Originally posted by quanchi112
Neither of those are instances since he wasn't close to harming either Surtur or Odin. Glory he prayed for help against and the comic was mostly unsupportable hyperbole. Thor was downing characters he'd otherwise be in a fight against just one on one which leads me to believe it's his best arc ever.
Quan, why are you lying to me about Thor? There's no point.
If you didn't bother reading the comics, then ask for scans or simply drop it. You're wrong on all three accounts. If you really want me to, I'll post scans.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Strength doesn't have to be taken literally and we see Thor can't best him with his strength anyways so I laugh at thee.
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I wonder if you actually believe that.
"You possess more strength than I could ever know"
"His hammer is truly mightier than my Power Cosmic."
Clearly Surfer was on Thor's level.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you think Thor without this injury can dominate the Surfer ? Thanos was beaten by Drax while weakened and via plot device outside Drax's own powers which negate Thanos'. Context. Thor also ha dbattle armor on which obviously helps him against the Surfer.
History says it's within his capabilities.
Context? Drax killed Thanos with an Anti-Matter grenade. Anyways, I guess Thanos vs. Drax is valid just like Surfer vs. a severely injured Thor is valid.
Why do you say things that you can't support? It's not an occasional thing but like the norm with you. The battle armor provided protection from space and flight capabilities. That's all. I do find it hilarious though that a Thanos fan is using technology to downplay a character.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Did the blast hit the Surfer ? Did Odin toss Surfer or his board ? If someone destroys my surfboard does it hurt me more or less than if someone physically tosses me ? This is soooooooo easy.
I know you're being your usual stubborn self but I'm not wasting my time with this any longer. Lord Mar-Vell attacked Surfer with a blast which knocked him off his feet:
Odin grabbed Surfer and specifically didn't want him to be put down:
That doesn't indicate inferiority.
I'm not debating this matter further. You want to continue, I'll battle zone you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has more impressive feats he'd been in over a thousand comics compared to Marvell's what 7. Thor used the power gem on panel showing he did know exactly what to do with the power gem. saying he acted like a rabid animal is completely untrue when reading the arc. He simply was impulsive and without restraint and wanted to kill everyone in his path to Odin. You really didn't even read the arc as your points are explicitly shown to be false.So Thanos was always immune to death ? 😂 You didn't even read this comic either. You say just random things hoping someone will believe you. Thanos' power changed unless you think being immune to death and being able to cause death to unkillables in a universe where death has been destroyed.
Thanos mopped the floor with someone well above elite top tier. When else has Thanos ever done so prior to ? If you need time to actually look at these comics take all the time you need.
Issue numbers helps, pointing fingers to make yourself feel somehow superior doesn't.
My point if you decide to take your head out of the dirt, was how did the new abilities that Thanos was given equate to him receiving an amplification in terms of physical power, and damage yield? Prove it, and if you can't don't say or try to mislead others.
You were and may still be under the impression that IT Thanos would be able to defeat Odin, or Galactus, and yet there is nothing to support such a wild assumption.
This of course is about Thor vs Mar-Vell, and as I stated earlier, The Power Gem must be learned of its uses, which has been written time and time again. Thanos lovers just want to believe that Thanos was able to take a beating from a PG wielder, and that would have been true, if he were able to slug it out sans shields with the champion, and we all saw that he wasn't.
Originally posted by zopzop
@StoicBut Thor was tapping the Power Gem, it said so on panel. So Thanos was taking a beating from a Power Gem user (an enraged one at that).
How much was Thor drawing from the Gem though? When did Thor begin tap into it? Was Thor tapping the Gem before or after being placed in a force block? Details are what I'm getting at.
Originally posted by Stoic
How much was Thor drawing from the Gem though? When did Thor begin tap into it? Was Thor tapping the Gem before or after being placed in a force block? Details are what I'm getting at.
Oh WAAAAY before the power block incident. Remember the Moondragon mind rape attempt? And the Dr. Strange/Warlock tag team fiasco? He was tapping the Gem and it was mentioned on panel.
Originally posted by zopzopYou cant be serious about him can you? you guy is bias as hell, lacks any knowledge about characters he's debating against and tries to use the same feats over and over again despite them being debunked.
Nah, Stoic is one of the cooler posters on the forum. I'll try to find the scan to prove it to him. But at worst, we'll just agree to disagree. 😛
Originally posted by zopzop
Nah, Stoic is one of the cooler posters on the forum. I'll try to find the scan to prove it to him. But at worst, we'll just agree to disagree. 😛
Hey I read the fight that Thor had with Thanos, I may have forgotten the finer details, but didn't it say that Thor's power was increasing after Thanos placed him in a force block?
this comes down to who is more powerful as well.
Is Odin more powerful than Galactus, who is less powerful than a Gem wielder, that knows how to use it? Odin broke out of Thanos' block of force easily, while Thor was rendered nearly helpless. So how much could he have been tapping of the PG? You see my point?
Originally posted by Stoic
Is Odin more powerful than Galactus, who is less powerful than a Gem wielder, that knows how to use it? Odin broke out of Thanos' block of force easily, while Thor was rendered nearly helpless. So how much could he have been tapping of the PG? You see my point?
I chalk that up to comic book inconsistency.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI'm not asking for scans I wanted examples and the ones you gave me don't add up. Thor has never been a threat to Odin or Surtur just like Loki hasn't been either despite Simon's battle between the two iirc.
Quan, why are you lying to me about Thor? There's no point.If you didn't bother reading the comics, then ask for scans or simply drop it. You're wrong on all three accounts. If you really want me to, I'll post scans.
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I wonder if you actually believe that.
"You possess more strength than I could ever know"
"His hammer is truly mightier than my Power Cosmic."
Clearly Surfer was on Thor's level.
History says it's within his capabilities.
Context? Drax killed Thanos with an Anti-Matter grenade. Anyways, I guess Thanos vs. Drax is valid just like Surfer vs. a severely injured Thor is valid.
Why do you say things that you can't support? It's not an occasional thing but like the norm with you. The battle armor provided protection from space and flight capabilities. That's all. I do find it hilarious though that a Thanos fan is using technology to downplay a character.
I know you're being your usual stubborn self but I'm not wasting my time with this any longer. Lord Mar-Vell attacked Surfer with a blast which knocked him off his feet:
Odin grabbed Surfer and specifically didn't want him to be put down:
That doesn't indicate inferiority.
I'm not debating this matter further. You want to continue, I'll battle zone you.
Strength isn't always the physical kind and Thor's a much grittier warrior than the Surfer ever has been so on that level it makes sense.
Thor is more powerful than the Surfer but not more formidable. I would also rather have the pc as opposed to Thor's abilities in a heartbeat.
An anti matter grenade isn't his power it's a plot device just like no one is going to use Iron Man's satellite beam depowering Wb Hulk as something he can do on his own outside that plot device in that story. Do you even understand my points or do you just want to repeat yourself which is something you're known for.
Thanos has always used tech Thor doesn't. Thor needing a battle suit to aid him against Galactus and the Surfer is completely outside his standard gear. Do you understand ? Is Thor's belt of strength considered standard gear ?
So you won't answer the question and concede as usual. Mar-vell is simply more than the Surfer unlike Thor. I agree Odin and mar-vell are both superior to Thor and the Surfer it's obvious. Thor was also put down momentarily by Bill in his own arc showing he isn't beyond elite top tier.
I just did another battlezone not too long ago which makes 3. I don't have the time or the energy to battlezone you newcomers to it just because you don't have the stomach to carry it over here.
Originally posted by StoicIssue numbers ? These are two small arcs if you don't know what occurred in two very short arcs you shouldn't be in the debate.
Issue numbers helps, pointing fingers to make yourself feel somehow superior doesn't.My point if you decide to take your head out of the dirt, was how did the new abilities that Thanos was given equate to him receiving an amplification in terms of physical power, and damage yield? Prove it, and if you can't don't say or try to mislead others.
You were and may still be under the impression that IT Thanos would be able to defeat Odin, or Galactus, and yet there is nothing to support such a wild assumption.
This of course is about Thor vs Mar-Vell, and as I stated earlier, The Power Gem must be learned of its uses, which has been written time and time again. Thanos lovers just want to believe that Thanos was able to take a beating from a PG wielder, and that would have been true, if he were able to slug it out sans shields with the champion, and we all saw that he wasn't.
Give me an example of him easily dominating an above elite top tier character in the same vein as Mar-vell. Acting like he's always been immune to death and still claiming he received no new powers is lying.
Thor used the gem to actively repel attacks in the issue prior to Thanos. Read the issue I hate arguing with someone who simply doesn't know any better. You keep repeating yourself while others have even stated he actively used it. Come on, stoic.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm not asking for scans I wanted examples and the ones you gave me don't add up. Thor has never been a threat to Odin or Surtur just like Loki hasn't been either despite Simon's battle between the two iirc.
Yes they do. Making baseless claims doesn't mean they don't count. Claiming Thor was never a threat and couldn't hurt Odin/Surtur is a blatant lie. Thor also never prayed while fighting Glory -he couldn't- and took him on solo. For the record, Glory was compared to Zeus taking all of the Olympians and becoming one in regards to power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Strength isn't always the physical kind and Thor's a much grittier warrior than the Surfer ever has been so on that level it makes sense.
Surfer made the statement while Thor effortlessly shattered a cosmic barrier.
I'm not going to waste any more time here. Once again, if you want to continue this discussion I'll battle zone you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor is more powerful than the Surfer but not more formidable. I would also rather have the pc as opposed to Thor's abilities in a heartbeat.
That's no argument and I don' care.
Originally posted by quanchi112
An anti matter grenade isn't his power it's a plot device just like no one is going to use Iron Man's satellite beam depowering Wb Hulk as something he can do on his own outside that plot device in that story. Do you even understand my points or do you just want to repeat yourself which is something you're known for.Thanos has always used tech Thor doesn't. Thor needing a battle suit to aid him against Galactus and the Surfer is completely outside his standard gear. Do you understand ? Is Thor's belt of strength considered standard gear ?
If you attempt to ignore Thor being injured, I'll ignore Thanos being weakened. Which makes the showing valid for Thanos vs. threads. Stay consistent.
So what? That doesn't detract from the irony.
I understand that it's not standard gear but you claimed it obviously helped him against Surfer. I want to know why you'd even make such a claim as the only think those suits do is provide flight and protection from space which is something Thor showed to posses by his lonesome.
Don't make baseless claims.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you won't answer the question and concede as usual. Mar-vell is simply more than the Surfer unlike Thor. I agree Odin and mar-vell are both superior to Thor and the Surfer it's obvious. Thor was also put down momentarily by Bill in his own arc showing he isn't beyond elite top tier.
What question do you want me to answer? I must have missed it.
Mar-Vell isn't superior to Thor. At least not this Thor.
Skill and sufficient power could put Thor down. At least at that point but by the time he was wrecking the Infinity Watch, no one short of Thanos had a chance to put him down straight up. No, not even Bill. Herald level attacks just seemed to be annoyances at that point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I just did another battlezone not too long ago which makes 3. I don't have the time or the energy to battlezone you newcomers to it just because you don't have the stomach to carry it over here.
Whatever you say. Concession accepted.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Issue numbers ? These are two small arcs if you don't know what occurred in two very short arcs you shouldn't be in the debate.Give me an example of him easily dominating an above elite top tier character in the same vein as Mar-vell. Acting like he's always been immune to death and still claiming he received no new powers is lying.
Thor used the gem to actively repel attacks in the issue prior to Thanos. Read the issue I hate arguing with someone who simply doesn't know any better. You keep repeating yourself while others have even stated he actively used it. Come on, stoic.
Nice dodge. You didn't answer my post, but nice dodge.
