Originally posted by Korto VosThey were exaggerated and I did forget about Legolas failing to killing a Uruk Hai running in a straight line to blow up the wall in time. The guy was utterly exposed with no way to defend himself and with all that on the line Legolas utterly failed. /thread.
The rest of the pro-Elf arguments in this thread.Achilles will have to break shield cover and rush towards Legolas, and in doing so will expose parts of his body that Legolas *will* exploit.
Originally posted by RobtardOne shot per every 8th of a second would be one shot per every .8 seconds. That's less than two shots in three seconds.
[B]"shooting once every 8th of a second" That's 8 arrows per second,
That clip in Fellowship is hardly Legolas' fastest. While surfing down the stairs on the shield, he fired far faster.That's one scene out of the entire trilogy. Literally every other scene that shows Legolas firing his arrows shows him firing much slower. Why should I believe that that one scene shows Legolas' true firing speed when it's contradicted by literally every scene in the three films? Sounds like PIS to me, as it's completely inconsistent with the films.
That "naked dude" wasn't naked and Legolas did hit him twice, it was CIS/PIS to further the plot considering we've seen Legolas take other mother****ers out easily with his bow.How many non fodder orcs has Legolas taken out?
Killing the Olyphant and crew does show Achilles' strength, speed, accuracy and agility. All of which would factor in this fight. Your example didn't follow. Don't start downplaying like Quanchi, you're above that.
What feats of strength, speed, accuracy and agility did it show? How does this relate to fighting a single man who is faster, more agile, and stronger than anything Legolas fought on the Mumukill?
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
One shot per every 8th of a second would be one shot per every .8 seconds. That's less than two shots in three seconds.
Nah, an 8th means 1/8 (at least in this context when we are talking about fractions of a second) which means he would be firing an arrow every .125 seconds not .8 seconds.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. Ever. Legolas has never dealt with anyone of Achilles' skill level. Ever. You're such a simple man.Legolas kills cannon fodder. Legolas didn't solo the troll he had an entire group helping him. I know context is lost upon someone as simple as you but I can smell the elvish taint on your person.
Achilles closes in on him while blocking his arrows with his shield and then easily kills him. Achilles 10/10.
Hahaaha, the reversal, you need new tactics.
Repeating BS and downplaying won't make Legolas' screen-feats go away.
Sure, if we go with your fantacized version of Achilles and your downplayed version of Legolas.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
One shot per every 8th of a second would be one shot per every .8 seconds. That's less than two shots in three seconds.That's one scene out of the entire trilogy. Literally every other scene that shows Legolas firing his arrows shows him firing much slower. Why should I believe that that one scene shows Legolas' true firing speed when it's contradicted by literally every scene in the three films? Sounds like PIS to me, as it's completely inconsistent with the films.
How many non fodder orcs has Legolas taken out?
What feats of strength, speed, accuracy and agility did it show? How does this relate to fighting a single man who is faster, more agile, and stronger than anything Legolas fought on the Mumukill?
You ****ed up the "8th" part and you ****ed up again with your math, but it's okay. But one shot in less than a second is enough here. That gives Legolas 3 (maybe 4)arrows before Legolas is in stabbing range.
Because we go with greatest feats here.
That question does not follow. Legolas has killed many an orc and Uruk with just one shot. Him not killing the torch-runner with two was a rarity and obviously done to further the plot.
Grabbing onto the swinging tusk and then climbing on it shows great strength and agility, killings the crew while bouncing up and down shows great accuracy. That scene also shows us that Legolas' bow has an extremely high amount of force behind it, as arrows fired were able to punch through the Oliphant's skull. He would need a very high level of strength to pull that bow back.
Everything in LoTR points to Achilles going down to arrows fired from a super-elf. Put Legolas is any of Achilles fight scenes, he does at least equally well. Put Achilles in several of Legolas fight scenes, he does worst or is dead. eg the Wargs; the Olyphant.
Originally posted by Robtard
Put Achilles in several of Legolas fight scenes, he does worst or is dead. eg the Wargs; the Olyphant.
Legolas killing the Olyphant was indeed impressive, and one of the epic moments in the film for me. However, it is not a compelling argument, even a fallacy, to say because Achilles would not have been able to do the same feats thus he would lose to Legolas in an one on one fight.
All the skills Legolas may use in a more complex scenario have no bearing here. It is a plain environment, there are no opportunities for him to get creative. He literally just has to try to shoot Achilles within 2-3 seconds. Sure no one said he can't run, but thats not his style in the film, and it doesn't accomplish anything or change the argument.
Originally posted by Robtard
Any look totally gay? I don't think so.
He already boned Rose Byrne as proof of his manliness so I doubt he would care, especially if it meant not getting killed.
Originally posted by RobtardI am bringing up times he has failed. His only successes were against fodder unlike Achilles which makes my argument more likely.
Hahaaha, the reversal, you need new tactics.Repeating BS and downplaying won't make Legolas' screen-feats go away.
Sure, if we go with your fantacized version of Achilles and your downplayed version of Legolas.
Legolas isn't 100 percent accurate shooting up people's nostrils like you elf fetishists would lead me to believe.
Originally posted by Placidity
Legolas killing the Olyphant was indeed impressive, and one of the epic moments in the film for me. However, it is not a compelling argument, even a fallacy, to say because Achilles would not have been able to do the same feats thus he would lose to Legolas in an one on one fight.All the skills Legolas may use in a more complex scenario have no bearing here. It is a plain environment, there are no opportunities for him to get creative. He literally just has to try to shoot Achilles within 2-3 seconds. Sure no one said he can't run, but thats not his style in the film, and it doesn't accomplish anything or change the argument.
Disagreed for reasons stated, it showed us Legolas' strength, speed, agility and accuracy in a combat situation, all of which is above Achilles and would be factors in this fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am bringing up times he has failed. His only successes were against fodder unlike Achilles which makes my argument more likely.Legolas isn't 100 percent accurate shooting up people's nostrils like you elf fetishists would lead me to believe.
While ignoring that it obviously works against the likes of other Force-users, clown.
Legolas didn't miss once in all three films. If you're going to say he didn't have 100% accuracy please post a clip of him missing or name the scene, or just STFU with your ramblings already.
Originally posted by RobtardWhat does this have to do with force users this is Legolas. Try and stay on point.
While ignoring that it obviously works against the likes of other Force-users, clown.Legolas didn't miss once in all three films. If you're going to say he didn't have 100% accuracy please post a clip of him missing or name the scene, or just STFU with your ramblings already.
Legolas was blocked and failed in bringing down the Uruk Hai who blew up the wall. He needed multiple arrows and his goal was to kill him prior to the explosion which means he failed against someone running in a straight line right in front of him without trying to defend himself at all. That's so abysmally terrible.
Achilles, 10/10.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What does this have to do with force users this is Legolas. Try and stay on point.Legolas was blocked and failed in bringing down the Uruk Hai who blew up the wall. He needed multiple arrows and his goal was to kill him prior to the explosion which means he failed against someone running in a straight line right in front of him without trying to defend himself at all. That's so abysmally terrible.
Achilles, 10/10.
Yet another "you did it" reversal, boring. Moving on.
One lower showing doesn't counter the many, many higher showings were he killed orcs and uruks with a single shot or his battles with wargs, troll and the olyphant.
All you can do is downplay ad nauseum; been doing it from the start.
Originally posted by RobtardConcession accepted.
Yet another "you did it" reversal, boring. Moving on.One lower showing doesn't counter the many, many higher showings were he killed orcs and uruks with a single shot or his battles with wargs, troll and the olyphant.
All you can do is downplay ad nauseum; been doing it from the start.
I used a showing in which thousands of men's lives were on the line where all he had to do was kill one Uruk Hai who isn't even defending himself run up to a wall in a straight line.
Achilles can casually block arrows with his shield and based off his skill and what not he easily closes the distance to Legolas. Gandalf also made him look terrible with help. Achilles would beat him and rather easily.