Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Where are you getting this from. Thor has godly reflexes and reactions. He has no problem seeing and reacting to speedsters.
Just because he has shown it once or twice in the 60ties it does not mean that it's a standard move for him.
The regular Thor as we see him does not fight at a high speed, since he has not superspeed as one of his abilities.
Yes, he can travel faster thanks to Mjolnir and yes, he has faster reflexes then a human, but they are nowhere fast enough to tag actual speedsters on a daily basis. That's just you wanting him to.
If he can't tag Spider-Man, who moves so fast, then he won't be able to tag Gladiator / Sentry / and so on, who move faster.
We are not using PIS in fights, and a character who inflict more damage thanks to his speed advantage should and would also use it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh does it now? No, Silver Surfer is not the superior character and whether he tries to use speed or power, his victory against Thor is not assured by any means unless their are outside circumstances.
Actually Silver Surfer is the superior character, if you want it or not.
He has a higher powerlevel and a higher power spectrum which comes more in handy. Additionally he is even faster when it comes to travel speed and faster in terms of combat ... Yeah, you know that aswell.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So in your opinion, comics shouldn’t be written the way they are? I have a real hard time taking such complaints seriously as it revolves around ignoring how things operate a large majority of the time.
No they should not be written the way they are written, because they're often full of PIS to push to plot. Look at the WW Hulk arc. It was full of PIS and it was only there so that Hulk could go from point A to point B.
It was pure fan-service for Hulk fans and in the final battle they had to depower the Sentry to come up with a way to make the fight believable and it was still not, since Sentry did not use super speed, or radiation absorbtion, or telepathy, or BFR to stop the Hulk.
The same goes for the fight between Silver Surfer and Thor in Mighty Thor which was pure non-sense. I was really looking forward to it and what I saw was very disappointing, since nothing basically happened. Nowdays nothing happens in comic book fights.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor can and has defeated beings like Gladiator, whether the Strontian relies on brute strength or raw speed, the Odinson is still the favorite. You’re so quick to mention Spider-Man, how about you acknowledge all the battles Thor has had against speedy peers where he’s been just fine?
Of course Thor has beaten them. The reason is above and I already stated it once and also again in this post.
The characters forget about their advantages for the sake of the plot. Where is the use in a fight if the opponent has so many advantages and simply speedblitzes you, before you can even react to him?
It's basically the exact same thing like in every thread with Flash or Zoom: "NIIIIEEYYYYHHHH, FLASH STOMPS, SPIDE DUDDDD...! HE CAN PUNCH YOU ONE MILLION EXPLODING TIMES IN A NANOSECOND AND THEN IT'S OVERRRRRRRRR."
And no, I'm not kidding.
What holds Gladiator back from speedblitzing Thor into oblivion? You can try to show me scans where Thor uses his awesome superspeed (and go away with travel speed thanks to Mjolnir) to fight against people who are theoretically faster then him.
I give you a tip: Don't do it, because I will be able to show you more scans, where he gets outspeeded by his enemies.
The instance with Spider-Man was one of them. Of course Thor is in a much, much higher league then Spider-Man and most of the people Spider-Man has ever faced. Thor said that himself in that "fight", yet Spider-Man started wearing him down.
Probably not because of the damage [/i](but even the damage can start being problematic if a 10 tonner like Spider-Man hits you multiple times with a break on the same spot with his speed)[/i] ... However, probably still not because of the damage, but Thor's inability to tag Spider-Man, the humiliation, which was boosted by Spider-Man's cocky talk and so on. That can be nerve-racking.
And yeah, if he can't tag Spider-Man, then he will have problems to tag people like Gladiator and the Sentry who can move at a much higher speed and I'm not talking about travel speed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It’s not Thor’s, Gladiator’s, Surfer’s, Superman’s, Sentry’s or anyone’s regular thing -unless they’re a pure speedster like the Flash- to overwhelm an enemy with 100 punches in 1 second.
Yet they can do it.
If someone is able to catch a bullet (boring and slow example) and travel around the glove in 3 seconds, then they can utilize that speed in combat, but they rarely ever do it, since it would be not fair for the enemies and that is a comic book reason not to let them do it.
Imagine Gladiator fighting with Thor. Gladiator has the strenght to harm Thor with mere punches, that's for sure. The opposite is also the case, but that does not matter right now.
If Gladiator would combine his speed with his strenght, he would inflict even more damage, since 3 punches hurt more then 1 punch and even these 3 punches would individually do more damage, because speed adds impact and impact adds damage.
And now check this out... If Gladiator would use his speed to circle the globe in a straight line in 3 seconds and boost his mass. The last part where he would hit Thor would be so short that Thor would not be able to react to it and he would be hit by an accelerated Gladiator, with so much impact that it would cause so much devastating damage. Thor was taken out by Nul and Angrir. While Gladiator is not as strong as Nul I suppose (and even that depends, since Gladiator's base strenght level should be higher then Hulks if he does not add strenght with rage), but still his damage combined with the speed would be enough to take Thor out.
And please don't confront me with the scan where Thor dodges a lightning fast attack on a short instance. It was like 50 years ago or something ...
And are you really comparing Superman level characters with the Flash? Dude, everything the Flash has is the speed. There is no other point for him but to strike his enemies very fast and he is still the most overpowered hero you can come up with, since basically no one besides Zoom is fast enough to do something to him in a random encounter.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not really. If Mjolnir’s versatility comes into play, it’s no longer an interesting fight because it’ll be over. Gladiator survives as long as he does against Thor because of his habit of fighting down to his opponents level. The Odinson can and has countered superfast beings like Gladiator, who unfortunately has never countered the type of power/versatility that Thor wields.
Yes, Mjolnir's versatility is what would make the fight still interesting and probably give Thor in the end the win if he comes up with something fancy.