Thor vs Gladiator

Hulk has never regularly deflected/batted away light speed attacks. Hulk has never utterly embarrassed speedsters and superspeedsters (hes countered/defeated some, never utterly embarrassed them like Thor). People shouldn't act like Hulk's surprising agility feats equips him with enough speed to regularly deflect/bat away light speed attacks and utterly embarass speedsters like Thor has throughout his career.

That is a display of complete ignorance of both Thor and Hulk. Don't compare the two to facilitate obvious double standards. Cassandra Cain's enhanced agility is touted more often in his comics (exponentially more than Hulk) than Wonder Woman's high-end superspeed is in her's (far more than Thor). Doesn't justify lowballing Wonder Woman's high-end superespeed by citing irrelevent comparisons to Cassandra Cain just because Wondy doesn't have the same # of speed feats and has been embarrassed by Deathstroke who's had trouble with Cass.

And Masterson Thor =/= Thor. So anybody that mentioned Spidey embarrassing Masterson Thor: shut up. Douchebag normal Kryptonian citizens bestowed with the same powers as Superman were curbstomped by Earth heroes both en masse and individually. Doesn't mean sh1t when discussing Superman himself.

You want to discuss what Gladiator's superspeed means in a fight against Thor? Look at his fights with Thor or Thor equivalent analogues or Thor's fights with Gladiator and Gladiator speed equivalent foes. The answer should be obvious. Butthurt and irrelevant comparisons need not apply.

you haven't been following along, have you? all those showings of thor vs speedsters or gladiator-esque foes were and will always be PIS. the only ones that matter are his battles with mongoose and spidey.

try and keep up. sneer

thor wins

Lol don't use Spiderman as an example of speed because it's Masterson Thor but use the Gladiator fight as an example and it's ok to use Masterson Thor?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Flash =/= Gladiator. Besides, we don't know the context behind Flash's speed. GL was obviously injured and used a constructed cast for his arm, Lex infected by some Cable-ish techno-virus, etc. For all we know, Flash could have been depowered and made less fast as a result. Regardless, Flash has no bearing on this discussion outside of him being the fastest speedster in comics...and even Flash doesn't do anything remotely close to what people actually argue him doing in a forum.

Unfortunately, Thor's swung his hammer at speeds faster than light before and him being able to hit Pietro though shockwaves isn't PIS considering what Thor has done before. I'm not making this shit up, either. Thor has plenty of feats to justify him hanging with superspeed bricks, that's just the reality of it. He has a fair share of lower end ones, but that doesn't mean you can just throw out his other feats just to suit your argument. At best, it leaves room for debate and the fact that he doesn't just have a few seldom feats makes it so if he does lose to someone with superspeed, they're not going to completely obliterate him in due mainly because of speed.

Unless you're Flash or Zoom, whom can hit with galaxy busting force. 😐

"In real life" =/= comic versus debates. They're still comic book characters who shit on science and logic on a daily basis. And that's the problem here. You can't bring these fictional characters from a fictional universe and try to impose reality on them just because it makes sense. It's an exercise in futility.

Flash was depowered, I thought. Didn't Brainiac drain powers from everyone?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Flash was depowered, I thought. Didn't Brainiac drain powers from everyone?

I thought so, too, but I didn't want to make an assumption. The backstory is further explained in those DCUO comics.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I thought so, too, but I didn't want to make an assumption. The backstory is further explained in those DCUO comics.

I havent read them, tbh. I only ever looked them up for the nice covers by Benes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hulk has never regularly deflected/batted away light speed attacks. Hulk has never utterly embarrassed speedsters and superspeedsters (hes countered/defeated some, never utterly embarrassed them like Thor). People shouldn't act like Hulk's surprising agility feats equips him with enough speed to regularly deflect/bat away light speed attacks and utterly embarass speedsters like Thor has throughout his career.

That is a display of complete ignorance of both Thor and Hulk. Don't compare the two to facilitate obvious double standards. Cassandra Cain's enhanced agility is touted more often in his comics (exponentially more than Hulk) than Wonder Woman's high-end superspeed is in her's (far more than Thor). Doesn't justify lowballing Wonder Woman's high-end superespeed by citing irrelevent comparisons to Cassandra Cain just because Wondy doesn't have the same # of speed feats and has been embarrassed by Deathstroke who's had trouble with Cass.

And Masterson Thor =/= Thor. So anybody that mentioned Spidey embarrassing Masterson Thor: shut up. Douchebag normal Kryptonian citizens bestowed with the same powers as Superman were curbstomped by Earth heroes both en masse and individually. Doesn't mean sh1t when discussing Superman himself.

You want to discuss what Gladiator's superspeed means in a fight against Thor? Look at his fights with Thor or Thor equivalent analogues or Thor's fights with Gladiator and Gladiator speed equivalent foes. The answer should be obvious. Butthurt and irrelevant comparisons need not apply.

When has Thor embarrassed speedsters (when they were actually using their speed)? And blocking/deflecting a light speed attack from more than 10m isn't the same as defending against multiple attacks launched from 1m away.

Hyperion, Gladiator, Sentry, Silver Surfer, etc...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Flash =/= Gladiator. Besides, we don't know the context behind Flash's speed. GL was obviously injured and used a constructed cast for his arm, Lex infected by some Cable-ish techno-virus, etc. For all we know, Flash could have been depowered and made less fast as a result. Regardless, Flash has no bearing on this discussion outside of him being the fastest speedster in comics...and even Flash doesn't do anything remotely close to what people actually argue him doing in a forum.

Unfortunately, Thor's swung his hammer at speeds faster than light before and him being able to hit Pietro though shockwaves isn't PIS considering what Thor has done before. I'm not making this shit up, either. Thor has plenty of feats to justify him hanging with superspeed bricks, that's just the reality of it. He has a fair share of lower end ones, but that doesn't mean you can just throw out his other feats just to suit your argument. At best, it leaves room for debate and the fact that he doesn't just have a few seldom feats makes it so if he does lose to someone with superspeed, they're not going to completely obliterate him in due mainly because of speed.

Unless you're Flash or Zoom, whom can hit with galaxy busting force. 😐

"In real life" =/= comic versus debates. They're still comic book characters who shit on science and logic on a daily basis. And that's the problem here. You can't bring these fictional characters from a fictional universe and try to impose reality on them just because it makes sense. It's an exercise in futility.

The problem with Thor is not speed but acceleration. Of course Mjolnir can reach light speeds, but after how much time spent accelerating it to that speed? Thor has never been shown to move any part of his body (including Mjolnir) with at least light speed within the first second of motion. That means if a speedster attacked him from 1-2 m away then he would simply get hit without defense.

Thor's only feats that argue he can hang with a speedster for a little while is his feats of blocking or deflecting energy attacks (assumed to move at light speeds). But those feats are done 10m or more away from the launch of the attack. That means if the attack was launched much closer, like less than 5 m for example, then Thor wouldn't be able to get his arm up in time to block it. And don't get me started about multiple attacks thrown from close range.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hyperion, Gladiator, Sentry, Silver Surfer, etc...

Thor hasn't embarrassed any of those guys when they were using speed.
Remember speedsters don't always use their top speed (or average speed) in comics.

Originally posted by h1a8
When has Thor embarrassed speedsters (when they were actually using their speed)? And blocking/deflecting a light speed attack from more than 10m isn't the same as defending against multiple attacks launched from 1m away.

He hasn't.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hyperion, Gladiator, Sentry, Silver Surfer, etc...

I won't speak for the other characters, but for the Sentry I will, since I'm most familiar with him and Sentrys speed was actually too much for Thor.

They had 3 encounters during the comics and two of them were in What if's? ...
You could think right now that What If's? don't matter and they mostly don't but let's take a look at the fights there.

- Marvel What If? #200 Osborn won the Siege

In the most recent one (also one year old or something) written by Stan Lee the Sentry was in full of his powers and cut of Thor's hammer wielding arm and killed him in the process.

- Marvel What If #??? Secret Invasion

In that one Sentry and Thor brawled. Sentry had the strenght and hit Thor more often, also grabbed him more often, while Thor was hitting him, so the speed was clearly on Sentry's side, while Thor's punches did more damage, since the very first one was shedding Sentry's blood. In the end Sentry got the final blow I think, but then Thor grabbed him from behind and broke his neck.

- Marvel Siege #3 + #4

There they fight continued. Sentry speedblitzes Thor in the midair and flew him out of Asgard. Thor then BFR'd Sentry for a moment from the battlefield with a Mjolnir-strike.
Later on Sentry returned, Thor striked him, but Sentry only backed off few meters without taking any damage. Their fight continued. Thor wanted to strike him again with full power under his commaned (that's what she said, LOL), but he got overwhelmed, also physically and was bleeding out of his nose, unable to release himself from Voidsentrys grip.

Then Voidsentry speeded away and destroyed Asgard, while Thor was not able to intervene. He wanted to swing Mjolnir, but while he was doing so, Asgard was already destroyed. Thor also didn't manage to avoid the one-shotting later on.

What I'm saying is that Thor does not have the speed to compete with characters who use their speed to their advantage.
It is indeed PIS if Gladiator lets himself being hit nearly every single time and it's also PIS if Gladiator with all of his fighting experience doesn't know how to fight against the Hulk properly and simply stays on the ground and heat visions Hulk, who keeps walking.
It is PIS if Sentry fights against Hulk without using his immense speed.

That PIS makes the comics entertaining. What's the point in Gladiator speedblitzing the crap out of Thor who shouldn't even be able to react to most of the attacks?
No guys, no one doubts Thors godly reflexes and so on, but he is simply not fast. Without Mjolnir, he can't travel as fast as a speedster and he also can't move that fast on a regular basis.
There is basically ONE SINGLE PANNEL which was written and drawn 30 or 40 years ago, where Thor smacks Mjolnir faster then the human eye can see to repair something or something like that, I don't know, but he still does not have superspeed and he can't operate on high speeds.

Thor wins. He is overall more powerful. Any other Herald would get worked by Gladiator.

What about Hyperion?

Originally posted by carver9
Thor wins. He is overall more powerful. Any other Herald would get worked by Gladiator.

Euphamism?

Originally posted by Mindset
What about Hyperion?

😉

The other one.

Originally posted by h1a8
When has Thor embarrassed speedsters (when they were actually using their speed)? And blocking/deflecting a light speed attack from more than 10m isn't the same as defending against multiple attacks launched from 1m away.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He hasn't.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor was swinging his hammer pretty fast when Gladiator bull rushed him.

I dnt knw about embarrassing him, but he certainly beat on him while using his speed. And you see his versatility here to deal with speedsters Iv been talking about. He uses weather manipulation to hit him with a thousand thousand hurricanes. You can also clearly see he's spinning Mjolnir around at super speeds. And no he didnt need a few seconds, or minutes to start accelerating it!

Oh and he ends the fight by defeating Gladiator with a massive Energy Blast from Mjolnir. Like I said he's just got too much in his powerset and is just too versatile to be getting too much trouble from speedsters.

Originally posted by h1a8
When has Thor embarrassed speedsters (when they were actually using their speed)? And blocking/deflecting a light speed attack from more than 10m isn't the same as defending against multiple attacks launched from 1m away.

Originally posted by leonidas
you haven't been following along, have you? all those showings of thor vs speedsters or gladiator-esque foes were and will always be PIS. the only ones that matter are his battles with mongoose and spidey.

try and keep up. sneer

I'll try and keep up... weep

Originally posted by snowdragon
Lol don't use Spiderman as an example of speed because it's Masterson Thor but use the Gladiator fight as an example and it's ok to use Masterson Thor?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You want to discuss what Gladiator's superspeed means in a fight against Thor? Look at his fights with Thor or Thor equivalent analogues or Thor's fights with Gladiator and Gladiator speed equivalent foes. The answer should be obvious. Butthurt and irrelevant comparisons need not apply.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hermes, Juvan, Zefra, Quicksilver, etc. I'm not dignifying your second baseless statement with a response. ... oh I get it now. all those showings of wondy vs speedsters were and always will be PIS. the only ones that matter are her battles with deathstroke and batman.

I'll try and keep up... weep

Show me Thor embarrassing those characters when THEY WERE USING SPEED. Or at least give issue numbers. I need to see this. But know that Glads is mostly faster than all of them anyway.

My second statement isn't baseless. A character can't perform a feat on a much higher level just because they performed a feat on a lower level.
If that is the case then since X can lift a car then X can lift a Tank. Total nonsense. Thor isn't known for speed and would he would get his ass wiped if someone actually used great speed on him from close range.