Originally posted by Robtard
The lightning wasn't the issue, as you see him call it down. Whether he made the storm that produced the lightning was. ie can he call lightning any time out of the blue or only when there's a storm above already brewing. See?
In The Hobbit, Gandalf the Grey conjures lightning to drive away goblins. I don't recall there being a storm overhead
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And Gandalf is an Istari- he is magical in essence.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
In The Hobbit, Gandalf the Grey conjures lightning to drive away goblins. I don't recall there being a storm overhead------------------------------------------------------------
And Gandalf is an Istari- he is magical in essence.
Then you aren't recalling hard enough. They were only attacked because they'd taken shelter from a raging storm in a cave.
I'll do you one better.
Its around the 45 minute mark.
Edit: In fact it was more than a storm, it was a thunderstorm. And it was more than a thunderstorm, it was a thunderbattle!
Wait...wait
This is the excerpt:
"Out jumped the goblins, big goblins, great ugly-looking goblins, lots of goblins, before you can say rocks and blocks. There were six to each dwarf, at least, and two even for Bilbo; and they were all grabbed and carried through the crack, before you can say tinder and flint. But not Gandalf. Bilbo's yell had done that much good. It had wakened him up wide in a splintered second,and when goblins came to grab him, there was a terrible flash like lightning in the cave, a smell like gunpowder, and several of them fell dead."
If I'm reading this correctly, the party is INSIDE the cave when the goblins ambushed them. Hence, Gandalf wasn't exposed to that "thunderbattle" outside.
He just conjured a magical blast that flashed liked lightning and incinerated those goblins.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Or he was actually in the cave, and just aimed a lightning blast.
If Gandalf could do lightning blasts whenever he wants then why does he bother with a sword? He's never shown that ability before or replicated it outside of this ambiguous scene.
(unless you mean that he aimed a lightning blast so that it went into teh cave and struck teh goblins, which is what I'm saying.)
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you feel Gandalf was just using his superhuman strength and not magic which is how we see him fend off Balrog's attacks. I guess you think that was completely unnecessary and gandalf just showing off.
Your question doesn't make much sense; can you please reword it so it's a coherent question? ie what do you think I think is "unnecessary"?
Originally posted by Korto Vos
In The Hobbit, Gandalf the Grey conjures lightning to drive away goblins. I don't recall there being a storm overhead------------------------------------------------------------
And Gandalf is an Istari- he is magical in essence.
Books in the MVF fail, just an FYI.
But hey, first part of The Hobbit comes out next year, so not only is that epically good news, you may have a MVF-point then.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If Gandalf could do lightning blasts whenever he wants then why does he bother with a sword? He's never shown that ability before or replicated it outside of this ambiguous scene.(unless you mean that he aimed a lightning blast so that it went into teh cave and struck teh goblins, which is what I'm saying.)
In fact, I listened to that portion again, and there's NOTHING saying Gandalf was standing at the entrance. It's quite clearly stated that the company was sleeping well inside the cave when the goblins ambushed them. And when they tried to apprehend Gandalf, he incinerated them.
As I stated earlier, Gandalf's sole purpose on Middle-Earth was to contest Sauron, and he was prohibited to demonstrate the full range of his demigod powers.
Books in the MVF fail, just an FYI.But hey, first part of The Hobbit comes out next year, so not only is that epically good news, you may have a MVF-point then.
Yes, you don't need to point out the obvious to me. I'm well aware of what I said, and why I mentioned the book.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If Gandalf could do lightning blasts whenever he wants then why does he bother with a sword? He's never shown that ability before or replicated it outside of this ambiguous scene.(unless you mean that he aimed a lightning blast so that it went into teh cave and struck teh goblins, which is what I'm saying.)
Gandalf almost never uses the full breadth of his power obviously. He always seemed to be rather wary to use magic and would only do so if the circumstances called for it. In fact, he, along with the rest of the Istari, was banned by the Valar from directly facing Sauron and his minions with his full power.
Originally posted by RobtardDo you think Gandalf using magic against the Balrog before they both fell to ward off his attacks with magic was all for show ? You seem to think on strength alone now he can do so making that show of magic to be unnecessary.
Your question doesn't make much sense; can you please reword it so it's a coherent question? ie what do you think I think is "unnecessary"?