The diffrence between what Nihilus and Vitiate did was that Nihilus killed all life on the planet while Vitiate, more or less, killed the planet and everything on it.
Regardless, of the Nihilus and Vitiate debate, Vitiate would win in this thread. Hell he could likely turn both of them into his bitches.
Regarding Vitiate’s domination of Revan and Malak, consider that when Revan first visited Malachor V, he was taken by surprise and assaulted by the Sith spirits inhabiting the planet. Even though he was unprepared and unaware of what he would find, through the strength of his will he not only prevented the Sith spirits from destroying his mind, but he consumed them as well.
Revan sells himself short when he talks about how he was unprepared for Vitiate’s domination. Even a surprised Revan is clearly an incredibly formidable opponent to simply dominate through the Force and turn into a puppet. That Vitiate was able to do it all, including Malak who is no push over either, is extremely impressive.
That he failed the second time, isn’t a mark against his ability to dominate people, but a kudos to Revan’s discovery of the technique necessary to resist it, which he was able to teach to Scourge and the Meetra.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan had previously commented that he "knew his tactics and tricks" and that he could defend against the Emperors telepathic abilities, and taught Scourge and the Exile how to do so.
You don't know that how the entire duel went. The Exile and Scourge were not mentally assaulted by the Sith Emperor.
The Sith Emperor kept Scourge and Exile busy by vastly augmenting the capabilites and performance of his warriors with the Force who were fighting with Scourge and Exile. Simultaneously, he was engaged with Revan and focused his mental assault on him only.
Scourge was actually not convinced that he and his Jedi companions could stop the Sith Emperor.
This is why he decided to betray his Jedi companions; to save himself from the wrath of the Sith Emperor.
Originally posted by Nephthys
This is what he is refering to when it says that he was ready for him. The actual attack does not mention anything about it resisting his telepathy.
Also, when Revan faced the mental assault of the Sith Emperor, he stopped his charge towards him and performed a remarkable feat to stop him from doing so.
Revan had a unique command of the Force due to his past experiences and knowledge and there is no proof that Scourge and Exile were capable of replicating his abilities. No Jedi and Sith ever had channelled both the light and dark sides of the Force simultaneously in the manner in which Revan did.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Infact, since it specifically says that he wasn't 'focusing or channeling' it, its obvious that it wasn't meant to counter telepathy. All he did was 'released it in its purest form' aka a bigass explosion.
Here is a snapshot:
1. Revan charges towards the Sith Emperor.
2. The Sith Emperor unleashes his mental assault to turn Revan in to his mental slave.
3. Revan suddenly stops the charge, and performs a remarkable feat to stop the Sith Emperor from performing his mental assault.
4. The Sith Emperor realizes that Revan has become more powerful then he has anticipated and understands him better then all others. The Sith Emperor then resorts to his other overwhelming offensive force powers to stop Revan.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Then why would Revan teach them how to resist the Emperors telepathy? Unless maybe it isn't the same technique and his Light/Dark attack was something different.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He didn't channel it. And no, its really cool. Very good of him to be able to do that. But I don't suck Revans dick like you do
Originally posted by Nephthys
This is pure speculation. Revan has not used the Force in that way to my knowledge and so he cannot do so in a thread
Drew never explicity stated that Revan could not channel or focus with that kind of power. He mentioned what Revan actually decided to do in his situation.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No one is denying that Vitiate is very powerful. He may well be among the most powerful in the mythos. But he is not leagues above others as you suggest. You'll recall that so does Nihilus. He had an entire ship full of dominated Sith.
Nihilus indeed had good hold over his crew. However, the Sith Emperor also had a good hold over millions of people in his homeworld.
And the Sith Emperor performed this feat as well:
Once they arrived on Nathema, they quickly fell under Lord Vitiate's control. He dominated their minds, crushed their resistance. He turned them into slaves to his will, forcing them to participate in the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted. Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims.
Lord Vitiate quickly crushed the WILL of 100 powerful Sith Lords who came to meet him and made them his mental slaves. Nihilus never demonstrated a comparable feat.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well obviously the Emperor does not have 'days, if not weeks' to prepare for a versus thread. So he can't use that power whenever he wants.
He was never addicted to one ability like Nihilus. Nihilus would get weak if he would not drain others. This was not the case with the Sith Emperor.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So? bane survived the destruction on Ruusan. Thats because he was the one actually carrying out the ritual, so obviously he would be free from harm. Just like the Emperor was the one conducting the ritual on Nathema, so obviously he wouldn't have to defend himself from the devestation.
Bane never participated in the ritual of the Thought Bomb. He was many kilometers away from the explosion of the Thought Bomb. That is why he survived.
The Sith Emperor survived a blast of energy that destroyed all life on planetary scale. This is incredible feat and reveals that how powerful he really was.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So, its still a ritual. Amd I doubt his opponent will give him days to carry it out again when they fight.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, speculation.
Lord Scourge's thoughts:
There was something strange about the Emperor's voice. It didn’t sound like the voice of a single being. It had an unusual echo and resonance, almost as if a great multitude were speaking his words in perfect symphony.
A grim theory passed unbidden through Scourge's mind: was it possible all those that had been consumed by the ritual on Nathema still existed in some form within the Emperor himself? Nyriss said he’d devoured them, but what if she was only partially correct? What if he had imprisoned their spirits inside his own corporeal form, slowly feeding on their life energy over a thousand years to keep himself young and strong?
Lord Vitiate's voice did not sounded like that of a single human. There was a hint of something in it. Of something he had done before.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bullshit. The attack is seen on screen and requires no ritual to perform.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Could they? I must have missed the level of Kotor II when you travel to Katarr and play walk-about.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Again Drew demonstrates his abilities as a hack writer:Nihilus' attack also creates absences in the Force.
The Sith Emperor's attack creates a void on a planetary scale. The Force is absent on the entire surface of the planet. No living being is capable of surviving on its surface for long.
To give you an idea:
The Jedi Exile felt sick within a short span of time and wanted to get out of that planet. She could have lost her sanity or would have died, if she had stayed longer.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, yes he's very impressive.He ate the sound and color?
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What the ****? I wasn't aware that sound and color was attached to the Force. Jesus Christ thats stupid.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He was the one performing the ritual.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Naturally. he's completely unstoppable and no-one can ever hope tpo match him ever.
Revan's force defensive abilities were no less then that of Master Yoda and yet he faltered. It can be safely argued that Revan's defensive capabilties were even better then those of Master Yoda. The Force attacks that Yoda faced in the movies from Count Dooku and Darth Sidious were nothing in comparison to what the Sith Emperor demonstrated.
And before you decide to challenge the above statement, think twice. Before there is information that will confirm my point and destroy your arguments.
Deal with it.
Originally posted by Lucius
Regarding Vitiate’s domination of Revan and Malak, consider that when Revan first visited Malachor V, he was taken by surprise and assaulted by the Sith spirits inhabiting the planet. Even though he was unprepared and unaware of what he would find, through the strength of his will he not only prevented the Sith spirits from destroying his mind, but he consumed them as well.Revan sells himself short when he talks about how he was unprepared for Vitiate’s domination. Even a surprised Revan is clearly an incredibly formidable opponent to simply dominate through the Force and turn into a puppet. That Vitiate was able to do it all, including Malak who is no push over either, is extremely impressive.
That he failed the second time, isn’t a mark against his ability to dominate people, but a kudos to Revan’s discovery of the technique necessary to resist it, which he was able to teach to Scourge and the Meetra.
Kriea (aka Darth Traya) herself described Revan's capabilities in symbolic manner.
REVAN had a unique command of the Force and that made him very exceptional. He understood Force in a remarkable manner and all those who met him were impressed by his capabilities regardless of personal opinions, including his enemies.
REVAN even offered the Jedi Council to teach the Jedi of his age in the ways of the Force. The Jedi Council refused and the results were devastating when the Sith Triumvirate striked.
Heck, it is stated in the KOTOR Campaign Guide that if Revan existed during the time of Exar Kun, he would have been a role model Jedi for all.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Legend, if you continue to be abusive in your discussion with me I will end it. Blunt your ****ing tongue or don't use it.
Either you pay attention or don't waste my time.
LOL!
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
ROTS Sidious shouldn't even be in the same breath as this guy. Only DE Sidious is allowed, if ANY incarnation of Sidious makes sense.
Was not ROTS Sidious referred to as the most powerful Sith in history? I seem to recall at least some of those quotes refered to him at that time.
I thought you bought into those quotes.
Originally posted by ares834
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I am giving fair treatment to all characters. I have many canonical sources under my possession. I can differentiate between what is correct and what is not correct. I can differentiate between the hyperbole and truth.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Was not ROTS Sidious referred to as the most powerful Sith in history? I seem to recall at least some of those quotes refered to him at that time.I thought you bought into those quotes.
Things are changing in the history of Star Wars mythos.
ROTS Sidious does not compares to the Lord Vitiate. A retcon is clearly in order.
My Victim
Your turn to get pimpsmacked.
This may have been accurate had it pertained to my sexcursions in the bedroom, but since I can only assume you're referencing this discussion, even you {with formidable expertise in subscribing to horrendous logic} could not be more wrong.
My Victim
What nonsense.He had been the most powerful Sith Lord in the entire Galaxy for a very very long time. He lived for over a 1000 years.
{Which is why I said his time; his time clearly being the duration of his life.}
My Victim
He is a worthy contendor for the most powerful Sith Lord in history besides Darth Sidious and Darth Plagueis.
Plagueis, definitely. Sidious, not really.
My Victim
Even if he is finally taken down, no lone Jedi can stop him or is involved.
You would do well to explain how this is relevant.
My VictimSpoiler:
He was only 10 years old when he stripped a Dark Lord of the Sith of his powers and killed him.A feat comparable to that of Nihilus at that time against Darth Traya.
Spoiler:Revan, pg. 256
"I cannot guarantee the truth of this story," Nyriss admitted.
My Victim
His feat on Nathema surpasses the destructive intensity of the power projected by Nihilus. No one survived his ritual.In case of
Nihilus didn't require the presence of hundreds of other Sith to achieve his ends and neither did Sidious. Continuing you dismiss this fact will be interpreted as an automatic concession on your part. If you want to discuss this, fine, but be courteous enough to not cherrypick the text and remove critical contextual pieces?
Thanks in advance,
Your humble Pimpsmacker
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
This may have been accurate had it pertained to my sexcursions in the bedroom, but since I can only assume you're referencing this discussion, even you {with formidable expertise in subscribing to horrendous logic} could not be more wrong.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
{Which is why I said his time; his time clearly being the duration of his life.}
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
Plagueis, definitely. Sidious, not really.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
You would do well to explain how this is relevant.
There are already individuals in Star Wars mythos that have surpassed DE incarnation of Luke in capabilities and command of the Force.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
Spoilers
"I cannot guarantee the truth of this story," Nyriss admitted. "Those who witnessed the events no longer live to verify them. But if you had ever met the Emperor in person, you would not be so hesitant to accept the tale as fact."
This she stated the above when she claimed that he has killed THOUSANDS of individuals by himself. She was no outsider. She was close to the Sith Emperor and learned a lot about his past history.
Here is more afterwards;
Spoiler:
"What about Nathema's ruler? The boy's father? You claimed he was a Sith Lord. Surely he didn’t sit back doing nothing while a child conquered his people village by village?""Tenebrae's father was named Lord Dramath. He heard rumors, but they came from a remote and insignificant territory. He had long forgotten the simple commoner who had borne him a son, and he considered the plight of a few small villages beneath his notice. Had Dramath acted more swiftly, the Emperor might have been stopped. But it took almost four years before he decided to go see Tenebrae for himself."
"Lord Dramath intended to judge the child's power to determine if he was worthy of serving the Sith Lord, or if he should simply be executed. But Tenebrae had no intention of serving—or of dying. When they met face-to-face, Tenebrae proved the stronger. Only ten years old, he stripped his father of his power and his mind. Lord Dramath spent his last moments weeping in terror, gazing up into the black eyes of his son."
It took Tenebrae three more years to gain control of the rest of Nathema. Dramath’s firstborn son fled rather than face his formidable half brother, but other powerful Sith sought to seize the empty throne. All fell before the dark prodigy, and with each victory he grew more powerful and more ruthless."
The case of Lord Dramand have also been confirmed by Revan himself:
"His name was Lord Dramath the Second. A thousand years ago his father, the original Lord Dramath, ruled over a planet called Medriaas. He was overthrown by another Sith named Lord Vitiate, who renamed the planet Nathema. With his father’s death, the younger Lord Dramath fled. He hid on Rekkiad with a handful of loyal followers, and when he died they buried him here with the datacron."
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
Nihilus didn't require the presence of hundreds of other Sith to achieve his ends and neither did Sidious. Continuing you dismiss this fact will be interpreted as an automatic concession on your part. If you want to discuss this, fine, but be courteous enough to not cherrypick the text and remove critical contextual pieces?
Sidious never destroyed a planet like that.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
Thanks in advance,
Your humble Pimpsmacker
My Victim
We shall see.
no u excellent
My Victim
Not in his time only. In several eras and perhaps in the entire History.
You have failed to prove that in ways so thorough and complete as to inspire awe from those who make careers in failing at what they love above all else in life.
My Victim
No. Sidious is no longer unique.
In what regard was he ever unique other than in conquering the galaxy and destroying Jedi {which your boy failed to do, by the way}?
My Victim
It is relevant. Sidious was stopped by DE Luke with help from Leia. Not very impressive.There are already individuals in Star Wars mythos that have surpassed DE incarnation of Luke in capabilities and command of the Force.
Spoiler:
If you actually read Dark Empire, you'd know that Sidious was stopped by "the Force and all the Jedi who came before" Luke and Leia. That's an exact quote, by the by.
My Victim
Genius, why hide the whole statement:"I cannot guarantee the truth of this story," Nyriss admitted. "Those who witnessed the events no longer live to verify them. But if you had ever met the Emperor in person, you would not be so hesitant to accept the tale as fact."
I have no need to hide it. The fact remains that Nyriss is unable to verify the story's authenticity.
My Victim
And the planet Nathema itself is the proof of what he did.
Proof that he conducted his planet-draining ritual, which was never in doubt, not that he stole his father's Force powers at age 10.
My Victim
Lord Vitiate had other intentions besides performing that ritual. He wanted to devour those Sith Lords to gain incredible power.
It doesn't matter what his intent was.
The fact remains that he needed their assistance to conduct the ritual, because he couldn't do it alone. Nihilus and Sidious are not known to have needed such help.
My Victim
You're welcome. Thanks for the entertainment though.
You regard being on the wrong end of an ass-kicking as entertainment? Well that explains your social life.
Regards,
Your humble Pimpsmacker
My Victim
"His name was Lord Dramath the Second. A thousand years ago his father, the original Lord Dramath, ruled over a planet called Medriaas. He was overthrown by another Sith named Lord Vitiate, who renamed the planet Nathema. With his father’s death, the younger Lord Dramath fled. He hid on Rekkiad with a handful of loyal followers, and when he died they buried him here with the datacron."
None of this confirms that Vitiate did anything but overthrow his father. What methods were used and at what age is not confirmed by Revan.
Regards {again},
Your humble Pimpsmacker
If you actually read Dark Empire, you'd know that Sidious was stopped by "the Force and all the Jedi who came before" Luke and Leia. That's an exact quote, by the by.
That quote has as much validity as the one that stated Palpatine knew everything. That's been proven to be erroneous at best, stupidity at worse.