Originally posted by Borbarad
And you have been told, that you're wrong here again, since the spears aren't thrown at thim.
How do you know the spears aren't thrown at him ?
Would you please stop trying to argue fundamental laws of physics, just to construct feats for your character of choice? If I throw or otherwisely move an object at your direction, you can easily alter it's direction, by applying a force to its side. Common sense should tell you that and I find it hard to believe, that I have to explain that to you. This is exactly what Achilles does to the spears and any human would be capable of replicating this show of "elite strength". 🙄[/B]
This along with the spear tossing feats shows him to have super strength. You can claim otherwise but the movie made it pretty clear.
The point is, that the spears are not thrown at them. And your lack of knowledge in the physics department becomes even more apparent here. The key factor here is not weight but speed. Obviously, an arrow shot at you has more speed than a spear thrown at you and is, therefore, harder to deflect. In case, you still don't understand the concept: It's harder to dodge a bullet shot from a gun, than dodging a spear thrown at you, despite the bullet does weigh far less than the spear. Reason? Speed. [/B]
The difference is simple the travel of speed isn't as great going from a spear tossed in the world of troy to an arrow as opposed to a bullet and an arrow.
How does he react on an arrow not even shot when he makes his move? Answer and stop attempting to dodge the point. Either Achilles does possess precognition (and you have prove for that), or he is just lucky in that particular scene. [/B]
Skill and battle awareness. It isn't called precog because that's a Star Wars only term. He wasn't aware of Paris' arrows until they struck him which is something I would imagine precog would clue him in on. It isn't the same thing.
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Wow. Failing to miss Gandalf destroying Sarumans staff and casting him out of the order must have been hard work. The Witch King is killed by a weapon specifically designed to kill him. Another detail you missed. The Nazghul are defeated by Aragorn? Seriously? I just saw them driven off by fire, because they were spirits bound to their clothes, which means one could "disembody" them, but not "kill" them. Nevermind.
[/B][/QUOTE] Gandalfl was more powerful than Saruman the second time around. Saruman didn't have any magical protections and Gandalf would be affected in the same manner if he had been stabbed in the same manner. The Witch King doesn't have to be killed to be defeated. Being beaten by a hobbit and a woman isn't impressive no matter how you want to sell it. Yes, the Nazgul were defeated by Aragorn you don't have to kill your opponent to defeat them. You are trying to claim winning is only when you kill your opponent which isn't always the case.
Oh. It's a book thing? Hardly.
Gandalf drops down a rather large way and survives? How? By being a normal human? I don't think so. He lived for millenia, which he outright proclaims. Ordinary human? In his confrontation with the Balrog, he says that he wields the power of the sun and serves the Secret Fire, the latter being the power of Illuvater himself. He also mentions that he was called Olorin in the West. Not to mention his "resurrection". More than enough allusions to his rank and his origin. That you fail to see them is not my problem.
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I didn't say he was a normal human he has powers a normal human doesn't have access to. That's vague adjectives which really don't prove anything. We've seen that humans, hobbits, dwarves, and elves can affect these beings.
YouTube videoHe is using magic several seconds before Legolas shoots at him. Just as I said. [/B]
Yes, but still blocks the arrow with his reflexes and magic.
He is already blinding them, when Aragorn turns around, which means that he is using magic at them already, before one of the trio makes a move at him. So, as usual, you're wrong.[/B]
Yes, but using the bright light doesn't mean all magical attacks are taking place at the same time.
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Right. He will easily block Legolas arrows. The video I've previously posted shows Orcs being thrown backwards when hit by an arrow of the elf, showing the force put behind them. Achilles supposed skill in deflecting arrows is still nonexistant and so he will likely catch one, if Legolas aims properly. Also there still is the fact, that Gandalf uses magic at Legolas, before Legolas shoots and ignoring that doesn't get you anywhere. You have no argument.
Since I'm the person who does toss in evidence that constantly proves your interpretation of the movies wrong, you shouldn't really accuse me of ignoring the movies. Especially, since you constantly fail to grasp the context for all those scenes you're talking about.
[/B][/QUOTE] Achilles is strong enough not to be thrown back. We also see him casually block an arrow as well without his full focus. legolas crushing or hurting mere fodder isn't proof of anything. It's like me saying look at Achilles here easily maul these two fodder guys that's what happens to Legolas. You incorrectly argued all magical attacks were in place in unison which isn't the case at all.
You skew and ignore evidence unlike me.
Oh. He did?
I've never seen him taking on an archer with even compareable skill to Legolas. The one time where he does, he ends up with several arrows sticking in his body. Looks bad for your claims to Achilles "battle awareness" and "reflexes", huh? And giant freaking Oliphants are easy to slay? Trolls? Really? Pass what you're smoking.Can you serve anything but red herrings? [/B]
Achilles can block arrows while taking on multiple warriors so obviously with his full attention he can do so considering on an entire battlefield he wasn't hit by an arrow in combat mode. Achilles also doesn't die immediately and resists multiple arrows from Paris. He was there to protect the girl and without this along with the first arrow going right into his achilles tendon he'd have killed Paris.
You can't name one skilled opponent legolas has ever killed in battle.