently at a level of power he's displayed before. He's operated above even Herald wrecking power. Nothing new.
- Thor vs. Surfer has -hopefully- not yet concluded and Thor is weakened. I guess Drax vs. Thanos counts.
- Odin never even struck Surfer. He grabbed him by his neck and tossed him.
- For the last time, the Power Gem (At that point at least) doesn't mean you can't be knocked out. Thor did it to Drax in that same arc.
Give some examples, that rival dominating the Surfer and warlock or Ares and Pluto to make me feel otherwise.
Thor isn't fighting with it slowing him down nor is he using it as an excuse he's a peer to the Surfer and always has been outside of blood and thunder. Try to actually be objective for once.
That's attacking the Surfer whereas Mar-vell really didn't lay into him either just his board which was completely destroyed.
Originally posted by StoicThor used the power gem prior to the Thanos fight. Do you ever read these comics ? Thanos is also more powerful than when he fought Thor. Please try and actually read up from time to time so I don't need to point out the obvious flaws in your reasoning.
Assuming that B&T Thor wasn't actualy in control of the Power Gem during most of his fight with Thanos, I would say that he has a good chance of winning this fight. Thanos seemed to have a far easier time restraining Mar-Vell, than he did with Thor.
Originally posted by Nihilist
You gotta agree easily overpowering the Worldminds mental defences was impressive and destroying Thanos ship with a simple twitch of his fingers is pretty good aswell.
No doubt. He did things with ease that most heralds would work have to work very hard for. In a nutshell that's why I say he's above them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Give me Thor's highest showing in terms of formidability than Blood and Thunder because that's as high as he's ever went and it still wasn't good enough.Give some examples, that rival dominating the Surfer and warlock or Ares and Pluto to make me feel otherwise.
Thor isn't fighting with it slowing him down nor is he using it as an excuse he's a peer to the Surfer and always has been outside of blood and thunder. Try to actually be objective for once.
That's attacking the Surfer whereas Mar-vell really didn't lay into him either just his board which was completely destroyed.
There are at least a few such instances such as when he's fought Surtur, Odin, Glory or what have you. He was operating on a higher end level more consistently but that wasn't his peak.
"He possesses more strength than I could ever know."
Thor isn't being slowed down because he's extremely tough. That doesn't take away from his condition. He's still gravely wounded, I'm guessing Loki will have to save his life because he'll be on death's door soon. Thanos vs. Drax is valid I guess.
Are you comparing a blast to a toss?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNeither of those are instances since he wasn't close to harming either Surtur or Odin. Glory he prayed for help against and the comic was mostly unsupportable hyperbole. Thor was downing characters he'd otherwise be in a fight against just one on one which leads me to believe it's his best arc ever.
There are at least a few such instances such as when he's fought Surtur, Odin, Glory or what have you. He was operating on a higher end level more consistently but that wasn't his peak."He possesses more strength than I could ever know."
Thor isn't being slowed down because he's extremely tough. That doesn't take away from his condition. He's still gravely wounded, I'm guessing Loki will have to save his life because he'll be on death's door soon. Thanos vs. Drax is valid I guess.
Are you comparing a blast to a toss?
Strength doesn't have to be taken literally and we see Thor can't best him with his strength anyways so I laugh at thee.
Do you think Thor without this injury can dominate the Surfer ? Thanos was beaten by Drax while weakened and via plot device outside Drax's own powers which negate Thanos'. Context. Thor also ha dbattle armor on which obviously helps him against the Surfer.
Did the blast hit the Surfer ? Did Odin toss Surfer or his board ? If someone destroys my surfboard does it hurt me more or less than if someone physically tosses me ? This is soooooooo easy.
Thor has also contained a blast that would have destroyed an entire universe, so while Mar-Vells feats were impressive, some people should remember some of Thor's as well.
@ Quanchi, tell me what book it was that Thor used the Power Gem in because i don't recall it ever stating that he was in full control of the gem. Furthermore, Thor could not have even known how to use the PG when he couldn't spell his own name, and resembled a rabid animal. As far as anyone can tell as I mentioned several times, Thanos may have been battling a Thor that simply had no inhibitions to killing.
Thanos was given new abilities, it was never shown that he was leaps and bounds above what he was shown to be in the mid to late 90s. If so could you tell me what book it was that stated his enormous increase of power, and not that he was given new abilities, such as being barred from death, and that his touch can kill the undead?
Saying that he was exponentially more powerful than ever in my opinion is false. That would mean that because Lobo can not die that he is somehow more powerful, or because Drax has the power to kill Thanos, that he is more than he really is.
Originally posted by StoicThor has more impressive feats he'd been in over a thousand comics compared to Marvell's what 7. Thor used the power gem on panel showing he did know exactly what to do with the power gem. saying he acted like a rabid animal is completely untrue when reading the arc. He simply was impulsive and without restraint and wanted to kill everyone in his path to Odin. You really didn't even read the arc as your points are explicitly shown to be false.
Thor has also contained a blast that would have destroyed an entire universe, so while Mar-Vells feats were impressive, some people should remember some of Thor's as well.@ Quanchi, tell me what book it was that Thor used the Power Gem in because i don't recall it ever stating that he was in full control of the gem. Furthermore, Thor could not have even known how to use the PG when he couldn't spell his own name, and resembled a rabid animal. As far as anyone can tell as I mentioned several times, Thanos may have been battling a Thor that simply had no inhibitions to killing.
Thanos was given new abilities, it was never shown that he was leaps and bounds above what he was shown to be in the mid to late 90s. If so could you tell me what book it was that stated his enormous increase of power, and not that he was given new abilities, such as being barred from death, and that his touch can kill the undead?
Saying that he was exponentially more powerful than ever in my opinion is false. That would mean that because Lobo can not die that he is somehow more powerful, or because Drax has the power to kill Thanos, that he is more than he really is.
So Thanos was always immune to death ? 😂 You didn't even read this comic either. You say just random things hoping someone will believe you. Thanos' power changed unless you think being immune to death and being able to cause death to unkillables in a universe where death has been destroyed.
Thanos mopped the floor with someone well above elite top tier. When else has Thanos ever done so prior to ? If you need time to actually look at these comics take all the time you need.