Van can at least gain the upperhand against someone in a fight. McClane can't. McClane's not going to touch Zan, so McClane gets punched in the face 150 times until he's KOed. McLoss
Oh yeah, I feel so touched that you put one of my most idiotic and misguided posts as your signature. Since you are a misguided idiot, it's a match made in heaven. I guess you found your Valentine 🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
The counter argument is the film Reign of Fire and that schoolyard-like fight where Van Zan didn't illustrate these amazing H2H skills you claim he possesses.
Or as sensible and not upset 2011/12 Lestov16 put it:
Originally posted by Lestov16
Points to Zan's durability (he got hit in the face, boo-hoo). Points to McClane's durability. ChucklesPoints to Zan's opponent. Points to McClane's opponent[b]s
. Chuckles [/B]
The fight lasted one minute and was ended due to interference, and it's clear Van has the upperhand. You're trying to downplay Zan, but sorry. Even in that minute long scene, Van showed far better H2H skills than McClane has ever shown in any of his films.
1 Chicken McLoss. Is that for here or to go?
Originally posted by Lestov16
The fight lasted one minute and was ended due to interference, and it's clear Van has the upperhand. You're trying to downplay Zan, but sorry. Even in that minute long scene, Van showed far better H2H skills than McClane has ever shown in any of his films.1 Chicken McLoss. Is that for here or to go?
Incorrect. I'm going with what was shown in the film.
You're trying to wank Van Zan by first claiming he's some untoucbable badass fighter and now claiming that if the one fight he was in had gone on, he would have impressed us, when he didn't show much of anything. We go with what's shown, not what you fantasize would have happened if the movie played out differently.
Oh, that's a clever jib.
Or as sensible and not upset 2011/12 Lestov16 put it:
Originally posted by Lestov16
Given how vigorous Quinn was afterwards (he needed 3 people to hold him back), I'd say Quinn wasn't really pressed by Van Zan either
Originally posted by Lestov16
The fight lasted one minute and was ended due to interference, and it's clear Van has the upperhand. You're trying to downplay Zan, but sorry. Even in that minute long scene, Van showed far better H2H skills than McClane has ever shown in any of his films.1 Chicken McLoss. Is that for here or to go?
It actually ended with his opponent being not only conscious, but in perfect shape screaming threats of killing him, having not been bothered in the slightest by Van Zan's best.. 🙂
Van Zan punches with no weight behind it til he gets on top of Quinn in a very sexually dominant fashion complete with grunting groaning, whilst throwing the slowest and most ineffective shots in known history, failing utterly to inflict damage on his malnourished and weak opponent. This is part of why he is crap, Liz.
Its everyone's right to be wrong occasionally, but you're really abusing the shit out of that privilege.
LOL You're putting words in my mouth. Don't do that shit. I didn't say he was a badass untouchable fighter. I said he's more skilled in H2H than McClane, which he indisputably is.
Zan may need more punches than the average McClane-beater, but he'll get the job done, because McClane won't lay a hand on him.
Zan wins, because McClane can't defend himself. /thread
Lizzy.. You're dancing.
McClane beats the piss out of Van Zan, and the bit you claimed about 'Van Zan supposedly caving his head in with a million punches and how McClane was never gonna touch him' is absolutely ridiculous.
And its a sign of trollery or massive laughable yet tragic dellusion.
Especially as you claimed that Van Zan was a better fighter.
Youre claim that Mcclane cannot be backe dup, as he is seen blocking shots in his fights and winning, killing the opponents...
Van Zan is shown having zero defense, slugging real slow with no power behind it and grunting a lot.
That whole diabolical display of butthurt had me in hysterics. 😆
Regular butthurt is regular butthurt, but yours looks like it was inflicted by Unicron on a viagra binge.
Left you with Sharkticons up your bottom too.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthHe didn't feel Quinn's punches whereas McClane had his gun taken from him against a female. The only reason he won the fight is because she respected him so little she turned her back on him. In his own movie he's pathetic.
Pity then he would have had a combat feat.
But if youve been fighting a guy for a minute and with free shots, wailing away and cant bruise your opponent, let alone KO him, you have NO place in calling yourself any kind of fighter.
Getting pulled off him was academic as he couldnt kill anything with weakness like that.
Too bad Quan's completely right. And too bad in one minute Van Zan showed better H2H skill than McClane has in the entire DH series (not speaking for DH5)
You want to talk about Zan's soft punches? fine, let's talk about the power of McClane's punches. Show me the scene where McClane WTFpwns people with his fists in under a minute (and Lihn's dumbass doesn't count because she is of lesser body mass and lesser pain tolerance training that a soldier like Van Zan has). Exactly. McClane's never won in H2H fight in under a minute. He's never won a pure H2H fight period
Zan has better H2H feats than McClane and thus wins. It's that easy to understand
Originally posted by Lestov16
Too bad Quan's completely right. And too bad in one minute Van Zan showed better H2H skill than McClane has in the entire DH series (not speaking for DH5)You want to talk about Zan's soft punches? fine, let's talk about the power of McClane's punches. Show me the scene where McClane WTFpwns people with his fists in under a minute (and Lihn's dumbass doesn't count because she is of lesser body mass and lesser pain tolerance training that a soldier like Van Zan has). Exactly. [b]McClane's never won in H2H fight in under a minute. He's never won a pure H2H fight period
Zan has better H2H feats than McClane and thus wins. It's that easy to understand [/B]
"The only fights that count are the ones that I say!!1!" LoL, sorry, you don't get to pick and choose what counts and what doesn't. But here, 2011/12 Lestov16 pwns your utterly biased one-sided rants yet again:
Originally posted by Lestov16
She withstood getting hit by a moving truck that was smashing through walls.Van Zan couldn't even give a malnourished guy a bloody nose.......
Originally posted by Lestov16
Again, Zan threw weak sissy hits that couldn't harm a person far weaker than him. McClane was getting worked by a skilled fighter who can tank truck hits and would easily trash Van Zan. What a StrawZan
I like it when 2011/12 Lestov16 beats the crap out of you.
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2011/12 Lestov is full of shit. At that point he had never viewed all of McClane's other fight scenes, in which he always gets manhandled until he can get a melee weapon. 11/12 Lestov is a dumbass who hadn't seen the DH films in a while and thought that McClane had won other fight scenes, and his loss against Lihn was a one-time thing. Boy was he wrong. McClane gets his ass kicked in H2H like it's a bodily function for him.
Zan, even in his minute fight, had better H2H than McClane's had in his whole series (minus DH5). We'll disregard Lihn kicking his ass for a moment and chalk that up to her massive martial arts skills and uber-toughness. What H2H fights has McClane won? At any point in the series? Name one fight he's taken on someone in pure H2H and come out the victor. Exactly. There are none. McClane is an incompetent fighter who gets beat by everyone he faces, which is why he has to resort to melee weaponry. McClane won't touch Zan in H2H. If your (and 2011/12 Lestov) entire argument consists of Van's weak punches, then you fail because no matter how weak Zan's punches are, they'll eventually wear McClane down because McClane can't launch a defense. Even if it's 250 punches to KO McClane, Zan will accomplish that, because McClane can't do anything to stop him.
So 2011/12 Lestov was a trolling moron who posted without objectively regarding all of the facts, and so are you, Rob. Zan wins. McClane is poor in H2H and it's proven in every fight he gets in. He'll never touch Zan.
Zan=victory/thread
Also, I'm hearing really unpleasant things about Die Hard 5. Unsurprised, given how unenthusiastic Bruce Willis looked in interviews. At least Van died in the most badass way possible and lives on as a legend, and doesn't have to get his character raped by sequelitis.