Thor vs Gladiator

Originally posted by h1a8
Show me Thor embarrassing those characters when THEY WERE USING SPEED. Or at least give issue numbers. I need to see this. But know that Glads is mostly faster than all of them anyway.

My second statement isn't baseless. A character can't perform a feat on a much higher level just because they performed a feat on a lower level.
If that is the case then since X can lift a car then X can lift a Tank. Total nonsense. Thor isn't known for speed and would he would get his ass wiped if someone actually used great speed on him from close range.

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/DefeatsHyperion5.jpg?t=1295073974

Hits the grounds faster than lightning seeing as how QS easily dodged a bolt.

http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/TMA034020.jpg
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/TMA034021.jpg

Punks Hermes

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed16Avengers281.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed24.jpg

Catches a speedster created by High Evolutionary

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed21475.jpg

thats a couple anyway

Sad thing about all of this is you all are referencing Gladiator and Thor fight but the fight isn't even Canon to Gladiator. It was a Gladiator from a different timeline. Thor never fought the real deal, so we really don't know how a fight between the two would play out. I would give Thor the edge due to Gladiator boasting all the time and also due to Thor versatility but if Gladiator actually fought without being so da** proud of himself, he could possibly pull a majority.

Originally posted by Damborgson
smacks hyperion

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/DefeatsHyperion5.jpg?t=1295073974

Hits the grounds faster than lightning seeing as how QS easily dodged a bolt.

http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/TMA034020.jpg
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/TMA034021.jpg

Punks Hermes

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed16Avengers281.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed24.jpg

Catches a speedster created by High Evolutionary

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed21475.jpg

thats a couple anyway

Nothing you shown was impressive or shows Thor embarrassing a speedster while the speedster is using speed.

Boooooo.

There is no way Thor can defend against Glads fighting at super speed from up close. Thor might be able to defend a single attack if Glads tries to rush from a long distance. But other than that Thor is at a disadvantage.

Originally posted by carver9
Sad thing about all of this is you all are referencing Gladiator and Thor fight but the fight isn't even Canon to Gladiator. It was a Gladiator from a different timeline. Thor never fought the real deal, so we really don't know how a fight between the two would play out. I would give Thor the edge due to Gladiator boasting all the time and also due to Thor versatility but if Gladiator actually fought without being so da** proud of himself, he could possibly pull a majority.

If he fought with top speed and relentlessness then Thor doesn't have a chance to even win 1 fight.

But CIS seems to favor Thor against speedsters. I guess it makes it a fair fight.

Originally posted by Damborgson

Punks Hermes

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed16Avengers281.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed24.jpg

Wasn't Thor in flight and chasing Hermes in the first scan and charging right at him in flight again in the second scan? Isn't this a Mjolnir flight speed feat and not Thor combat/reflex speed feat? Or am I missing something?

Ill be back to explain and debate tommorrow guys. I'm on my phone so it's a pain.

facepalm

So, every fight ever with a superspeedster is now PIS because they didn't speedblitz/combo-to-ko someone.

Well, I guess every fight where Thor didn't one shot someone with a Mjolnir toss or lightning bolt is PIS because we know he can damage skyfathers and beyond with his attacks.

We can also assume that Thor being KO'd by energy attacks is PIS because we know he can use Mjolnir to absorb absurd levels of energy. And on the slim chance he's actually hit with an attack, it shouldn't faze him due to him tanking a barrage of Celestials and a blood lusted Odin. You clearly now have to be beyond High Herald to hurt Thor.

Thor's hammer shots should never miss, considering he can home them in on a target and make Mjolnir fly far faster than the speed of light. Further more, the hammer can attack and ricochet from multiple directions.

Thor's weather control is absolute, considering he can channel the might of storms from other planets.

So, we've deduced that Thor is
-Immune to attacks below High Herald because he's tanked far worse without being KO'd or killed.
-Has nigh-infinite energy manipulation/absorption capabilities.
-Can auto-hit anyone with Mjolnir.
-Can OHKO High Heralds and below with Mjolnir.
-Has nigh-absolute weather control which extends to summoning storms from other planets.

These are all backed up by feats and have happened in the actual comics he's appeared in, unlike this speedblitz theory which isn't supported by the comics. At all.

I guess Thor's at the very least, is a Skyfather, based on feats. Gladiator doesn't have the power output to KO Thor at all based on what hasn't KO'd Thor. And Thor's reacted instantly before, so all speed based assaults fail if we want to go by Thor's best.

Guess I just warped the holy hell out of on panel evidence to my favor. flirt

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
facepalm

So, every fight ever with a superspeedster is now PIS because they didn't speedblitz/combo-to-ko someone.

Well, I guess every fight where Thor didn't one shot someone with a Mjolnir toss or lightning bolt is PIS because we know he can damage skyfathers and beyond with his attacks.

We can also assume that Thor being KO'd by energy attacks is PIS because we know he can use Mjolnir to absorb absurd levels of energy. And on the slim chance he's actually hit with an attack, it shouldn't faze him due to him tanking a barrage of Celestials and a blood lusted Odin. You clearly now have to be beyond High Herald to hurt Thor.

Thor's hammer shots should never miss, considering he can home them in on a target and make Mjolnir fly far faster than the speed of light. Further more, the hammer can attack and ricochet from multiple directions.

Thor's weather control is absolute, considering he can channel the might of storms from other planets.

So, we've deduced that Thor is
-Immune to attacks below High Herald because he's tanked far worse without being KO'd or killed.
-Has nigh-infinite energy manipulation/absorption capabilities.
-Can auto-hit anyone with Mjolnir.
-Can OHKO High Heralds and below with Mjolnir.
-Has nigh-absolute weather control which extends to summoning storms from other planets.

These are all backed up by feats and have happened in the actual comics he's appeared in, unlike this speedblitz theory which isn't supported by the comics. At all.

I guess Thor's at the very least, is a Skyfather, based on feats. Gladiator doesn't have the power output to KO Thor at all based on what hasn't KO'd Thor. And Thor's reacted instantly before, so all speed based assaults fail if we want to go by Thor's best.

Guess I just warped the holy hell out of on panel evidence to my favor. flirt

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Originally posted by h1a8
Decent feat, but not as fast as Glad could possibly move.
Not a speed feat.

He's already dealt with Glads speed, as has Masterson Thor.

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]Thor hit the ground. Smart move as Quicksilver can't fly.

And Quicksilver obviously wasnt fast enough to outrun the Ground Quake. Quicksilver cant fly but that was just a taste of the Versatility Thor has to deal with speedsters.

Originally posted by h1a8
Again not much of a speed feat. Hermes wasn't going that fast and plus who cares if Thor can chase someone down. That has nothing to do with battle speed. Thor can reach FTL speeds if he takes time to reach those speeds.

So being capable of grabbing a speedster wouldn't help in battle against one??

Originally posted by h1a8
Nothing you shown was impressive or shows Thor embarrassing a speedster while the speedster is using speed.

Even if Thor hit Glads 100 times a second, you'd put it down to CIS on Glads part, so theres nothing we can show you to change your mind, hence the debate is getting kind of pointless.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no way Thor can defend against Glads fighting at super speed from up close. Thor might be able to defend a single attack if Glads tries to rush from a long distance. But other than that Thor is at a disadvantage.

So spinning Mjolnir around at speeds approaching Light and multiple Lightning strikes all around Thor would not help fighting a speedster in close combat?!

Originally posted by carver9
Sad thing about all of this is you all are referencing Gladiator and Thor fight but the fight isn't even Canon to Gladiator. It was a Gladiator from a different timeline. Thor never fought the real deal, so we really don't know how a fight between the two would play out. I would give Thor the edge due to Gladiator boasting all the time and also due to Thor versatility but if Gladiator actually fought without being so da** proud of himself, he could possibly pull a majority.

you did it for months.

The "speed" argument does not work with Thor. That is just a fact.
Too many times in the past, Thor battles have been specifically written with the express purpose of explaining that he has the ability of using super speed, as well as reacting to super-speed objects and opponents.
The stories have been written with explanations that specifically tell of and show Thor moving at the speed of thought, light, and beyond, etc.

Whether he does it all the time does not matter.
Gladiator also does not stay in a constant state of light-speed.
Use of a power, or lack of use of a power does not have any bearing on it's existence.
If the character has it, he has it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
you did it for months.

Well... I corrected that mistake. 😠

Originally posted by carver9
Well... I corrected that mistake. 😠

No, I did.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Guess I just warped the holy hell out of on panel evidence to my favor. flirt

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
facepalm

So, every fight ever with a superspeedster is now PIS because they didn't speedblitz/combo-to-ko someone.

Well, I guess every fight where Thor didn't one shot someone with a Mjolnir toss or lightning bolt is PIS because we know he can damage skyfathers and beyond with his attacks.

We can also assume that Thor being KO'd by energy attacks is PIS because we know he can use Mjolnir to absorb absurd levels of energy. And on the slim chance he's actually hit with an attack, it shouldn't faze him due to him tanking a barrage of Celestials and a blood lusted Odin. You clearly now have to be beyond High Herald to hurt Thor.

Thor's hammer shots should never miss, considering he can home them in on a target and make Mjolnir fly far faster than the speed of light. Further more, the hammer can attack and ricochet from multiple directions.

Thor's weather control is absolute, considering he can channel the might of storms from other planets.

So, we've deduced that Thor is
-Immune to attacks below High Herald because he's tanked far worse without being KO'd or killed.
-Has nigh-infinite energy manipulation/absorption capabilities.
-Can auto-hit anyone with Mjolnir.
-Can OHKO High Heralds and below with Mjolnir.
-Has nigh-absolute weather control which extends to summoning storms from other planets.

These are all backed up by feats and have happened in the actual comics he's appeared in, unlike this speedblitz theory which isn't supported by the comics. At all.

I guess Thor's at the very least, is a Skyfather, based on feats. Gladiator doesn't have the power output to KO Thor at all based on what hasn't KO'd Thor. And Thor's reacted instantly before, so all speed based assaults fail if we want to go by Thor's best.

Guess I just warped the holy hell out of on panel evidence to my favor. flirt

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FYI the forum rules cover the "speedsters not blitzing in every fight" issue under the Full Capacity heading. Since you were confused. 😎

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

FYI the forum rules cover the "speedsters not blitzing in every fight" issue under the Full Capacity heading. Since you were confused. 😎

Following that same sense of logic...

Thor now throws Mjolnir at speeds far faster than the speed of light and forces it to home in on his targets, assailing them with planetary force blows until they're rendered unconscious while simultaneously summoning massive storms. Under "Full Capacity", you now have to be a Skyfather being in order to beat Thor.

baka

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah you have a bad habit of doing that jake.

You must have missed the sarcasm littered through out my entire post.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Following that same sense of logic...

Thor now throws Mjolnir at speeds far faster than the speed of light and forces it to home in on his targets, assailing them with planetary force blows until they're rendered unconscious while simultaneously summoning massive storms. Under "Full Capacity", you now have to be a Skyfather being in order to beat Thor.

baka

Because FTL attacks and planet busting blows are too much for any character short of Skyfather! durthor

Dang, what's up with all these comic books?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Following that same sense of logic...

Thor now throws Mjolnir at speeds far faster than the speed of light and forces it to home in on his targets, assailing them with planetary force blows until they're rendered unconscious while simultaneously summoning massive storms. Under "Full Capacity", you now have to be a Skyfather being in order to beat Thor.

I don't see a problem with any of this. 😕

Higher end speedsters can still blitz Thor before he throws the hammer, though.

And the funny thing is that based off on panel evidence, Gladiator has NEVER speedblitzed/combo-to-ko'd anybody of worth, let alone someone on Thor's level. But because he has superspeed, we'll assume he'll do this stratagem that is hardly ever played out in comics because of "PIS".

Yet, on the other hand, everything I've listed about Thor he's actually done, absurd as it all is. But we don't seriously argue him doing that kind of shit...why? Because it is absurd, shown in comics or not. That's not what he typically does, even though it's well within his ability to do so.

But speedblitzing is okay because they could probably do it....even though no one hardly ever does a blitz until someone is knocked out (because of PIS/jobbing). I guess every fight ever with a speedster is now illegitimate.

If you really want to play this game where we arbitrarily assume how a fight goes based off what someone probably could do (but has never done), you're opening up the flood gates to a bunch of inane psycho babble. There's a reason no one wants to seriously commit 100% to that train of thought and apply it across the board for all powersets based off of what's "possible".

Because it's phucking stupid.