Originally posted by zopzopWell, considering Reed gave that weapon and a bunch of others away...
If those Celestials were as powerful as their 616 counterparts and Reed blew one apart with a weapon he just pulled out of his arsenal, where does that leave 616 reality Celestials?Reed couldn't pull that sh|t with Odin.
Why not?
Originally posted by zopzopHe killed 4 of them...Reed fired off one blast from one IG and they still kept coming. They only retreated once he whipped out the entropy gun.
Why would an entropy gun work on Odin? Does he "bleed energy" like those Rogue Celestials did? [/B]
It only worked since they bleed energy?
So what exactly is the comparison here between Odin and them then? Why is this a low feat if the only reason it worked was because of the way they work?
I'm not even going to argue it would work against Odin anymore since it apparently wouldn't work against Odin because of something completely other than power, In your opinion.
What is your point?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He killed 4 of them...It only worked since they bleed energy?
So what exactly is the comparison here between Odin and them then? Why is this a low feat if the only reason it worked was because of the way they work?I'm not even going to argue it would work against Odin anymore since it apparently wouldn't work against Odin because of something completely other than power, In your opinion.
[b]What is your point?
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Reed couldn't pull that sh|t vs 616 Odin, yet he OWNED a Celestial. That entire Council, sans IGs, would be CRUSHED by Odin. Yet those Celestials couldn't manage that and there were multiple of them.
Those Cestials aren't as powerful as their 616 counterparts.
Originally posted by zopzopReed only pulled that feat because as you said yourself "They bleed energy".
Reed couldn't pull that sh|t vs 616 Odin, yet he OWNED a Celestial. That entire Council, sans IGs, would be CRUSHED by Odin. Yet those Celestials couldn't manage that and there were multiple of them.Those Cestials aren't as powerful as their 616 counterparts.
"Those Celestials weren't as powerful as 616 because Celestials bleed energy, and a universal entropy gun killed a Celestial, but it wouldn't work against Odin because he doesn't bleed energy...
And that's why 616 Celestials are more powerful"
Are you lost? Like seriously, do you even know where you are right now?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Reed only pulled that feat because as you said yourself "They bleed energy".
It's like saying Wildcat could stop Superman with a kryptonite rock, but Hawkman would destroy Wildcat."Those Celestials weren't as powerful as 616 because Celestials bleed energy, and a universal entropy gun killed a Celestial, but it wouldn't work against Odin because he doesn't bleed energy...
And that's why 616 Celestials are more powerful"
Are you lost? Like seriously, do you even know where you are right now?
Do 616 Celestials even "bleed" energy? Thor jumped INSIDE one and there was nothing remotely similar to energy/blood and when Thor punched a hole in it's armor it didn't' "bleed" anything.
Originally posted by zopzop
Do 616 Celestials even "bleed" energy? Thor jumped INSIDE one and there was nothing remotely similar to energy/blood and when Thor punched a hole in it's armor it didn't' "bleed" anything.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials11.jpg
That wasn't the Celestial bleeding energy, that was his armor smoldering from Thor's attack.
Originally posted by zopzop
That wasn't the Celestial bleeding energy, that was his armor smoldering from Thor's attack.
Far-fetched as some of ZopZop's claims appear to be, he does bring up a few good points. Beings such as Odin and The Celestials are obviously light years away from that off human beings, cyborgs, etc. They're in a different league altogether. So, yes, when a member of the Council of Reeds takes out a Celestial with an entropy gun, it's hard not to notice. I understand that the entropy gun is one of the most powerful weapons in existence (it would certainly have to be); that I take no issue with. However, in the hands of Reed Richards, a mortal man, it's difficult to imagine how such a weapon could destroy a Celestial. Think about it for a minute. These aren't mere giants; they're intellectually superior beings. It should take no more than a snap of the finger to rob Reed of his superweapon and warp the entire council into frogs. That's exactly what Ashema did to Thor back in the Heroes Reborn: The Return limited series. It's just a little baffling. So when you ask, "What makes you think the 3280 Celestials aren't quite on the same level with their 616 counterparts?", well, there's that for one. Aside from the latter, I find the behavior/demeanor of the 3280 Celestials to be quite different than what we're using to seeing from Arishem and his boys. With the Earth 616 Celestials, you get the feeling that they're invincible; whereas, the 3280 breed appear to be somewhat more vulnerable.
Having said that, I get what Zop is saying when he advances the claim that a Council of Reed member, armed with a super-weapon or not, would have a hard time taking out Odin. It just wouldn't happen. Reed wouldn't even get the chance to use it. Odin is, not only one of the more powerful cosmic entities in the MU, he's also one of the wisest. He's a god for crying out loud. My thoughts.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That alternate Galactus has nothing to do with the Mad Celestials. Who beat Franklin on-panel and the entire Council of Reeds off-panel.
Again, the Earth-3280 Celestials did not beat Franklin.
Here's a blow by blow:
Celestials describe Franklin as a "harbinger" and "beyond Omega level" mutant, then proceed in their attempt to eliminate him with concussion beams.
Franklin warps the blasts into flowers.
He then causes the same flowers to begin sprouting from his attacker's head.
(1 point goes to Franklin)
The Celestials, alarmed by Franklin's counterattack, change tactics, entering his mind in an effort to convince the child that he will outlive his loved ones. Disturbed by the notion of being alone forever, Franklin forcefully rejects and expels the psychic attack. He appears a little out of it for a moment but quickly recovers.
(1 point goes to the Mad Celestials, although it's important to acknowledge that Franklin, once again, countered their attack successfully)
And that was it really. There was hardly a battle. And all participants are currently doing just fine, with exception to the Celestial who was subsequently taken out by Galactus.
