Originally posted by psycho gundam
here come the "odin can beat a celestial" arguments/threads, even though arishem pwnt him and his colleagues when most say odin was written way more powerful than he is currently, and he had a lot of back-up and weaponry.
I don't remember Odin actually taking on Arishem in a one-on-one fight. If such a battle actually took place, please provide a reference/screenshot.
Now, I do remember Odin empowering The Destroyer with his own lifeforce as well as that of the other Asgardians, and going against the combined might of the Celestials. To my recollection, they all teamed up together and destroyed Odin's creation. It was actually similar to the Voltron move pulled by their 3280 counterparts with the exception they didn't become one; however, they certainly did combine their efforts much in the same way.
Originally posted by Doonit wasn't one on one, vishnu and zues accompanied him and were humbled as a collective against arishem, alone. that led to odin crafting the destroyer to battle the celestial fourth host a thousand years later
I don't remember Odin actually taking on Arishem in a one-on-one fight. If such a battle actually took place, please provide a reference/screenshot.
without knowing that, the comic your scan is from has no context. you don't feel you were missing something?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
it wasn't one on one, vishnu and zues accompanied him and were humbled as a collective against arishem, alone. that led to odin crafting the destroyer to battle the celestial fourth host a thousand years laterwithout knowing that, the comic your scan is from has no context. you don't feel you were missing something?
It's been years since I first read that particular storyline in Thor. I know there wasn't a physical one on one confrontation between Odin and Arishem, as you've now confirmed, so I was curious why you felt the skyfathers were humbled by the aforementioned Celestial. That said, I went back and did a little research to refresh my memory. Below is a scan of the initial confrontation you just referenced. Odin was indeed 'owned' by Arishem, as were the other two skyfathers who accompanied him.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
how is it clear? arishem is just the leader of the landing party as their goal was to judge the earth's inhabitants. exitar is a clear example of a large gap in power amongst celestials however
It pretty much says it right there in the scan I just posted..
"The mightiest of the Celestials turns from the angry, immortal gnats at his feet.."
And it's been mentioned in other comics several other times before.
Here's another example in the form of a second scan.
Originally posted by Dooncan\t really argue with that, though....there really isn't anything substantial to prove that
It pretty much says it right there in the scan I just posted.."The mightiest of the Celestials turns from the angry, immortal gnats at his feet.."
And it's been mentioned in other comics several other times before.
Here's another example in the form of a second scan.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
can\t really argue with that, though....there really isn't anything substantial to prove that
In my view, if something has been acknowledged in the comics (several times) by one or more competent authors or editors, that's good enough for me. It's not like we're ever going to see a Celestial battle royal take place, where each one is perfectly measured against the other. I stand by my opinion; and you're welcome to yours.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Then again you have to ask yourself could this same effect be accomplished on a Galactus who just came back from a all you can eat buffet?
👆
The version of Galactus that took on the 4 Celestials was much stronger than the version of Galactus that Odin faced...
I can definitely see the "buffet" version of Galactus humbling Odin just like Arishem did, and then proceeding to beat Arishems head in one on one...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
👆The version of Galactus that took on the 4 Celestials was much stronger than the version of Galactus that Odin faced...
I can definitely see the "buffet" version of Galactus humbling Odin just like Arishem did, and then proceeding to beat Arishems head in one on one...
Perhaps, but it's important to note that the version of Odin who challenged Galactus was also not enhanced by the lifeforce of Asgard and all its inhabitants.
Yes, Odin was indeed humbled by Arishem.
The Destroyer, who was essentially Odin + the lifeforce of all Asgardians, came to be defeated by the combined might of the Celestials, however. Had the Destroyer -- in this form -- gone against Arishem without the aid of his Celestial brethren, the outcome might have been different. Again, though, I personally feel that Celestials, such as Arishem and Exitar, are on a higher power level than other members of their race. Various authors and editors have confirmed this time and again, and they're the ones responsible for the written and illustrated stories we've come to rely on.
Originally posted by Doon
Perhaps, but it's important to note that the version of Odin who challenged Galactus was also not enhanced by the lifeforce of Asgard and all its inhabitants.Yes, Odin was indeed humbled by Arishem.
The Destroyer, who was essentially Odin + the lifeforce of all Asgardians, came to be defeated by the combined might of the Celestials, however. Had the Destroyer -- in this form -- gone against Arishem without the aid of his Celestial brethren, the outcome might have been different. Again, though, I personally feel that Celestials, such as Arishem and Exitar, are on a higher power level than other members of their race. Various authors and editors have confirmed this time and again, and they're the ones responsible for the written and illustrated stories we've come to rely on.
I disagree with the notion that the 2000ft Destroyer could have had success against any of the assembled Celestials one on one...
1st off, as was proved against Nezzar the Calculator, any of the cosmetic damage the Destroyer inflicted upon them was ultimately meaningless; the Celestials would just repair the damage and continue on like nothing happened...
2nd, one of them was able to casually turn away the Destroyers best attack...
When you take both of those facts into account, the 2000ft Destroyer would eventually lose to any single Celestial as there was really nothing lasting and meaningful it could do to them...
Buffet/Galactus, on the other hand, had proven himself to be strong enough to where as a single Celestial could not casually turn away his attacks...and Buffet/Galactus is seemingly able to inflict meaningful, lasting, damage against a Celestial whereas (once again) the Odin/Destroyer could not.