Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

Originally posted by Robtard
And how did Quinn beat up? Cos you were mentioning his leadership skills and his physique previously.

Originally posted by Silent Master
And Quinn wasn't that injured, which makes the feat far less impressive than McClane killing someone in HTH.

Killing someone >>>>>>>>>>>> being unable to ko someone

Originally posted by quanchi112
By Zan's attacks. All go hand in hand to make him the scrapper he was. You can't ignore characteristics just because you fanboy McCLane.

And we're back to Quinn showing base level fighting skills. He can throw a punch. Which means the sum of Van Zan's H2H feats is that he beat up a base level untrained guy.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Killing someone >>>>>>>>>>>> being unable to ko someone

Originally posted by Robtard
And we're back to Quinn showing base level fighting skills. He can throw a punch. Which means the sum of Van Zan's H2H feats is that he beat up a base level untrained guy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Their fight was interruped. How many fights of McClane did he rely on a weapon or so as the equalizer ?

Yet, it lasted longer than the HTH fight where McClane killed someone.

Therefore my point stands.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yet, it lasted longer than the HTH fight where McClane killed someone.

Therefore my point stands.

At least you finally admit that killing someone is a more impressive HTH feat than being unable to ko them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So he can treat a leader type who is physically fit like he's not even in the same category as Zan whereas McClane needs a girl to turn around to gain the advantage.

"Leader type" doesn't automatically mean "great H2H fighter", Ghandi was a "leader type".

Van Zan beat up an untrained guy, this is the extent of Van Zan's H2H prowess.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Leader type" doesn't automatically mean "great H2H fighter", Ghandi was a "leader type".

Ghandi would beat McClane's ass tho...

And Voldemort's...

And Doc Manhattan's!!!

Gandhi II, yes. Not original Gandhi.

Originally posted by Silent Master
At least you finally admit that killing someone is a more impressive HTH feat than being unable to ko them.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Leader type" doesn't automatically mean "great H2H fighter", Ghandi was a "leader type".

Van Zan beat up an untrained guy, this is the extent of Van Zan's H2H prowess.

He dominated an untrained guy to the point of humiliation. he'd beat McClane as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I don't. You are leaving out the specifics/variables here. Zan's average is higher than McClane's. Fact.

Zan's best feat is failing to ko an average person, McClane has killed people in HTH.

He's done what?

Originally posted by Lestov16
He's done [b]what? [/B]

What?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Zan's best feat is failing to ko an average person, McClane has killed people in HTH.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to people pulling him off of him. Quit ignoring the context of what did occur.

Stop using double standards, according to your rules, Quinn being able to continue means the fight was a stalemate.

Therefore, Zan's best HTH feat is stalemating an average person, whereas McClane's is killing someone.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Stop using double standards, according to your rules, Quinn being able to continue means the fight was a stalemate.

Therefore, Zan's best HTH feat is stalemating an average person, whereas McClane's is killing someone.

Zan treated him like he didn't exist whereas McClane needs outside circumstances to win more than a few of his hth fights.