His son would kill him because he has the training, unless McJr. wasn't a soldier (but he has to be to be a CIA operative).
Van would pwn McClane's entire family. Quinn was more badass than McClane. That's right I said it. Quinn took Van Zan's beating because he's tougher and more determined than Mcclane could ever be. Quinn pwns dragons, and dragons>>>helicopters, as Reign Of Fire proved, so McClane, even taking down a helicopter at his best, is unimpressive in comparison to Quinn. Thus Quinn is more badass than McClane and took Zan's beating like a badass because of that. Any lesser man would he been instantly WTFpwned by that beating, including McClane.
Zan>>>McClane, as proven. Zan, by virtue of being an expert dragon hunter, is eons more badass than McClane. As stated, dragons>>>>anything McClane's taken on, including helicopters. Zan got killed by a dragon yes, but McClane wouldn't have made it nearly as far as Zan did.
McClane's never taken on a dragon-level threat. He was only able to take on the helicopter in DH4 because he had a massive tunnel as a shield and a long straight shot road to launch the car. He's never taken on a helicopter to the face. If that wire wasn't LUCKILY there in DH3, McClane would have instantly been WTFpwned.
Again, Zan being killed by a dragon doesn't mean shit because McClane would have also been killed by that dragon in a far easier fashion than Zan was, proven because McClane's never taken on a dragon-level threat. McClane struggles just against helicopters. He required blatant utter luck and massive protection to take on the helicopters in DH3 and DH4, respectively. And as shown in Reign of Fire, Dragons>>>>Helicopters. Matter of fact, the dragon that killed Van was above the one that destroyed the helicopter, because it was the Alpha Male.
Therefore, because Zan is an expert in taking on threats on a level McClane's never dealt with, Van Zan>>>>>>>>>McClane in the badass department.
So again, Zan has blatant better H2H skills, took on a tougher opponent (because Quinn taking on dragons>>>>McClane taking on helicopters proven by onscreen feats), and McClane clearly has zero H2H skills whatsoever. Zan wins/ thread.
Well Van Zan never made it out of a movie with "dragon level threat".
And she never faced DH level threats.
You can speculate all you want, but Van Zan punches like a cissy, clearly cannot fight (else she would be able to punch, and do so whilst guarding herself from being KO'd by clenching her jaw instead of flapping it constantly...has no defense against incoming.
McWin.
He took on the Alpha Male dragon which was stronger than all others. He pwned all lesser dragons, including the dragons that WTFpwned helicopters, which McClane needs massive protection and utter luck to take on. McClane would be WTFpwned by a dragon, less lone the Alpha. Zan's more badass than McClane, as proven. Your strawman fails on so many levels 😂
Nope. As proven, Quinn withstood the hits because he's more badass than McClane. McClane is clearly a lesser man who takes on lesser threats (hell, he struggles against helicopters, as proven). McClane can't even fight and hasn't won a single pure H2H match in any of the DH films. McClane will be raped by Van Zan like Last House on the Left .
McLoss
Ah so Dragons WTF pwn helicopters... and so does McClane.
You speculate/strawman heavily and unfairly.
McClane's patterns of attacks are highly effective, inventive and achieves what you would have to call miracles on a regular basis.
Quinn wasn't even above Holly McClane level.
Mcclane takes it as Van Zan cannot punch his way through wet tissue papaer and is a mindless thug.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ah so Dragons WTF pwn helicopters... and so does McClane.
😆 WTF?! No he doesn't. He needed BLATANT UTTER LUCK for that wire to be there in DH3 and A MASSIVE TUNNEL FOR PROTECTION in DH4. The fact that you are honestly trying to say McClane takes on helicopters with the ease that dragons do is such a shameful bullshit strawman that I'm honestly in shock someone would say something so blatantly idiotic.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You speculate/strawman heavily and unfairly.
Nope , it's proven.
Zan>>Dragons>>Helicopters>>McClane (who needed massive help to take them on)
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
McClane's patterns of attacks are highly effective, inventive and achieves what you would have to call miracles on a regular basis.
😆 There you go trying to tout action film tropes and PIS as Mcclane's feats when they are obviously aren't. You're not fooling anyone, trollboy.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Quinn wasn't even above Holly McClane level.
Quinn>>>>>>>McClane, already proven since Quinn took on and defeated Alpha Male dragons, and McClane struggles against helicopters.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Mcclane takes it as Van Zan cannot punch his way through wet tissue papaer and is a mindless thug.
Van Zan is a trained soldier and expert dragon hunter, tracking and killing things McClane would shit his pants against.
Zan WTFpwns McClane. Indisputably proven. /thread
Pity then he would have had a combat feat.
But if youve been fighting a guy for a minute and with free shots, wailing away and cant bruise your opponent, let alone KO him, you have NO place in calling yourself any kind of fighter.
Getting pulled off him was academic as he couldnt kill anything with weakness like that.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Show me someone getting hurt or damaged by Zan.
'Cause we all saw he grunting and wailing away with free shots and leaving ZERO damage.
Show me someone getting hurt or damaged by McClane in H2H. 'Cause at his best we saw him cheapshot someone of lesser body mass and toughness than Van Zan (who was manhandling McClane before and after he cheapshotted her) and the only reason he had that advantage is because she was a phucking retard.
And as far as leaving zero damage, Quinn is tougher and more badass than McClane. This is proven because, once again, he takes on alpha dragons, which pwn regular dragons, which pwn helicopters, which McClane struggles against. McClane is so low on the tier that he may as well not even be there.
McClane has lost every H2H fight he's been in and he struggles against threats that Zan and Quinn's threats WTFpwn. Zan obviously kills McClane in a confrontation. Indisputable
Okay Karl's face. His brother's neck. Thats the 1st 2 incidents that are glareingly obvious..
Quinn was a pussy. And he was on the floor against a guy who left no damage on him, who could not punch due to being a big mouthed poser..
Only in your head. going with your logic: You probably consider Alderaan to have 'taught that deathstar laserbeam a darn good lesson, dont you...
Originally posted by Lestov16
WTF are you talking about? [b]Your argument was the same as mine.. If I disproved my own arguments, that means I disproved yours as well, since our stances are identical.Either that, or you are a trolling **** who would rather insult people about meaningless bullshit than comment on the thread with their own opinion.
Either way, you're wrong, and you fail. Zan wins /thread
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I see, so in debating yourself, you were actually debating me? Sorry, but no, that's the thoughts of a lunatic.
The guy who resurrects an old thread for trolling purposes over being angry in other threads doesn't get to call someone else a troll.
You mean 2011/12 Lestov was wrong and failed, cos that's who you were debating. IMO, 2011/12 Lestov wtfpwned 2013 Lestov in their recent debate. 2011/12 Lestov wasn't an emotional wreck and represented his arguments in a calm and convincing manner. 2011/12 Lestov wins.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Zan won /thread
Do tell what's changed since your last pro McClane post in here to make you think Van Zan wins now?
Cos by my calculations, there's been a Die Hard 5 since then and while I've not seen it yet, going by the sliding scale of kickassery that the DH films follow, McClane will undoubtedly kick some ass in it, but let's not count that film just yet.
While there hasn't been a Reign of Fire 2: Egress From The Dragon's Anus, where we see Van Zan slide his way through the dragon's corpsified colon and perform some amazing feats.
Originally posted by Robtard
While there hasn't been a Reign of Fire 2: Egress From The Dragon's Anus, where we see Van Zan perform.
😆 😂 😆