Originally posted by -Pr-Lobo is a bad example, the logical and all.
I think Lobo too.
Krona was hurt by it.
Atrocitus 1 shotted Larfleezes consructs that turned to black lanterns.
I'll have to check my Atrocitus folder for more examples.
And I never said that the salive one-shots Thor but if it would hit it would cause constant pain and that shit is liquid rage that keeps burning like fire that can't get extinguished.
Originally posted by cdtm
I don't think Black Lanterns could even feel pain, being dead.Lobo too. He used to cry out in pain, but lately you can pretty much rip out his organs or tear him to shreds and he won't react like he felt it.
Yeah, but they're the only examples I could think of.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Lobo is a bad example, the logical and all.Krona was hurt by it.
Atrocitus 1 shotted Larfleezes consructs that turned to black lanterns.
I'll have to check my Atrocitus folder for more examples.
And I never said that the salive one-shots Thor but if it would hit it would cause constant pain and that shit is liquid rage that keeps burning like fire that can't get extinguished.
Maybe, but that was Atrocitus. If we gave Logan a GL ring, we wouldn't give him Hal's feats.
Expert at using a power ring =/= Atrocitus' feats.
But I'm a nice guy anyway, so feel free to bring up these great Atrocitus feats that exist to justify Wolverine beating Thor. In fact, I've asked for any on panel evidence of feats from actual Red Lanterns pages ago. This is the furthest we've gotten on that behalf, actually.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankhis vomit has been powerful enough to break through hal's constructs....which certainly means thor will be hurt
Expert at using a power ring =/= Atrocitus' feats.But I'm a nice guy anyway, so feel free to bring up these great Atrocitus feats that exist to justify Wolverine beating Thor. In fact, I've asked for any on panel evidence of feats from actual Red Lanterns pages ago.
Originally posted by Starscream M
his vomit has been powerful enough to break through hal's constructs....which certainly means thor will be hurt
Context, bro.
The red energy of the emotional color spectrum specifically is at an advantage over the green. Rage warps Willpower.
His vomit can't break through Mjolnir, though, which sucks for him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankmjolnir is not a shield
Context, bro.The red energy of the emotional color spectrum specifically is at an advantage over the green. Rage warps Willpower.
His vomit can't break through Mjolnir, though, which sucks for him.
and vomit is not a beam
I'll let you figure out the rest...
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Then why the hell even ask for feats?Am I supposed to show Wolverine spitting on people?
It's not that the Red Lanterns are 20 years old comics witha shitload of guest apperances...
They can maybe give us some rough gauge.
I'm sorry it's not easy but we aren't the ones who made the stipulations. Using Atrocitus' feats for Wolverine is a flawed argument.
Originally posted by cdtm
Mm.. It kind of does.If you can't pull feats from existing Red Lanterns, you'd have zero feats for Logan. How can you even make a case for him than?
Not really, but to be fair for Logan, it's a necessary evil.
It's just that people aren't even using actual feats. They just make shit up without knowing what they're talking about.
We really shouldn't use Atrocitus feats, but the OP probably intended for Logan to be on that level....which is hilarious because even with such an amp, Wolverine still can't beat Thor.
Originally posted by Starscream M
we don't have many other red lanterns to use...so atrocitus is a good proxy for expert usage.
That's not my problem.
How does one lead to another? Atrocitus is a good proxy for the best of the Red Lantern corps. I think it's pretty clear at this point that even among experts, there are large gaps.
It's like trying to use Surfer's feats for Nova if that example fits.
Whatever feats are available should be posted so that sort of case can be made for Logan but I'm not going to use flawed reasoning just to make it easy for the other side.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's not my problem.How does one lead to another? Atrocitus is a good proxy for the best of the Red Lantern corps. I think it's pretty clear at this point that even among experts, there are large gaps.
It's like trying to use Surfer's feats for Nova if that example fits.
Or Using Batman's feats for random martial arts "master".
Originally posted by Starscream M
he's expert with the ring (according to OP), so atrocitus' feats are valid
No, they aren't.
Originally posted by Starscream M
his vomit has been powerful enough to break through hal's constructs....which certainly means thor will be hurt
Faulty logic. Red energy is specifically designed to damage other Lantern constructs.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Then why the hell even ask for feats?Am I supposed to show Wolverine spitting on people?
It's not that the Red Lanterns are 20 years old comics witha shitload of guest apperances...
There are other red lanterns with other feats. You can use Atrocitus' low-standard feats, maybe, but not high ones. it's the same deal we use with the other lanterns.
Originally posted by Starscream M
we don't have many other red lanterns to use...so atrocitus is a good proxy for expert usage.
except that saying logan would = atrocitus would be like saying he had equal willpower and experience and knowledge to hal with a gl ring.
atrocitus is to other red lanterns what hal or ganthet or kyle is to standard green lanterns.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I find it rather telling that Wolverine has to be spotted a ring and expert level skill in order to have a chance against Thor.
logan recently defeated the grey hulk and has beaten hercules with only his bone claws. not to mention he recently went right through gladiator with his claws. through stealth, he has more than a chance against thor.
you have, on panel, thor admitting that logan is faster than he is and that he could not even connect with a single hammer strike while not holding back whatsoever. when he finally did hit logan, it barely even registered with logan, much less KO him. not to mention that when logan jumped on thor's back the fight would have ended right there if logan had pierced thor's throat, heart, or whatever. at close quarters and with stealth & accuracy, logan could beat thor. it's only thor's more esoteric hammer usage (used at a distance) that gives thor the edge against standard logan.