Indeed.
Together, Satele Shan and Darth Malgus can dominate most adversaries in the history of the Star Wars. I believe, they can take out even Darth Sidious.
However, the problem is that it is impossible to survive Sith Emperor's Force powers. Any Jedi or Sith caught is TOAST after a while.
The three of them (at peak) might be capable of defeating the Sith Emperor but they can also die in the process.
Revan's command of the Force is unique. He was more powerful then even Darth Nihilus.
He performed a feat that no other Jedi or Sith has ever performed in the history of Star Wars:
Spoiler:
The Emperor stood in the exact same position as before; it was as if he hadn't even moved. Revan began to sense the oppressive presence of the dark side weighing down on him. The Emperor was trying to crush his will: to dominate and enslave his mind as he had before. This time, however, Revan was ready.Instead of charging forward, he opened himself up to the Force, letting both the light and the dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers. But instead of focusing or channeling the Force, he released it in its purest form.
There was brilliant flash as the air between the two combatants lit up. The energy unleashed was powerful enough to send Revan staggering. The Emperor, unprepared and with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan's mind, was sent flying backward.
However, when Sith Emperor unleashed his Force attacks, Revan was in serious trouble.
Satele Shan has been described as a Force prodigy.
Check a video of her here:
She becomes more powerful afterwards.
Originally posted by Nephthys
They can defeat Sidious but not Tenebrae? Interesting.
No one can survive his Force powers. No one.
The Darth Sidious you saw in the movies is nothing in comparison.
Only DE Sidious is a worthy opponent. However, that too because of his ability to create Force Storms.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan's command of the Force is unique. He was more powerful then even Darth Nihilus.He performed a feat that no other Jedi or Sith has ever performed in the history of Star Wars:
Spoiler:
The Emperor stood in the exact same position as before; it was as if he hadn't even moved. Revan began to sense the oppressive presence of the dark side weighing down on him. The Emperor was trying to crush his will: to dominate and enslave his mind as he had before. This time, however, Revan was ready.Instead of charging forward, he opened himself up to the Force, letting both the light and the dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers. But instead of focusing or channeling the Force, he released it in its purest form.
There was brilliant flash as the air between the two combatants lit up. The energy unleashed was powerful enough to send Revan staggering. The Emperor, unprepared and with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan's mind, was sent flying backward.
However, when Sith Emperor unleashed his Force attacks, Revan was in serious trouble.
He sent him flying backwards?
Yes, unprecidented. 😐
(I know what you meant, but using the light an dark sides at once doesn't mean that he unstoppable. The energy released doesn't seem to be that damaging or powerful. That technique doesn't really seem that offensively powerful.)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have no clue of his power.No one can survive his Force powers. No one.
The Darth Sidious you saw in the movies is nothing in comparison.
Only DE Sidious is a worthy opponent. However, that too because of his ability to create Force Storms.
What about Abeloth? She destroyed an entire city is a fit of rage at one point.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He sent him flying backwards?Yes, unprecidented. 😐
(I know what you meant, but using the light an dark sides at once doesn't mean that he unstoppable. The energy released doesn't seem to be that damaging or powerful. That technique doesn't really seem that offensively powerful.)
You cannot even expect to even nudge Sith Emperor from his position when he is attacking you.
Originally posted by Nephthys
What about Abeloth? She destroyed an entire city is a fit of rage at one point.
A 1000 years later, he was planning to exterminate the entire Galaxy and not just the Republic.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have no clue of what you are talking about. It was a signature move which unleashed the Force in its purest form. Revan's focus was on countering the [B]immense mental barrage of the Sith Emperor. He was not trying to crush the entire building.You cannot even expect to even nudge Sith Emperor from his position when he is attacking you.[/b]
You're wrong. Your assertion that it was a technique meant to counter the Emperors telepathical assault is simply an unfounded interpretation. Didn't Revan also teach Scourge and the Exile how to resist the Emperors telepaphic powers? Were they also able to channel the Light and Dark sides?
And if that technique is only meant to counter telepathic domination, how then will it enable Revan to defeat Nihilus, who does not fight with telepathy?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Sith Emperor destroyed all life in the entire planet and also removed the Force completetly from it. He devoured every organic being in the process ranging from tiny insects to powerful Sith Lords.Also, he was planning to exterminate the entire Galaxy.
Are you refering to the ritual that took him several weeks and needed several hundred Sith Lords to complete? Well yes, I'm sue he can use that ability in combat. 🙂
So was Nihilus.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Nihilus seems more impressive than the sith emperor IMO. He caused mass destruction on a planetary level and drained the life essence of 100 jedi, in what? Minutes? It took a ritual for the sith emperor to drain 100 dark lords without them knowing.
We don't actually know how long it took Nihilus to drain the planet and it was still vastly less impressive than the Emperor. Furthermore, there weren't 100 jedi on Katarr. After the JCW, barely 100 jedi remained in the galaxy. It could have been 5-10 jedi for all you know. And Nihilus' hunger was killing him. The Emperor suffered none of those side effects.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You're wrong. Your assertion that it was a technique meant to counter the Emperors telepathical assault is simply an unfounded interpretation.
Read these parts carefully:
Spoiler:
Revan began to sense the oppressive presence of the dark side weighing down on him. The Emperor was trying to crush his will: to dominate and enslave his mind as he had before. This time, however, Revan was ready.Instead of charging forward, he opened himself up to the Force, letting both the light and the dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers. But instead of focusing or channeling the Force, he released it in its purest form.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Didn't Revan also teach Scourge and the Exile how to resist the Emperors telepaphic powers? Were they also able to channel the Light and Dark sides?
You think that it is a joke to channel both the light and dark sides simultaneously and unleash the Force in its purest form? And that every tom, dick, and harry can perform this feat? 🙄
Originally posted by Nephthys
And if that technique is only meant to counter telepathic domination, how then will it enable Revan to defeat Nihilus, who does not fight with telepathy?
Read this carefully:
Spoiler:
But instead of focusing or channeling the Force, he released it in its purest form.
Against Nihilus, Revan can channel that kind of power on the Sith Lord directly to dominate him.
In case of Sith Emperor, Revan was forced to act against the barrage of his telepathic attacks or else he would have gotten mind-wiped in the process.
Such is the command of the Sith Emperor in telepathic capabilities that he can break the will of even a hundred powerful Sith Lords simultaneously. He simply crushes the will of his adversaries and makes them there pawns.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Are you refering to the ritual that took him several weeks and needed several hundred Sith Lords to complete?
Spoiler:
Nyriss told me the ritual on Nathema took days, if not weeks. And the Emperor had to trick hundreds of other powerful Sith into working with him so he could draw on their power.
You are forgetting one thing; he himself survived that kind of power projection. Also, he was using the power of the dark side to perform that ritual.
Here is a hint of what he became afterwards:
Spoiler:
There was something strange about the Emperor's voice. It didn't sound like the voice of a single being. It had an unusual echo and resonance, almost as if a great multitude were speaking his words in perfect symphony.
He possesses the power of all of those he has devored in the past.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So was Nihilus.
The planet that Sith Emperor targeted was completetly cut off from the Force in the aftermath. No living being survived in it apart from the Sith Emperor himself who actually also pulled a Nihilus in the process. The Force was no where near its surface. It was impossible to survive on its surface for long periods. The Sith Emperor actually unlocked the full destructive potential of the dark side on that planet.
Here;
Spoiler:
"Once they arrived on Nathema, they quickly fell under Lord Vitiate's control. He dominated their minds, crushed their resistance. He turned them into slaves to his will,[/B] forcing them to participate in the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted. Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims."But the ritual was not confined to the doomed Sith Lords. They were but the eye of the storm; the center of a vortex that spread across the entire planet. Every man, woman, and child on Nathema died that day. Every beast, bird, and fish; all the insects and plants; every living being touched by the Force was consumed. When the ritual ended, Nathema was no longer a world. It was a husk sucked dry. Lord Vitiate sacrificed millions, stealing their life force to make himself immortal. Their deaths also made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born."
More;
Spoiler:
The Emperor had consumed everything. Life, sound, color, even the Force—nothing remained.
& more;
Spoiler:
Destroying your enemies—even destroying a planet—was understandable. But this wasn't simple destruction. It was annihilation; obliteration. The very fabric of the Force had been shredded. Anyone capable of turning an entire planet into a nihilistic abomination had to be completely mad.
And if he was capable of surviving through that hell, can you imagine what it would take to stop him in combat situations?
Originally posted by Nephthys Well yes, I'm sue he can use that ability in combat. 🙂
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
We don't actually know how long it took Nihilus to drain the planet and it was still vastly less impressive than the Emperor. Furthermore, there weren't 100 jedi on Katarr. After the JCW, barely 100 jedi remained in the galaxy. It could have been 5-10 jedi for all you know. And Nihilus' hunger was killing him. The Emperor suffered none of those side effects.
Did the sith emperor not use a ritual to perform his feat? And did he not also trick those dark lords in order to drain them? Nihilus' feat took far less than several weeks, that's for sure.
I'm just not seeing how the sith emperor is more impressive. Also, what other feats does he have besides the drain he used and his telepathy?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Did the sith emperor not use a ritual to perform his feat? And did he not also trick those dark lords in order to drain them? Nihilus' feat took far less than several weeks, that's for sure.
I'm just not seeing how the sith emperor is more impressive. Also, what other feats does he have besides the drain he used and his telepathy?
His telepathy, power, sith sorcery, all more impressive.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Did the sith emperor not use a ritual to perform his feat? And did he not also trick those dark lords in order to drain them? Nihilus' feat took far less than several weeks, that's for sure.
Also, Sith Emperor's ritual lasted lot less then weeks too. Not only this, the Sith Emperor was on the planet and survived that incredible power projection; the peak of destructive power of the dark side.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I'm just not seeing how the sith emperor is more impressive. Also, what other feats does he have besides the drain he used and his telepathy?
1. He has incredible telepathic abilities. He can quickly break the will of many many individuals simultaneously. Nihilus never reached this level.
2. His direct offensive force powers are one of the deadliest in the history of Star Wars and he can incinerate his adversaries without sufficient effort. He does not needs to rely on the Force Drain techniques. Nihilus is a fail in this regard and he lacks the tolerance of the Sith Emperor.
Jedi Exile, Mandalore, and Visas were sufficient to defeat Darth Nihilus. Against the Sith Emperor, they stand no chance.
Spoiler:
During the time of Revan, the Sith Emperor eliminated several Dark Council members simultaneously.
To give you an idea; a single member of the Dark Council was capable of eliminating both Lorge Scourge and Jedi Exile simultaneously in a single duel.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
How do you know? How many jedi were on the planet?His telepathy, power, sith sorcery, all more impressive.
Let's make this easier. Let's say Nihilus and the sith emperor both face off on the Ravager, how will the sith emperor overcome Darth Nihilus without a ritual? What are his feats with sorcery?
No doubt the sith emperor is a force titan, but I think he is being a little overhyped. However, I'll be honest: I don't know much about him, which is why I'm asking.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Let's make this easier. Let's say Nihilus and the sith emperor both face off on the Ravager, how will the sith emperor overcome Darth Nihilus without a ritual? What are his feats with sorcery?No doubt the sith emperor is a force titan, but I think he is being a little overhyped. However, I'll be honest: I don't know much about him, which is why I'm asking.
1. He will crush the WILL of Nihilus. It is unlikely that Nihilus can make through this.
2. He will incinerate Nihilus with his Force powers. No form of defensive abilities can protect against his powers. Not even those of Master Yoda.