Thor VS Wolverine (With a Red Lantern Ring)

Originally posted by wildernesss
logan recently defeated the grey hulk and has beaten hercules with only his bone claws. not to mention he recently went right through gladiator with his claws. through stealth, he has more than a chance against thor.

you have, on panel, thor admitting that logan is faster than he is and that he could not even connect with a single hammer strike while not holding back whatsoever. when he finally did hit logan, it barely even registered with logan, much less KO him. not to mention that when logan jumped on thor's back the fight would have ended right there if logan had pierced thor's throat, heart, or whatever. at close quartersand with stealth & accuracy, logan could beat thor. it's only thor's more esoteric hammer usage (used at a distance) that gives thor the edge against standard logan.

for this fight, does thor retain his memory of his previous encounters with logan or not?

Originally posted by Starscream M
hey wilderness...can you clear something up:

for this fight, does thor retain his memory of his previous encounters with logan or not?

The thread is on its twelfth page. Making changes now would be redundant.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The thread is on its twelfth page. Making changes now would be redundant.

Originally posted by Starscream M
hey wilderness...can you clear something up:

for this fight, does thor retain his memory of his previous encounters with logan or not?

ya, I think he would remember. however, he would be totally unfamiliar with the capabilities of the red lantern ring; and logan flying around would really throw thor off his game.

Originally posted by Starscream M
its a clarification, not a change really.

It would be a change, considering that the rules clearly state that unless otherwise specified, characters have previous knowledge.

Originally posted by wildernesss
logan recently defeated the grey hulk and has beaten hercules with only his bone claws. not to mention he recently went right through gladiator with his claws. through stealth, he has more than a chance against thor.

you have, on panel, thor admitting that logan is faster than he is and that he could not even connect with a single hammer strike while not holding back whatsoever. when he finally did hit logan, it barely even registered with logan, much less KO him. not to mention that when logan jumped on thor's back the fight would have ended right there if logan had pierced thor's throat, heart, or whatever. at close quarters and with stealth & accuracy, logan could beat thor. it's only thor's more esoteric hammer usage (used at a distance) that gives thor the edge against standard logan.

I like how you keep ignoring that Thor was holding back and yet still managed to hit, block and catch Wolverine and that when Thor got annoyed...he ended the fight in a few seconds.

Originally posted by wildernesss
ya, I think he would remember. however, he would be totally unfamiliar
with the capabilities of the red lantern ring.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ok thanks for the clarification

Why did you need "clarification"?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why did you need "clarification"?

Originally posted by wildernesss
logan recently defeated the grey hulk

When was this?

Originally posted by wildernesss
and has beaten hercules with only his bone claws. not to mention he recently went right through gladiator with his claws.

Pretty sure that was off panel against a mortal Hercules. Hurray for Logan I guess.

Originally posted by wildernesss
through stealth, he has more than a chance against thor.

He tried using stealth twice in his fight with Thor. His chances even with stealth will be even worse against Thor as he'll expect Logan to try stealth which he can easily counter.

Originally posted by wildernesss
you have, on panel, thor admitting that logan is faster than he is and that he could not even connect with a single hammer strike while not holding back whatsoever.

Thor was definitely holding back, what the hell is wrong with you?

Logan dodged two hammer strikes. Thor was able to grab Logan's ankle and struck him twice.

Originally posted by wildernesss
when he finally did hit logan, it barely even registered with logan, much less KO him.

That's bull.

Originally posted by wildernesss
not to mention that when logan jumped on thor's back the fight would have ended right there if logan had pierced thor's throat, heart, or whatever.

I love hypothetical scenarios like this, mostly because it completely ignores the retaliation capabilities of the other character.

For the record, Logan did stab Thor, it just didn't do much.

Originally posted by wildernesss
at close quarters and with stealth & accuracy, logan could beat thor.

He already tried and failed. Logan can't do any better, while Thor can up his game significantly.

Originally posted by wildernesss
it's only thor's more esoteric hammer usage (used at a distance) that gives thor the edge against standard logan.

If Thor fights approaches a fight against Logan as anything except as a brick, it's no longer fair.

Thor doesn't have to be at a distance to wreck Logan. Go ahead, press the matter, I love educating people.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how you keep ignoring that Thor was holding back and yet still managed to hit, block and catch Wolverine and that when Thor got annoyed...he ended the fight in a few seconds.

I like how you ignore the fact that thor stated, on panel, that he was using his "Finest" hammer strikes against logan. go back and read it.

"Finest" = not holding back

and even when he did connect with a hammer strike (when logan jumped on thor's back & could have ended it) it was barely even a fly swat to logan, much less KO worthy. that's a Fail.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I just wasn't sure.

Why weren't you sure?

Feel free to list the fight threads that caused your confusion on this matter.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why weren't you sure?

Feel free to list the fight threads that caused your confusion on this matter.

He's just being difficult.

Originally posted by wildernesss
I like how you ignore the fact that thor stated, on panel, that he was using his "Finest" hammer strikes against logan. go back and read it.

and even when he did connect with a hammer strike (when logan jumped on thor's back & could have ended it) it was barely even a fly swat to logan, but less KO worthy. that's a Fail.

A simple comparison of other Thor fights would show that those weren't even close to his "finest" hammer strikes.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He tried using stealth twice in his fight with Thor. His chances even with stealth will be even worse against Thor as he'll expect Logan to try stealth which he can easily counter.

I'd like to add that ny OP he's in berserker rage and wears a red ring, so... there goes the stealth. Not to mention that this is an arena fight where Thor knows he's coming and can simply fly high.

Originally posted by wildernesss
I like how you ignore the fact that thor stated, on panel, that he was using his "Finest" hammer strikes against logan. go back and read it.

"Finest" = not holding back

Originally posted by Parmaniac
On panel evidence > Character statements.

Thor has a history of holding back against:
- Mortals.
- Allies.
- Mind controlled foes.

Logan was both. IIRC, even at the end he asked Logan if he unharmed. Thor wanted Wolverine to snap out of it but claiming he wasn't holding back is ridiculous.

Thor can operate at levels so much higher than the one seen in that comic, that just thinking about a Wolverine/Thor battle is laughable.

Originally posted by Silent Master
A simple comparison of other Thor fights would show that those weren't even close to his "finest" hammer strikes.

lolz. how would you know? thor couldn't even connect with them. he has to connect with a hammer strike before you can measure the effect.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor has a history of holding back against:
- Mortals.
- Allies.
- Mind controlled foes.

Logan was both. IIRC, even at the end he asked Logan if he unharmed. Thor wanted Wolverine to snap out of it but claiming he wasn't holding back is ridiculous.

Thor can operate at levels so much higher than the one seen in that comic, that just thinking about a Wolverine/Thor battle is laughable.

Just to make sure I'm not saying Wolverine takes this 10/10 I said earlier that I think can take some my real argument started that Thor effortlessly beats him in close combat which I personally doubt considering Wolverine's retaded showings in the past when it comes to piercing shit.

Originally posted by wildernesss
lolz. how would you know? thor couldn't even connect with them. he has to connect with a hammer strike before you can measure the effect.

Thor did connect with Wolverine during that story, so what is your stance, that Wolverine dodged all Thor "finest" blows but couldn't dodge the one where Thor was massively holding back?