Originally posted by h1a8
Ok, equalized speed. Glads still stronger.In all seriousness I don't see how this thread lasted this long. Clearly Glads is stronger and thus will beat the tar out of Thor in a fist fight. Thor hasn't shown me crap when it comes to punching with his bare hands. Now Mjolnir is another story
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t551447.html
Let's have a go then.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t551447.htmlLet's have a go then.
Non of Thor feats compare to Glads shattering a planet with his bare hands. Quality of a feat >>>>>>>>>>>Quantity of feats.
Also the Asgard feat is less than the skyscraper feat since it was a shared feat. I would wreck en that Asgard (from the picture) weighs just a fraction more than that skyscraper (the skyscraper is much taller and made of more steel while Asgard is more brick and wood maybe).
The neutron star feat was cool but far under planetary power.
Other feats are unquantifiable from both sides (hyperbole, etc.).
Originally posted by h1a8
Non of Thor feats compare to Glads shattering a planet with his bare hands. Quality of a feat >>>>>>>>>>>Quantity of feats.
Of course he does.
I'm still stumped by the fact that you think the feat places Gladiator over Thor strength wise. The planetoid was most likely larger than the moon but that's still pure speculation and he destroyed it in about 4 all out blows.
I'm curious as where you rank Drax in strength, the guy ripped a Star in half. And no, he isn't stronger than Thor either.
Originally posted by h1a8
Also the Asgard feat is less than the skyscraper feat since it was a shared feat. I would wreck en that Asgard (from the picture) weighs just a fraction more than that skyscraper (the skyscraper is much taller and made of more steel while Asgard is more brick and wood maybe).
We don't see the whole of Asgard during that scene, how could you reach any sort of conclusion regarding it's entire size or that it weighs a fraction more than a single Skyscraper?
Assuming it was raw strength, Thor provided around 50% of the force meaning it's a much more impressive feat than lifting a Skyscraper as Asgard is huge in size:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BringsBackAsgard5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BringsBackAsgard6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull27.jpg
Originally posted by h1a8
The neutron star feat was cool but far under planetary power.
Pretty sure that isn't true.
Originally posted by h1a8
Other feats are unquantifiable from both sides (hyperbole, etc.).
Depends on what you're referring to.
Originally posted by h1a8
Also the Asgard feat is less than the skyscraper feat since it was a shared feat.
The Skyscraper feat, for which Glads used both his hands, is nothing in comparison to toppling the Leaning Tower of Pizza with ONE Finger imo. And that was NOT a shared feat. In fact he didnt even share the feat with his other fingers, let alone another person Lol
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Of course he does.I'm still stumped by the fact that you think the feat places Gladiator over Thor strength wise. The planetoid was most likely larger than the moon but that's still pure speculation and he destroyed it in about 4 all out blows.
I'm curious as where you rank Drax in strength, the guy ripped a Star in half. And no, he isn't stronger than Thor either.
We don't see the whole of Asgard during that scene, how could you reach any sort of conclusion regarding it's entire size or that it weighs a fraction more than a single Skyscraper?
Assuming it was raw strength, Thor provided around 50% of the force meaning it's a much more impressive feat than lifting a Skyscraper as Asgard is huge in size:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BringsBackAsgard5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BringsBackAsgard6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull27.jpgPretty sure that isn't true.
Depends on what you're referring to.
The planet was shown to have an atmosphere (or am I confusing it with another feat by another character?) so it had to be at least Mars size.
I don't know, maybe Drax is stronger than Thor. I see no good reason of why not. If not, then Thanos isn't stronger than Thor either (I have no problem accepting that for obvious reasons). But clearly Thor would beat Drax in a straight fight.
Drax ripped the core of a star out. This feat is impressive and not so impressive at the same time. It's not so impressive because Drax couldn't achieve the feat without energy manipulation power since one can not physically grab gas and plasma as a whole. This is like trying to pick up a beach by reaching in the sand and grabbing some sand. So since the feat did required awesome power (definitely not 100% physical power) then it is still impressive.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The Skyscraper feat, for which Glads used both his hands, is nothing in comparison to toppling the Leaning Tower of Pizza with ONE Finger imo. And that was NOT a shared feat. In fact he didnt even share the feat with his other fingers, let alone another person Lol
LOL 😂
Are you serious?
It doesn't take much force to topple something that is already leaning.
Glads lifted the skyscraper causally. But this is irrelevant as I already conceded that Thor's feat was better.
Originally posted by h1a8
Ok now I see Asgard is a lot bigger in the last picture than in the first.
Ok then lifting 50% of Asgard would be better than lifting a skyscraper (although Glads did it casually and wasn't shown to strain).
Yes, Asgard is similar to a miniature city, and has plenty of it's own incredible large Skyscraper like structures.
Bill/Thor didn't shown a lot -if any- more strain than Gladiator.
Originally posted by h1a8
The planet was shown to have an atmosphere (or am I confusing it with another feat by another character?) so it had to be at least Mars size.
The planet had died thousands and thousands of years ago. At some point, it spawned a race, whether it was one that required an Earth like atmosphere wasn't specified.
I'm going to give Gladiator the benefit of the doubt and assume it was bigger than the Moon but I'm not going to go as far as Earth sized.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't know, maybe Drax is stronger than Thor. I see no good reason of why not. If not, then Thanos isn't stronger than Thor either (I have no problem accepting that for obvious reasons). But clearly Thor would beat Drax in a straight fight.
Besides their battles where Thor has been to match Drax? Very similar to when Masterson Thor stalemated Gladiator in a contest of strength.
The Odinson is definitely on par with Gladiator/Drax etc. in terms of raw physical strength. When we start going to the extremes such as Warrior Madness or beyond normal cutting loose, he becomes the clear favorite over either of them.
Let's keep Thanos out of it. For the record though, the Titan ended up defeating Drax (I think it was the physical clash that destroyed the planet they were on) after he ripped apart the Star.
It's a good reminder that all these space cheese type feats while impressive, only give us a general power level. Comics have made that much abundantly clear, not sure why you haven't caught on yet.
Originally posted by h1a8
Drax ripped the core of a star out. This feat is impressive and not so impressive at the same time. It's not so impressive because Drax couldn't achieve the feat without energy manipulation power since one can not physically grab gas and plasma as a whole. This is like trying to pick up a beach by reaching in the sand and grabbing some sand. So since the feat did required awesome power (definitely not 100% physical power) then it is still impressive.
What's generally more impressive, Star destroying or planet smashing? I realize that they're are multiple different classes of each but lets avoid that and approach this as an average person/comic book writer.
Originally posted by h1a8
LOL 😂
Are you serious?It doesn't take much force to topple something that is already leaning.
Glads lifted the skyscraper causally.
Urm yes im dead serious. How can you compare using both hands to lift a skyscraper, and toppling a huge tower like that with ONE Finger!
Oh because it was already leaning right?? Lol. You make it sound like its on the verge of collapsing.
Well its good you've conceded the strength feats. But since you were asking for an Unshared feat of strength that beats Lifting a Skyscraper I gave you one.
^ Just checked. There is a big difference in size and weight. Leaning Tower of Pisa weighs around 15,000 tons. Whereas something like the Willis Tower (one of the largest Skyscrapers) weighs over 200,000 tons.
So I guess it depends on how large the Baxter building was exactly. But still bearing in mind Thor toppled the Tower with just one finger (just his Little finger as well according to the front page of the comic) makes it a comparable feat IMO.
But then of course theres holding up Asgard which kinda trumps both those feats.. Yes even with Beta Ray Bill helping him!
Rage is absolutely right. This is why fights > feats of strength vs static objects. If Glads destroyed a planet in a few punches, and he and Thor get into a grappling position where they stalmated, its prolly safe to assume that they're rivals in that regard -not factoring in plot devices like "holding back" etc.
With regards to so called "space cheese" feats, they have their place because generally space is the only place that these herald level characters can really cut loose with impunity. Having said that, they should still only be used as supplemental evidence. Not primary evidence as to power levels and such. IMO of course.
Originally posted by dmillssounds about right.
Rage is absolutely right. This is why fights > feats of strength vs static objects. I think so called "space cheese" feats have their place because generally space is the only place that these herald level characters can really cut loose with impunity. Having said that, they should still only be used as supplemental evidence. Not primary evidence as to power levels and such. IMO of course.
Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
I concur, but that is not the point I was trying to make.
A few days ago Leonidas claimed that to be a myth!
nah, i said i wanted PROOF to show it was NOT a myth. there's a difference. i also said--numerous times--that i KNOW his power is based on his mental state. (slightly off-topic, i find it odd how his powers have changed somewhat. in that first appearance, reed said his powers were psionic in nature (that's how he lifted the ff tower without it falling apart) and even pyrokinetic. NOW it's said to be just 'confidence'. odd...)
my issue was simple--prove he doesn't go into a battle confident. prove that he lost a battle because he lost confidence. that he loses his battles all the time because he 'loses confidence' is a myth as far as i'm concerned. you hear the term "full-confidence gladiator" all the time. people say we never see him. i say we see him ALL THE TIME. hence the reason i asked for proof that his confidence plays role in his battles. imo, he ALWAYS goes into a battle fully confident. when he loses it's because he's not as powerful. that's it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In his first appearance under Bryne, all his powers were entirely psychic based like early Post Crisis Superman. He didn't have any actual super strength, heat vision, invulnerability etc. It was telekinesis, pyrokinesis and so on.
pretty sure he had powers, but they were enhanced by his psionic abilities. whatever the case, i always found it odd how his initial powerset simply.....changed for no apparent reason.
Originally posted by dmills
Rage is absolutely right. This is why fights > feats of strength vs static objects. If Glads destroyed a planet in a few punches, and he and Thor get into a grappling position where they stalmated, its prolly safe to assume that they're rivals in that regard -not factoring in plot devices like "holding back" etc.
Yep also Thor stalemated Hercules in an arm wrestle.. I doubt anyone's gna argue that either of them were holding back.. They both were trying their best to win.. And we know the kind of strength feats Hercules has. Moving Manhattan, Holding up the Earth..
Originally posted by leonidas
pretty sure he had powers, but they were enhanced by his psionic abilities. whatever the case, i always found it odd how his initial powerset simply.....changed for no apparent reason.
He had some superhuman traits but a huge chunk of his power was psionic based:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4674/ff25032.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4851/ff25041.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/12/ff25042.jpg
Imo, the moment he doubted himself, all his psionic based powers stopped working leaving him with only his base physical stats which is why Sue was able to knock him out so easily.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yep also Thor stalemated Hercules in an arm wrestle.. I doubt anyone's gna argue that either of them were holding back.. They both were trying their best to win.. And we know the kind of strength feats Hercules has. Moving Manhattan, Holding up the Earth..
Jen also had to job to spare Hercs feelings in another arm wrestling competition...
I know Jen had a powerup, but all the power up involved, was getting her depowered form in better physical shape. I still can't see her being stronger than Thor.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He had some superhuman traits but a huge chunk of his power was psionic based:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4674/ff25032.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4851/ff25041.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/12/ff25042.jpg
well...much of it was, though reed says he clearly possessed superhuman stats as well so who knows how strong he was SUPPOSED to be. i was always under the impression he basically lifted the building but his psi powers kept it together. but it's open to interpretation.
Imo, the moment he doubted himself, all his psionic based powers stopped working leaving him with only his base physical stats which is why Sue was able to knock him out so easily. [/B]
i agree specially since that's exactly what reed said happened.... 😛
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, Asgard is similar to a miniature city, and has plenty of it's own incredible large Skyscraper like structures.Bill/Thor didn't shown a lot -if any- more strain than Gladiator.
The planet had died thousands and thousands of years ago. At some point, it spawned a race, whether it was one that required an Earth like atmosphere wasn't specified.
I'm going to give Gladiator the benefit of the doubt and assume it was bigger than the Moon but I'm not going to go as far as Earth sized.
Besides their battles where Thor has been to match Drax? Very similar to when Masterson Thor stalemated Gladiator in a contest of strength.
The Odinson is definitely on par with Gladiator/Drax etc. in terms of raw physical strength. When we start going to the extremes such as Warrior Madness or beyond normal cutting loose, he becomes the clear favorite over either of them.
Let's keep Thanos out of it. For the record though, the Titan ended up defeating Drax (I think it was the physical clash that destroyed the planet they were on) after he ripped apart the Star.
It's a good reminder that all these space cheese type feats while impressive, only give us a general power level. Comics have made that much abundantly clear, not sure why you haven't caught on yet.
What's generally more impressive, Star destroying or planet smashing? I realize that they're are multiple different classes of each but lets avoid that and approach this as an average person/comic book writer.
In comics characters are written down to others in order to have a good fight. If one character was just 10 tons stronger than another then the stronger would manhandle the weaker like a rag doll. Because of much inconsistencies due to plot and story the best test of strength is against the control (nature).
Space cheese feats could be PIS. In other words, just because a character achieved a feat doesn't make it valid.
Lastly, Glads strength in the comic is not static for two reasons:
1. It is based off his confidence
2. It is based off the writer at the time
But many other character's strength is based just off the writer at the time.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ Just checked. There is a big difference in size and weight. Leaning Tower of Pisa weighs around 15,000 tons. Whereas something like the Willis Tower (one of the largest Skyscrapers) weighs over 200,000 tons.So I guess it depends on how large the Baxter building was exactly. But still bearing in mind Thor toppled the Tower with just one finger (just his Little finger as well according to the front page of the comic) makes it a comparable feat IMO.
But then of course theres holding up Asgard which kinda trumps both those feats.. Yes even with Beta Ray Bill helping him!
The Asgard feat does trump the skyscraper feats. But what you don't understand is that even though the Tower of Pisa weighs 15,000 tons Thor didn't lift it up but rather pushed it. That means he could applied a 100 ton force or less to topple it. I can curl 100lb with both hands and can push with 50lb of force with 1 finger. This is half. So the leaning Tower of Pisa feat sucks.
With that said, it's about the planet busting feat vs. Thor's top feat.
