Originally posted by RobtardYes, and to finally defeat the Balrog after all previous attempts had failed he obviously tried another tactic which worked. If you want to ignore Saruman and Gandalf showing power over the weather by all means you have ignored everything else up to this point.
They fought for several days and then two days upon the mountain. So there goes that argument.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and to finally defeat the Balrog after all previous attempts had failed he obviously tried another tactic which worked. Saruman and Gandalf showing power over the weather by all means you have ignored everything else up to this point.
So he wore himself unto death by swatting it with a sword over and over until he finally said "oh well, that's not working, let me conjure a storm and bring down lightning?" Yeah, that makes no sense.
If you want to ignore that Gandalf the Grey was not as powerful as Sarumon, by all means, you have ignored everything else up to this point.
Originally posted by RobtardYes, since he's shown weather manipulation as has his rival before. I guess you need Gandalf to say, That does it Balrog I am summoning a storm to charge my blade. Oh and if you think Balrog I just so happened to be lucky to fight you on a rainy day think again.
So he wore himself unto death by swatting it with a sword over and over until he finally said "oh well, that's not working, let me conjure a storm and bring down lightning?" Yeah, that makes no sense.If you want to ignore that Gandalf the Grey was not as powerful as Sarumon, by all means, you have ignored everything else up to this point.
Not as powerful or formidable doesn't mean he lacked the abilities Saruman did which was creating a storm.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, since he's shown weather manipulation as has his rival before. I guess you need Gandalf to say, That does it Balrog I am summoning a storm to charge my blade. Oh and if you think Balrog I just so happened to be lucky to fight you on a rainy day think again.Not as powerful or formidable doesn't mean he lacked the abilities Saruman did which was creating a storm.
You mean when Sarumon created a snow-storm that forced Gandalf to turn back and take the Moir path? When has Gandalf the Grey done this like Sarumon?
Except he didn't. Deal with it; it's okay. If he could have at the drop of a hat, he would have destroyed the Balrog with lightning when they fled back to the outside instead of wearing himself to death.
Originally posted by RobtardI guess since we know their powers directly mimic each other and despite a storm conveniently being used to power a gandalf strike into a Balrog it isn't good enough. You keep saying how great LOTR is but try so hard to discredit the feats they do have/
You mean when Sarumon created a snow-storm that forced Gandalf to turn back and take the Moir path? When has Gandalf the Grey done this like Sarumon?Except he didn't. Deal with it; it's okay. If he could have at the drop of a hat, he would have destroyed the Balrog with lightning when they fled back to the outside instead of wearing himself to death.
It's a movie they make things epic and drawn out how epic would it be to have him summon lightning and oneshot him ? Also he wasn't out in the open he had to wait until he was.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I guess since we know their powers directly mimic each other and despite a storm conveniently being used to power a gandalf strike into a Balrog it isn't good enough.You keep saying how great LOTR is but try so hard to discredit the feats they do have/
It's a movie they make things epic and drawn out how epic would it be to have him summon lightning and oneshot him ? Also he wasn't out in the open he had to wait until he was.
Except as pointed out, he swatted at the Balrog for days, do you really think he's so stupid he didn't realize he couldn't destroy it with a sword after day one, maybe two?
LoTR is one of my favorite trilogies, my loving it doesn't interfere with my objectivity in here though. This is your baggage.
He fought on the side of the mountain (out side) for two days.
Originally posted by RobtardWhen he saw the opening for it he did so. Sometimes despite their powers Gandalf just shows up and swings his staff at people despite being far more formidable than just doing so.
Except as pointed out, he swatted at the Balrog for days, do you really think he's so stupid he didn't realize he couldn't destroy it with a sword after day one, maybe two?LoTR is one of my favorite trilogies, my loving it doesn't interfere with my objectivity in here though. This is your baggage.
He fought on the side of the mountain (out side) for two days.
And when he needed to charge his staff he did so.
Originally posted by Robtard
Except as pointed out, he swatted at the Balrog for days, do you really think he's so stupid he didn't realize he couldn't destroy it with a sword after day one, maybe two?LoTR is one of my favorite trilogies, my loving it doesn't interfere with my objectivity in here though. This is your baggage.
He fought on the side of the mountain (out side) for two days.
If it takes an Istari battling from the "lowest dungeon to the highest peak", and fighting days outside, chances are Durin's Bane can't be killed by just one 'Lightning Blade' or similarly effective potent magical attacks. It's much more logical to assume that Gandalf probably hit the Balrog with multiple 'Lightning Blades' and other spells before Durin's Bane finally fell.
And it's somewhat funny how Gandalf, at 4:50, "knows" that lightning will be appearing right before him that instant (even though average lightning moves at around 220,000 km/hr, or 3,700 miles per second), and raises his sword to channel its power. It's even more funny considering he's engaged against a "demon of the ancient world" that he has time to scan the clouds for indications of electrical discharge.
Y'know, before y'all completely dismiss Quanchi, he might actually be making a point in that Gandalf could have conjured that lightning to hit his blade, and by extension, likely conjured that lightning-abundant storm (since Istari have control over weather and elements). Makes sense, in a way, that Gandalf would use water to hinder the abilities of a being of fire.
Just sayin...
Istari were not sent to contest Sauron by force, even though they had Maiar powers.
Yet, Gandalf the Grey, forced to go all-out against the Balrog, probably conjured that storm, and even if it may not take seconds to produce, I'm sure any singular lightning attack he would fire against T-800 would be quite potent (if he went all-out and invoked his internal Maiar abilities, like how he did against Durin's Bane).
Originally posted by Korto Vos
If it takes an Istari battling from the "lowest dungeon to the highest peak", and fighting days outside, chances are Durin's Bane can't be killed by just one 'Lightning Blade' or similarly effective potent magical attacks. It's much more logical to assume that Gandalf probably hit the Balrog with multiple 'Lightning Blades' and other spells before Durin's Bane finally fell.And it's somewhat funny how Gandalf, at 4:50, "knows" that lightning will be appearing right before him that instant (even though average lightning moves at around 220,000 km/hr, or 3,700 miles per second), and raises his sword to channel its power. It's even more funny considering he's engaged against a "demon of the ancient world" that he has time to scan the clouds for indications of electrical discharge.
Y'know, before y'all completely dismiss Quanchi, he might actually be making a point in that Gandalf could have conjured that lightning to hit his blade, and by extension, likely conjured that lightning-abundant storm (since Istari have control over weather and elements). Makes sense, in a way, that Gandalf would use water to hinder the abilities of a being of fire.
Just sayin...
The lightning wasn't the issue, as you see him call it down. Whether he made the storm that produced the lightning was. ie can he call lightning any time out of the blue or only when there's a storm above already brewing. See?
Originally posted by NephthysThe Balrog's size alone, and the fact that its movements were crumbling the inside of the cavern, proves it is physically stronger than the T-800.
Well he obviously has some control over it.In fact he does the same thing in The Hobbit to kill some goblins.
That doesn't mean he can easily conjure a storm in seconds and take out the T-800 before it unscrews his head.
Gandalf physically kills the T-800. He needs no magic.
Originally posted by RobtardYou need to prove it and while you're at it prove Saruman possesses abilities Gandalf doesn't even though we see him do the same thing.
The lightning wasn't the issue, as you see him call it down. Whether he made the storm that produced the lightning was. ie can he call lightning any time out of the blue or only when there's a storm above already brewing. See?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You need to prove it and while you're at it prove Saruman possesses abilities Gandalf doesn't even though we see him do the same thing.
There's as much proof for Gandalf (the Grey) making the storm/lightning as there is for the storm happening when it did and Gandalf using his abilities to capitalize on it. You're just going to have to accept this.
Not even sure why you're so hard up on lightning taking down a T-800, it's powered by a nuclear device powerful enough to make a small mushroom cloud and it's designed for battle, so I doubt some lighting will shut it down.