Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zan was winning the fight up until it was stopped. I never said he won it he just showed he was beyond Quinn. The other example is completely different.

Zan treated him like he didn't exist whereas McClane needs outside circumstances to win more than a few of his hth fights.

IOW, Zan's best HTH feat is stalemating an average person, whereas McClane has killed using HTH.

McClane wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, Zan's best HTH feat is stalemating an average person, whereas McClane has killed using HTH.

McClane wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was winning and they pulled him off to save Quinn's life.

By your own standards, Zan's best HTH feat is stalemating an average person, whereas McClane has killed using HTH.

McClane wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
By your own standards, Zan's best HTH feat is stalemating an average person, whereas McClane has killed using HTH.

McClane wins.

By your own standards, Zan's best HTH feat is stalemating an average human. McClane's is killing someone.

McClane wins.

Who is this person McClane has killed in pure H2H?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Who is this person McClane has killed in pure H2H?

He broke a guy's neck in part 4.

Originally posted by Silent Master
By your own standards, Zan's best HTH feat is stalemating an average human. McClane's is killing someone.

McClane wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We debate based on averages. Zan's is higher than wussy McClane's.

Sorry, but McClane has never lost to or been stalemated by an average person, therefore his average remain's higher than someone who has.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He broke a guy's neck in part 4.

You are correct.

I may need to make some reassessments.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Sorry, but McClane has never lost to or been stalemated by an average person, therefore his average remain's higher than someone who has.

Just watched the scene. McClane used the broken wall to snap the guys neck. It wasn't a Bauer-snap, and thus not a true H2H feat. The stats still stand. Van Zan wins 6.5/10

Originally posted by Lestov16
Just watched the scene. McClane used the broken wall to snap the guys neck. It wasn't a Bauer-snap, and thus not a true H2H feat. The stats still stand. Van Zan wins 6.5/10

He pulled the guy's head through the wall and snapped his neck, it's a HTH and far better than anything Zan has ever done.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Just watched the scene. McClane used the broken wall to snap the guys neck. It wasn't a Bauer-snap, and thus not a true H2H feat. The stats still stand. Van Zan wins 6.5/10

Originally posted by Lestov16
Just watched the scene. McClane used the broken wall to snap the guys neck. It wasn't a Bauer-snap, and thus not a true H2H feat. The stats still stand. Van Zan wins 6.5/10

Since when is breaking someone's neck with your hands not a H2H feat? It's not like McClane pressed a button and dropped a wall on the guy. Sure the wall gave some leverage, but stop downplaying, okay?

It's funny you mention Bauer, since Bauer used a the wall as leverage too when breaking a neck.

Originally posted by Robtard
Since when is breaking someone's neck with your hands not a H2H feat? It's not like McClane pressed a button and dropped a wall on the guy. Sure the wall gave some leverage, but stop downplaying, okay?

It's funny you mention Bauer, since Bauer used a the wall as leverage too when breaking a neck.

Originally posted by Robtard
Since when is breaking someone's neck with your hands not a H2H feat? It's not like McClane pressed a button and dropped a wall on the guy. Sure the wall gave some leverage, but stop downplaying, okay?

It's funny you mention Bauer, since Bauer used a the wall as leverage too when breaking a neck.

Apparently, he believes that the wall somehow became sentient during the fight and helped John twist the guys neck.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit trying to derail the thread. We all have had enough of your antics.

Another strawman tactic. I'm talking about McClane; that's related to the topic. I see me putting you in your place in the that other thread upset you, cry more, puff.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Apparently, he believes that the wall somehow became sentient during the fight and helped John twist the guys neck.

Downplay tactics is all they have.

Originally posted by Robtard
Another strawman tactic. I'm talking about McClane; that's related to the topic. I see me putting you in your place in the that other thread upset you, cry more