Originally posted by Lucius
Regardless of the initial means the Sith Emperor used to accomplish the ritual, it worked, and now he's a Force demigod.
I'm not arguing rather it worked or not. Of course it worked. But I need a little more than "he's a demigod now". Hell, I can say Nihilus is a demigod.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
We don't actually know how long it took Nihilus to drain the planet and it was still vastly less impressive than the Emperor. Furthermore, there weren't 100 jedi on Katarr. After the JCW, barely 100 jedi remained in the galaxy. It could have been 5-10 jedi for all you know. And Nihilus' hunger was killing him. The Emperor suffered none of those side effects.
Actually we do. Unseen, Unheard specifies before he starts that 'in under an hour [all would be dead]'.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually we do. Unseen, Unheard specifies before he starts that 'in under an hour [all would be dead]'.
Against Exile, you see him unleashing only a single bolt of that power in a moment.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Unseen Unheard does not reveals that how long it took Nihilus to build up for that kind of power before he spoke those words.Against Exile, you see him unleashing only a single bolt of that power in a moment.
Except we know that he can't build it up:
Kreia: 'It is not something he can direct or focus.'
Nephthys
Please do. We need you.
Honestly, I'm mildly annoyed with you. Technically, as the creator of this thread, you are responsible for all of the inane, moronic remarks made within by those whose stupidity is LeGenDary. You are the source of this dark temptation and I would kindly ask you to stop.
But I am here... should I?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Except we know that he can't build it up:Kreia: 'It is not something he can direct or focus.'
If not the Jedi Exile, he could have taken down all others in the process. And then he would only had to face Jedi Exile in combat.
Kriea is in to hyperboles too. You will know this once you will read the Revan novel.
Jedi Exile considers Revan to be more powerful then Nihilus. And Revan could not stop the Sith Emperor.
Not to forget that the Jedi Exile was no match for a single Dark Council member. And Sith Emperor eliminated several of them simultaneously.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Then why he failed to pull off that feat on Ravager?If not the Jedi Exile, he could have taken down all others in the process. And then he would only had to face Jedi Exile in combat.
Kriea is in to hyperboles too. You will know this once you will read the Revan novel.
Jedi Exile considers Revan to be more powerful then Nihilus. And Revan could not stop the Sith Emperor.
Easy. He was extremely weakened from trying ot eat the Exile and then immediately attacked. Also he was Force bonded to Visas, so trying to eat her would be like trying to eat himself, and not even a staving dog tries that. Mandalore is a non-Force sensistive, so he wouldn't even register to Nihilus, who is specifically drawn to force sensitives.
OR, since it is 'nor something he can direct' he'd have just hit the Exile with it again. And obviously he isn't going to try that again.
I've been forced to provide a reluctant pimpsmack to a certain group of people across three message boards in the form of an impressively cited and well worded reality check as to the holistic nature of Vitiate's powers and I suppose this may very well be the fourth.
The bottom line is that Vitiate is a figure of enormous power and may very well be among the most powerful Force users in the totality of canon, but he is never remotely established to be the reigning champion in anything other than his own time. His ability to drain Nathema was impressive, but required a protracted period of time and the presence of hundreds of Sith Lords. {Nihilus and Sidious, in comparison, are never stated in any source to require time or assistance in any form.} Vitiate's ability to mentally subjugate the likes of Revan and Malak is impressive, but this was contingent upon an emphatic qualifier made by Revan: "We underestimated him." The next time they met, Revan was prepared and was able to resist Vitiate's clumsy attempts to dominate his mind. Scourge and Surik were likewise prepared. {There is at least one other Sith Lord who has demonstrated the ability to thoroughly subjugate the minds of others-- and he did so on the scale of billions and quite possibly trillions.}
Originally posted by Nephthys
Easy. He was extremely weakened from trying ot eat the Exile and then immediately attacked.
Planetary wide scale of attack takes a long time of preperation, focus, and meditation.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Also he was Force bonded to Visas, so trying to eat her would be like trying to eat himself, and not even a staving dog tries that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Mandalore is a non-Force sensistive, so he wouldn't even register to Nihilus, who is specifically drawn to force sensitives.
Originally posted by Nephthys
OR, since it is 'nor something he can direct' he'd have just hit the Exile with it again. And obviously he isn't going to try that again.
He became an incredible draining machine but he was not perfect.
Are we forgetting that Satele is a direct descendant of Revan? It can be argued that she had the potential to be as powerful or surpass his command of the Force. But again that can only be argued. The Order could have possibly not taught her everything in fear that she might become another Revan. In the 'Hope' trailer, she used the Force in stop a lightsaber blade from killing her on her hand. And it seemed the blade was melting. And she was in fight with Malgus who is an extremely powerful Sith. At the time according to novelization, she was only a Knight, not a Grand Master. I'm not sure Luke wields a Force shield that strong. That's like pitting TFU 2 Starkiller against Revan. It would be an epic fail on his part.
Revan and The Exile never had kid . . . but that is yet to come. Who knows what the authors will write next. Maybe Starkiller is of the Exile bloodline.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD[/b]
You are full of shit. You have not stopped on making baseless assumptions.Read these parts carefully:
Spoiler:This time, however, Revan was ready.
Revan began to sense the oppressive presence of the dark side weighing down on him. [B]The Emperor was trying to crush his will: to dominate and enslave his mind as he had before.Instead of charging forward, he opened himself up to the Force, letting both the light and the dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers. But instead of focusing or channeling the Force, he released it in its purest form.
I don't think you need to spoil that.
Revan had previously commented that he "knew his tactics and tricks" and that he could defend against the Emperors telepathic
abilities, and taught Scourge and the Exile how to do so. This is what he is refering to when it says that he was ready for him. The actual attack does not mention anything about it resisting his telepathy.
Infact, since it specifically says that he wasn't 'focusing or channeling' it, its obvious that it wasn't meant to counter telepathy. All he did was 'released it in its purest form' aka a bigass explosion.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They could do jack shit. They were no where even close to Revan's command of the Force. Lord Scourge was already in doubts about the outcome of the duel with the Sith Emperor.You think that it is a joke to channel both the light and dark sides simultaneously and unleash the Force in its purest form? And that every tom, dick, and harry can perform this feat? 🙄
Then why would Revan teach them how to resist the Emperors telepathy? Unless maybe it isn't the same technique and his Light/Dark attack was something different.
He didn't channel it. And no, its really cool. Very good of him to be able to do that. But I don't suck Revans dick like you do.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That technique is not only mean't to counter telepathic domination, as you have assumed. Revan could use it in other ways.Read this carefully:
Spoiler:he released it in its purest form.
[B]But instead of focusing or channeling the Force,
Against Nihilus, Revan can channel that kind of power on the Sith Lord directly to dominate him. [/b]
This is pure speculation. Revan has not used the Force in that way to my knowledge and so he cannot do so in a thread
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Such is the command of the Sith Emperor in telepathic capabilities [B]that he can break the will of even a hundred powerful Sith Lords simultaneously. He simply crushes the will of his adversaries and makes them there pawns.[/b]
No one is denying that Vitiate is very powerful. He may well be among the most powerful in the mythos. But he is not leagues above others as you suggest. You'll recall that so does Nihilus. He had an entire ship full of dominated Sith.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No.Spoiler:
Nyriss told me the ritual on Nathema took days, if not weeks. And the Emperor had to trick hundreds of other powerful Sith into working with him so he could draw on their power.You are forgetting one thing; he himself survived that kind of power projection. Also, he was using the power of the dark side to perform that ritual.
Well obviously the Emperor does not have 'days, if not weeks' to prepare for a versus thread. So he can't use that power whenever he wants.
So? bane survived the destruction on Ruusan. Thats because he was the one actually carrying out the ritual, so obviously he would be free from harm. Just like the Emperor was the one conducting the ritual on Nathema, so obviously he wouldn't have to defend himself from the devestation.
So, its still a ritual. Amd I doubt his opponent will give him days to carry it out again when they fight.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here is a hint of what he became afterwards:Spoiler:
There was something strange about the Emperor's voice. It didn't sound like the voice of a single being. It had an unusual echo and resonance, almost as if a great multitude were speaking his words in perfect symphony.He possesses the power of all of those he has devored in the past.
Again, speculation.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nihilus had destroyed all life on Katarr but his attack was different in nature. He also actually performed a ritual and was not standing on the surface of Katar while he projected his power.
Bullshit. The attack is seen on screen and requires no ritual to perform.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, a lone Force-sensitive survived his attack and living beings could walk on the planet's surface afterwards.
Could they? I must have missed the level of Kotor II when you travel to Katarr and play walk-about.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The planet that Sith Emperor targeted was completetly cut off from the Force in the aftermath. No living being survived in it apart from the Sith Emperor himself who actually also pulled a Nihilus in the process. The Force was no where near its surface. It was impossible to survive on its surface for long periods. [B]The Sith Emperor actually unlocked the full destructive potential of the dark side on that planet.[/b]
Again Drew demonstrates his abilities as a hack writer:
Nihilus' attack also creates absences in the Force.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD[/b]
Here;Spoiler:forcing them to participate in the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted. Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims."
"Once they arrived on Nathema, they quickly fell under Lord Vitiate's control. He dominated their minds, crushed their resistance. He turned them into slaves to his will,But the ritual was not confined to the doomed Sith Lords. They were but the eye of the storm; the center of a vortex that spread across the entire planet. Every man, woman, and child on Nathema died that day. Every beast, bird, and fish; all the insects and plants; every living being touched by the Force was consumed. When the ritual ended, Nathema was no longer a world. It was a husk sucked dry. Lord Vitiate sacrificed millions, stealing their life force to make himself immortal. Their deaths also made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born."
Yes, yes he's very impressive.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
More;Spoiler:
The Emperor had consumed everything. Life, sound, color, even the Force—nothing remained.
He ate the sound and color?
😬
What the ****? I wasn't aware that sound and color was attached to the Force. Jesus Christ thats stupid.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
& more;Spoiler:
Destroying your enemies—even destroying a planet—was understandable. But this wasn't simple destruction. It was annihilation; obliteration. The very fabric of the Force had been shredded. Anyone capable of turning an entire planet into a nihilistic abomination had to be completely mad.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And if he was capable of surviving through that hell, can you imagine what it would take to stop him in combat situations?
He was the one performing the ritual.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
His offensive powers are sufficient to exterminate anything in his path.
Naturally. he's completely unstoppable and no-one can ever hope tpo match him ever.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Point is that we saw him unleashing a single bolt at a time. At maximum, he could have done what Kriea did in a moment?Planetary wide scale of attack takes a long time of preperation, focus, and meditation.
He could but didn't. He was weak and under attack.
No it doesn't. Kreia actually can use the attack and actually knows Nihilus a hell of a lot better than you or I and she specifically says that he can't focus it. Kreia >>>>>>>>>> you opinion.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did Nihilus not realized that Visas had cheated him? He put her in stasis too before he attacked Jedi Exile.
Yes, he did. But killing her weakens him.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Another weakness of him. The Sith Emperor has no such weakness.
You're so wonderfully objective.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The problem is that how good is he with other force abilities? Why he failed to defeat Jedi Exile and her companions with his other abilities?He became an incredible draining machine but he was not perfect.
He was capable of using telekinesis to lift his ship, the Ravager out of the gravity well of Malachor V. When the Exile attacks him he just pust the party in stasis easily. And no, he failed to defeat them because he was starved and weakened from trying to drain the Exile.
He is still one of the most powerfiul Sith Lords ever. You have a weird habit of saying people aren't perfect. No shit.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
I've been forced to provide a reluctant pimpsmack to a certain group of people across three message boards in the form of an impressively cited and well worded reality check as to the holistic nature of Vitiate's powers and I suppose this may very well be the fourth.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
The bottom line is that Vitiate is a figure of enormous power and may very well be among the most powerful Force users in the totality of canon, but he is never remotely established to be the reigning champion in anything other than his own time.
He had been the most powerful Sith Lord in the entire Galaxy for a very very long time. He lived for over a 1000 years.
He is a worthy contendor for the most powerful Sith Lord in history besides Darth Sidious and Darth Plagueis.
Even if he is finally taken down, no lone Jedi can stop him or is involved.
Spoiler:
He was only 10 years old when he stripped a Dark Lord of the Sith of his powers and killed him.
A feat comparable to that of Nihilus at that time against Darth Traya.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
His ability to drain Nathema was impressive, but required a protracted period of time and the presence of hundreds of Sith Lords. {Nihilus and Sidious, in comparison, are never stated in any source to require time or assistance in any form.}
In case of