Voldemort vs. Gandalf the White

Originally posted by Korto Vos
After the failed fireball, when Gandalf had enough of Saruman's bullsh1t, he shatters the staff 500 feet (150 meters) on top of a tower on a whim without any resistance from Saruman.

It was Voldemort's own Fiendfyre that Dumbledore sent back; it wasn't a new spell that he countered, but a spell of his own that he still maintained some control. Secondly, and more importantly, Gandalf wasn't bothering trying to dissipate the fireball. He has a kick@ss Shield that would handily block it for him. [/B]

Once again, you fail to realize obvious PIS/CIS. The Bakshi film adaptation and book both depict a stalemate. This on top of the fact that the Witch King was powered by Sauron during the Battle of Pelennor Fields. Secondly, Gandalf the Grey, after escaping Orthanc in FOTR, goes to Weathertop and fights all 9 Nazgul simultaneously to a draw (thereby proving that sequence as PIS/CIS). Third, Gandalf doesn't "stupidly sit back"; he had his Shield activated. [/B]

Actually, Harry does rather well blocking Voldemort's spells throughout the entire battle scene.

Secondly, if you're going to rationalize and argue that, you'll be hypocritically ignoring reasoning for why that scene was obvious PIS/CIS. [/B]

Originally posted by dadudemon
Were you crying as she smashed the buttons on your keyboard for that part?

And, I've already countered what you've said about the CIS/PIS stuff: no need for me to requote myself unless you want me to. Do you?

Up to you. If you do, it would be a concession on your part.

Like I said...it takes a while. 3-4 seconds. Nice try.

Please watch the clip again.

Blinding Light

The Fellowship attack at 0:04 and the light is activated already by 0:06. That's 2 seconds.

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But if you have no idea what I'm talking about, you might as well logout of KMC and go get some fresh air.

The fresh air has convinced me more that the pro-Voldy crew really have nothing left to argue against Light + Shield + Pyrokinesis/Object Shattering.

"You are forced to resort to saying my arguments are [trolling] because you can't refute their veracity."

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I can explain...

...it to the end.

The manager was the one that locked her in...and he told her she would be fired if she slept on any of the products. That was her punishment for saying that the Sertas were overpriced. My mom reported him but he got away with it because he claimed that he had asked her to do "inventory" overnight since no customers were in, had it documented on her employee file that that is what he had her do, and even paid her for 4 of those hours. My mother was not aware that the extra bit of money that showed up on her paycheck was "bribe" money to get her to shutup. It was not only bribe money, but it was designed to also cover the manager's @ss in case she reported him. She lost the case because he had it on camera where she slept on the floor, in the break room. He had cameras installed in the break room to spy on the employees. So when she brought that up in the suit, and had 5 other employees sign and avidavit verifying that to be true, he already had it documented BEFORE he had them installed that several employees had complained about food being stolen from the fridge. So he was able to get away on all accounts and accusations of wrong-doing AND my mother got fired for sleeping on the job (this is an at-will state) because he had it on camera.

...it, if you made...

So the manager got away with everything, in the end, because my mother was not prepared to play ball with a truly vile person who had planned ahead. My mother switched to accounting shortly after that event. She went back to college for 3.5 years and got that degree. My mother had not taken geometry or trig so when she got to calculus and differential equations, it was very hard for her to do. She only had to get a C to pass so she had an arab dude tutor her every other week. I thought it was a bit suspicious, at first...until he came over to tutor her one evening and it was just a bunch of boring stuff. He got frustrated with her because she didn't know what she was doing. But she eventually "got it" on a few things. She got it enough to get a C, at least. She did get a 3.x GPA when she graduated, however. So there's that. But, she never actually did anything with that degree after she got it. She worked as an accountant for an oil company about 20 years later. It was boring to her and they just used her as a data-entry specialist. So not much came of her accounting days. It was a lot of work, but she at least got that degree. But it's all the fault of the manager that was one major creep-o: she should have never gotten in the situation where she could be locked in the store for telling the customers the truth.

Suck...

Thinking back, if she were smart, she would have made sure he was in view as he yelled at her...right before he locked her in. My mother did not want to break the glass windows and this was before the fire-marshalls required the doors be able to be unlocked from both the inside and outside (outside, with a key...inside...with a lever).

Wow.

That was bloody brilliant! notworthy

K. I reported it twice at once just to be sure. 😐

But because you did it twice in such a close period of time, they cancelled each other out. Now you much do it once every 15 minutes.

No, happy tissues because you use them for waaaanking to Gandalf in the books and movies.

Trust me, Robtard told me because he was there next to you.

Now, now, let us not concoct absurd fantasies.

Go back to having wild monkey sex with Quanchi while playing Voldemort's "NYEAHH!" as background music.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is he allowed the fireball all the way down the tower to even get to him. That means he waits for Voldemort's first attack before he even thinks about attacking him. It's in character. I can beat you at your own game.

Umm....read my interpretation again. I said that the Blinding Light, at full force from that close range, would completely blind/stun/incapacitate Voldemort and of course cause him to wildly misfire his spell. And yet, when I described the fight, I gave Voldemort the benefit of the doubt and had his spell on target; Gandalf doesn't bother dissipating the spell. His Shield will tank it and during the spell stream, the wizard's wand will be spontaneously burned or broken.

You clearly haven't beaten me at my own game since I have already taken into consideration many pages ago these factors. You just weren't paying attention or blatantly ignoring them.

He didn't maintain control Dumbledore took the control so when it came back Voldemort easily dissipated it. I don't think that fireball even comes close in comparison to Fiendfyre.

You're about to get schooled:

1. Quit downplaying feats. Dumbledore doesn't send back Fiendfyre; he throws back a wave of fire at Voldemort.

Watch this again:

Flames

Dumbledore sends back the flames just before 1:16. And Voldemort dissipates it from 1:17 to 1:18, and you hear his clear exertion from the sound he makes at 1:18.

Let's review:

Voldemort dissipated a wave of fire that traveled several yards away in 1.5-2 seconds. This required exertion on his part.

Meanwhile:

Fireball

Saruman fires his fireball at 2:56 and it hits Gandalf before 2:58. Meaning it took just as much time as Dumbledore's redirection.

You know what the funny thing is? That fireball traveled down 500 feet in less than two seconds. It was moving faster than 76 m/s or 250 ft/s! Gandalf displayed bewilderingly fast reflexes AND his Shield easily tanked it without any effort from Gandalf's part. Finally, Dumbledore's redirection was just a wave of flames. Saruman sent a concentrated fireball blast against Gandalf.

Let's review:

Gandalf faced a fireball blast that traveled 500 feet/152 meters in 1.5-2 seconds. His Shield easily handled the attack, and the defense required no exertion on the Istari's part.

In other words, Gandalf displayed quicker reflexes and superior stamina against a faster, more powerful fire attack.

This isn't pis. It's canon and being objective means you don't pick and choose what counts it all does. He used an ability to defeat Gandalf while his shield did nothing. Great job, Gandy. The other points have no relevance to these films.

😆 What I'm telling you is that it's completely non-canon and that the other adaptation and book both display a stalemate; in FOTR, Gandalf the Grey was powerful enough to fight all 9 Nazgul (including the Witch King) on Weathertop for an entire night that resulted in a draw.. The entire sequence was PIS/CIS at its finest. And even if you do stupidly consider it, it serves no point to your cause. {The Witch King was powered by Sauron too BTW}

Everything I've said before is still true; Blinding Light + Shield + Pyrokinesis/Object Shattering = Destroyed wand and fvcked Voldemort.

Harry also has methods gandalf doesn't. Harry also had a lot of help in defeating Voldemort. Voldemort was greater than Harry hands down in a forum fight and in the movie the hero wins at the end. I don't pick and choose I accept what happens.

Bullsh1t. You downplay feats, while overpraising your character's.

He who lives in a glass house should take care not to throw stones, my disciple.

Submission to one wrong brings on another, my master.

It is fortunate, then, that you have sided with me, who is never wrong.

Indeed, master, there is only one duty, only one safe course, and that is to try to be right.

Do or do not, my disciple. There is no try. We simply are right. Our words are self-justified; they need no elaboration, no substantiation, no examination. Our words contain the essence of the very Truth in the universe.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Up to you. If you do, it would be a concession on your part.

You'd actually have to make a counter to my counter (and it be something else other than "more of the same"😉. Since you cannot (it's not possible) then it can never be a concession.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Please watch the clip again.

Blinding Light

The Fellowship attack at 0:04 and the light is activated already by 0:06. That's [B]2 seconds. [/B]

What I see is about 2 seconds of warning.

I will concede that it is not 3-4 seconds.

Okay......but...I must say that there is about 4 seconds of warning before Aragorn turns around...and they all stop..and stiffen up (no homo).

So, really, when I said 3-4 seconds of warning, there is a clear indication that they are sensing something. That's plenty of warning for Gandalf to get his spell prep in.

On top of the 2 seconds warning aftewards.

So, I can still claim to be right.

However, I will not lie and admit that that was not how I meant it.

Still...regardless of the "blinding light"...they still seemed to be able to aim properly at him. All it does is make him a sure target.

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Originally posted by Korto Vos
The fresh air has convinced me more that the pro-Voldy crew really have nothing left to argue against Light + Shield + Pyrokinesis/Object Shattering.

I am convinced you didn't get any fresh air because you spent your time outside smoking left handed cigarettes.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
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Originally posted by Korto Vos
Wow.

That was bloody brilliant! notworthy

Your reaction makes me think that you "saw what I did there". Did you catch the "Reverse message"?

Originally posted by Korto Vos
But because you did it twice in such a close period of time, they cancelled each other out. Now you much do it once every 15 minutes.

I'll amend.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Now, now, let us not concoct absurd fantasies.

Go back to having wild monkey sex with Quanchi while playing Voldemort's "NYEAHH!" as background music.

How did you...

???

How did you know I had it on a loop, right now...fapping?

That's disturbing. fear

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Do or do not, my disciple. There is no try. We simply are right. Our words are self-justified; they need no elaboration, no substantiation, no examination. Our words contain the essence of the very Truth in the universe.

How very Quan.

Neph, that was low.

Poor Quan.

He's been reduced to a pejorative label. 🙁

Dammit DDM, stop posting before I do!

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Neph, that was low.

As low as you just stooped by being accurately compared to Quan?

Neph
As low as you just stooped by being accurately compared to Quan?

Lower, even!

Victory is mine.

I think this argument has gone on just long enough.

Finish it, Canadian!

Glory to the G Posse! But gg V Pack!

It was indeed a gg. Thats why we won. hmph

Are you saying that you finally have come around and joined with the G Posse, Neph?

I applaud this!