Originally posted by NemeBro
Don't lie to me boy.Not especially durable at all? I guess I must of imagined Gandalf falling kilometers while taking punches to the face from a Balrog that was crumbling the stonework of Moria physically as it chased them. I've seen Luffy punch people full force without knocking them into the horizon. That doesn't actually take away from his strength feats. Please stop this.
Yeah no. All it takes is a quick thrust of his staff to at the very least incapacitate Voldemort. If he survives the first, the next will kill him.
The magic of LotR, though subtle and less versatile, is being underrated.
You didn't imagine it, but Frodo did. It was just a dream, remember. 😉
With Luffy he has solid feats that prove his strength. That they don't go flying is narrative convenience. The staff thrusts do not have established power behind them.
Prove the power of these staff thrusts. Plus Quan makes a good point with Saruman getting shanked by Wormtongue.
By the way, are we counting the extended editions in this?
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
If Voldemort fought in the War of the Ring, he wouldn't survive the Battle of Helms Deep, The Seige of Minas Tirith or the Battle of the Black Gate. It was dirty, close fighting where a wand would be useless and magical powers. The only useful tool is a sword.
I disagree. Replace Gandalf with Voldemort in the War of the Ring and things would have gone much smoother. Voldemort alone would have wrecked the 3 battles you mentioned, at the least doing much, much more damage than Gandalf with his sword. Voldemort just has so much more offensive magic than him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You didn't imagine it, but Frodo did. It was just a dream, remember. 😉
Yeah, only it wasn't just a dream. It was reality. Inception mindfvck!
With Luffy he has solid feats that prove his strength. That they don't go flying is narrative convenience. The staff thrusts do not have established power behind them.Prove the power of these staff thrusts. Plus Quan makes a good point with Saruman getting shanked by Wormtongue.
Clearly you didn't see Gandalf stripping Saruman of his powers, and hence the only reason why Wormtongue was able to kill him.
By the way, are we counting the extended editions in this?
Yes, it's part of the film...
I disagree. Replace Gandalf with Voldemort in the War of the Ring and things would have gone much smoother. Voldemort alone would have wrecked the 3 battles you mentioned, at the least doing much, much more damage than Gandalf with his sword. Voldemort just has so much more offensive magic than him.
Y'know, Gandalf and the other Istari were sent from the Undying Lands not to showcase their magical abilities, but counter Sauron, not by power, but by rallying the Free Peoples of Middle Earth.
If Gandalf wanted to go all-out, he would have caused a lot more devastation than just hewing down Orcs with Glamdring.
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I'm entering this fray:
Gandalf kills Voldemort.
BTW, Gandalf seems to have a sense of precognition, in that he already counters the Three Hunter's ambush with blinding light. And then he practically owns them in the next several seconds.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Yeah, only it wasn't just a dream. It was reality. Inception mindfvck!
QWBBQHDBGJkL****!
(Prove it)
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Clearly you didn't see Gandalf stripping Saruman of his powers, and hence the only reason why Wormtongue was able to kill him.
I also didn't see where Super-durability is a part of a wizards powers, nor when Gandalf stripped him of said durability.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Yes, it's part of the film...
Not the original film as seen in cinema's. I'm merely unsure of what the forum policy is on extended editions.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Y'know, Gandalf and the other Istari were sent from the Undying Lands not to showcase their magical abilities, but counter Sauron, not by power, but by rallying the Free Peoples of Middle Earth.If Gandalf wanted to go all-out, he would have caused a lot more devastation than just hewing down Orcs with Glamdring.
Yes, yes, Nemebro's already informed me about hwo 'uber' the Istari really are and how they're all being held back etc.....
....But where is this said in the movie? Furthermore, that wasn't my point.
The point is that he didn't go all-out. Voldemort would.
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Originally posted by Korto Vos
I'm entering this fray:Gandalf kills Voldemort.
BTW, Gandalf seems to have a sense of precognition, in that he already counters the Three Hunter's ambush with blinding light. And then he practically owns them in the next several seconds.
Well that or he knew they were there and was actively seeking them out. 😐
Originally posted by Nephthys
QWBBQHDBGJkL****!(Prove it)
Gandalf: "Through fire and water. From the lowest dungeon..."
Gandalf and the Balrog land in the water at the end of their free-fall. When they came out of the water, they would have found themselves at the lowest dungeon.
I also didn't see where Super-durability is a part of a wizards powers, nor when Gandalf stripped him of said durability.
Gandalf: "Saruman, your staff is broken."
Gandalf expelled Saruman from the order of Istari (aka removed his powers), and shattered his staff to prove it.
Not the original film as seen in cinema's. I'm merely unsure of what the forum policy is on extended editions.
They weren't deleted scenes, but additional scenes meant for the trilogy that were removed to keep the cinematic versions in reasonable film times.
Yes, yes, Nemebro's already informed me about hwo 'uber' the Istari really are and how they're all being held back etc.....
Yeah, I argued that in the Balrog thread as well, which I should probably return to, but meh, whatever...
....But where is this said in the movie? Furthermore, that wasn't my point.The point is that he didn't go all-out. Voldemort would.
All right, but in fight, we are assuming Gandalf isn't held back by the conditions of his presence at Middle-Earth, but instead will fight freely.
Well that or he knew they were there and was actively seeking them out. 😐
Possibly, but Aragorn and Legolas are master trackers, and would have detected another presence before said figure would have discovered them.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Gandalf: "Through fire and water. From the lowest dungeon..."Gandalf and the Balrog land in the water at the end of their free-fall. When they came out of the water, they would have found themselves at the lowest dungeon.
Thats very weak evidence if ever I saw it. I think its a bit much to say the dream 100% happened from 2 obscure sentences.
Do better.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Gandalf: "Saruman, your staff is broken."Gandalf expelled Saruman from the order of Istari (aka removed his powers), and shattered his staff to prove it.
Yis, yis, I know that. I'm just saying, I would have thought that durability wouldn't leave him because of his staff being broken, it would be more about his physical body.
But who cares, he doesn't have uber durability anyway.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
They weren't deleted scenes, but additional scenes meant for the trilogy that were removed to keep the cinematic versions in reasonable film times.
Again, I'd like forum policy to decide.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
All right, but in fight, we are assuming Gandalf isn't held back by the conditions of his presence at Middle-Earth, but instead will fight freely.
No, he never used these uber powers you're talking about and he's never mentioned having them in the movies. Its in the forum rules, movie feats only.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Possibly, but Aragorn and Legolas are master trackers, and would have detected another presence before said figure would have discovered them.
So? He obviously knew they were there. He went to them, remember. They stop stock still in the middle of a clearing and waited for him to find them.
Givening him precognition because of this is stupid. If he had precognition he'd have known about the Balrog pulling him down into Moria.
Please explain to me again how Gandalf wins this?
He doesn't. Gandalf's never shown the magical capacity to counter the myriad of spells that Voldemort has at his command. To give Gandalf due credit, he showed rather impressive speed and reflexes blocking Gimli's and Legolas' attacks in TTT, but I doubt very much that he's going to be tossing aside a Killing Curse or the Cruciatus Curse so easily.
And what's this repeated nonsense that "Gandlaf is a Maiar, so he can't be killed"? Despite the fact that the Ainur beings are never actually mentioned in the films, The Return of the King does in fact show a Maiar being stabbed in the back (by a Man) and landing on a wooden spike---dead.
And where's this fantastic magical combative prowess that Gandalf is claimed to possess? Last I recall he wasn't disintegrating Orcs or Uruks with his powers---he was fighting close-quarter melees with a sword in Fellowship and RotK (as both Grey and White, respectively). Where are his death blasts, his incinerating columns of fire, his teleportation? Voldemort has all that, and more. What's Gandalf going to use to counter him? His flashlight? His ability to crack rocks? His bubble shield that he never used more than twice despite how incredibly useful it would have been? Maybe he's going to wreck the shit out of Voldemort's wand, because it's made of wood---though I wonder how many non-magical catapults and siege weapons he could have destroyed at Pelennor and why he abstained.
One Avada Kedavra and it's all over for Gandalf.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He doesn't. Gandalf's never shown the magical capacity to counter the myriad of spells that Voldemort has at his command. To give Gandalf due credit, he showed rather impressive speed and reflexes blocking Gimli's and Legolas' attacks in TTT, but I doubt very much that he's going to be tossing aside a Killing Curse or the Cruciatus Curse so easily.And what's this repeated nonsense that "Gandlaf is a Maiar, so he can't be killed"? Despite the fact that the Ainur beings are never actually mentioned in the films, The Return of the King does in fact show a Maiar being stabbed in the back (by a Man) and landing on a wooden spike---dead.
And where's this fantastic magical combative prowess that Gandalf is claimed to possess? Last I recall he wasn't disintegrating Orcs or Uruks with his powers---he was fighting close-quarter melees with a sword in Fellowship and RotK (as both Grey and White, respectively). Where are his death blasts, his incinerating columns of fire, his teleportation? Voldemort has all that, and more. What's Gandalf going to use to counter him? His flashlight? His ability to crack rocks? His bubble shield that he never used more than twice despite how incredibly useful it would have been? Maybe he's going to wreck the shit out of Voldemort's wand, because it's made of wood---though I wonder how many non-magical catapults and siege weapons he could have destroyed at Pelennor and why he abstained.
One Avada Kedavra and it's all over for Gandalf.
Gandalf solos.
Voldermort can't get pasted his uber-shield.
Originally posted by RobtardYouTube video
Gandalf solos.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
YouTube video
I'm not listening to some wannabe Jew.
Voldermort can't get past Gandalf's uber shield. /thread