I bet you also think that the supernova in Star Trek really threatened the whole galaxy too, huh? uhuh
Either way I'm labeling that as too stupid to be true. Like this.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats a false comparison because it isn't the same ritual, whereas Sidious is still using the same technique. Plus its explained why Vitiates ritual is so powerful; because its fueled by countless deaths across the galaxy.
I didn't really address this point properly. I thought you were dismissing the quote about Palpatine's force storm because it wasn't a ritual. That's what I get for skim reading. I apologize for missing it.
Anyway, the force storm that was said to threaten all of space was not the same one as the one he used to transport Luke. But it's still irrelevant for the reason I posted earlier. And as far as Vitiate's ritual, I was under the impression that it was designed to increase his power and and life, which is basically what the panet-wide ritual was used for: to one up himself in power. Same purpose; greater result.
Originally posted by Dolos
What???
"With such unlimited power, could he plant the seeds of life and raise a new galaxy from the old one’s ashes?"
Source: http://www.swtor-spy.com/codex/the-emperors-plan-knight/324/
Originally posted by Dolos
"Knowledge in the dark side" is pneuma, which is the power of one's essence in this sense, separate from, and transcendental to, their midi-chlorian counts/anima.
Potential = anima
Mastery = pneuma
Right?
Originally posted by Dolos
Anyway, the Dark Empire Sourcebook writes this:
Originally posted by Dolos
As Plagueis explains, it is not easy to dominate a being with a greater amount of midi-chlorians, you'd have to dominate the midi-chlorians for them to allow acceptance.
Originally posted by Dolos
And yet he never matched Sidious' accomplishments, he was less clever and ultimately possessed less influence over the dark side, and his spirit possessed less power because of it.
Sidious and Vitiate grew up in very different conditions.
Vitiate's ascension to power is an accomplishment never duplicated in all of the galactic history. Ever heard of a child managing to conquer an entire world?
Sidious emerged from the lineage of RoT which was the product of a lesson learned from a very long history of failures in the past. Sidious started his career within the Republic itself as a politician and put his talents to good use.
The condition of Republic during Sidious's era was like this:
One Sith Lord survived—Darth Bane—and his vision for the Sith differed from that of his predecessors. He instituted a new doctrine: No longer would the followers of the dark side build empires or amass great armies of Force-users. There would be only two Sith at a time: a Master and an apprentice. From that time on, the Sith remained in hiding, biding their time and plotting their revenge, while the rest of the galaxy enjoyed an unprecedented era of peace, so long and strong that the Republic eventually dismantled its standing armies.
But while the Republic seemed strong, its institutions had begun to rot. Greedy corporations sought profits above all else and a corrupt Senate did nothing to stop them, until the corporations reduced many planets to raw materials for factories and entire species became subjects for exploitation. Individual Jedi continued to defend the Republic’s citizens and obey the will of the Force, but the Jedi Order to which they answered grew increasingly out of touch. And a new Sith mastermind, Darth Sidious, at last saw a way to restore Sith domination over the galaxy and its inhabitants, and quietly worked to set in motion the revenge of the Sith … (SWTOR: Revan)
No wonder, Sidious took advantage of such conditions. Perhaps he is unparalleled in the art of manipulation.
Regardless, Vitiate was also an excellent decision-maker and an evil genius; he saved the Sith from extermination after the devastating Great Hyperspace War and managed to reconstitute another Sith Empire (in previously undiscovered regions after decades of searching to escape the Republic's notice) whose existence he concealed for over a thousand years while doing everything in his power to transform it to a role-model superpower (which it indeed was for even future Empires) and this is his another epic accomplishment.
Greatest threat to the Sith Order is internal power struggles; to overcome this issue, Vitiate used his incredible powers to develop and operate his own (excellent) powerbase through which he greatly enhanced his personal safety, reach and remained alert to potential threats to the Empire and himself.
Vitiate, while concealing his own Empire, still managed to influence Galactic events; he inspired the Mandalorians to destroy the Republic; later on, he initiated the Jedi Civil War within the Republic to destroy the Jedi Order as well and his plans almost succeeded. However, the Force works in mysterious ways and attempts to counter imbalance.
Then the Jedi began searching for this hidden threat but;
The Jedi dispatched scouts and spies to learn as much as they could about his new enemy and its enigmatic leader. However the Sith Emperor was a master of subterfuge and misdirection, continually thwarting all efforts to uncover his dark secrets.
Most Jedi who ventured into Imperial space vanished without a trace, but a few managed to send back disturbing messages to their Masters. These fragmented communiques showed the Emperor's Jedi pursuers descending into fear, madness, and evil when faced with his power. It quickly became clear the Sith Emperor was more than a brilliant military strategist and cunning political leader. He was a living embodiment of the dark side of the Force who delighted in destroying the minds and spirits of those Jedi who came too close to him. (SWTORE, Page 88)
Less influence over the dark side?
Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. (SWTORE, Page 161)
My previous assessment was an understatement.
The Sith Emperor eventually forged a plan to destroy the entire (Star Wars) Galaxy itself and I wonder what kind of dark side nexus would result from this accomplishment. No other Sith have ever come close to acquire understanding of the dark arts to pull off a destructive feat of this scale.
Originally posted by Dolos
Whereas Sidious absorbed MORE life because he took a lot less from more WAAY MORE subjects. He literally coordinated an overpopulation of Byss' inhabitants, "drawing travelers to become denizens of Byss' capital city" and consumed these life forces over a six year period of a time, whilst commanding immigrants for an increasing population to benefit from.
Originally posted by Dolos
Compounding this, Vitiate never displayed the influence over the dark side necessary for something like dark side wormholes that tapped into its infinite aperion. Sidious wasn't even drained from it. He just did it instantly, without a ritual. Now that's a command over the dark side only Nihilus came close to. Nihilus was eventually able to Force drain a planet of his own volition instantly and without effort. And Nihilus was more parasitic in nature than any of the others. A wound that deep happened to pull more immediate pneuma from aperion than Vitiate, and Sidious more so than that. Sorry.
Originally posted by Dolos
Yes, he could.
Originally posted by Dolos
Exponentially more than Vitiate to be assured.
Originally posted by Dolos
More vagueness than mystery. Although it doesn't take much to put two and two together.
Though his power was immense by all accounts; he managed to force all of the extremely deadly and rebellious spirits and other horrors trapped within the Dark Temple in to submission when he occupied this most haunted building (in the Galaxy) to commence his Galaxy-busting ritual. Dark Temple was so dangerous that only the bravest individuals in the Galaxy would dare to venture inside it to gain access to its amazing treasures and majority of the times such expeditions ended in disaster.
Originally posted by Dolos
That was only AFTER he traveled to Korriban to seek other solutions. The Oracle Stone, which literally communes with the dark side itself, wished it. Perhaps because as a Skywalker, the most important element of the Rebellion, Sidious would be at a massive strategical advantage. Thus the dark side would compensate, aperion energies would flood Sidious' pnuema, increasing his powers greater than Vitiate's Force ritual which would ultimately leave the dark side's power over the light side stagnant as opposed to Sidious' alternative progressive improvement in the dark side's power over the light side.
Originally posted by Dolos
Sidious will always be the greatest Sith in history. In both power and success. He was practical, and because of that he turned out more results than plotting, forceful military might, or inquired speculations.
If Anakin had not intervened, Mace would have killed him. Yes, credit still goes to Sidious for seducing Anakin to the dark side; an accomplishment that would reshape Galactic events. However, his greatest accomplishment is that he transformed the Republic into a Sith Empire from within. As far as the Jedi Order is concerned, he came close to exterminating the Jedi but wasn't the only one to accomplish this task in history.
Both (Darth) Revan and Vitiate were Sith masterminds and would have conquered the Republic (even through external means) if not felled by betrayals. The history of Sith is plagued with betrayals unfortunately.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
How do we know that if the ritual worked, that it would have wiped out the entire galaxy? Where is the quote?
In addition;
Aided by his powerful. secretive, and far-reaching powerbase, the Emperor pulls strings across the Galaxy to carry out his master stroke - the details of which only the Emperor knows. Should he succeed in his plans, the Emperor will conquer death itself and become the most powerful being in all of galactic history. (SWTORE, Page 161)
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
BTW, Star Wars: The Comics Companion says that Palpatine's force storm threatened to consume "all of space."
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vitiate's rituals has only been shown to consume an entire planet. Suddenly being able to consume a galaxy is retarded beyond reason as well.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Why should we dismiss one statement, but not the other?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Except that Palpatine's force storm was in the process of doing so. The storm he unleashed over Pinnacle base was the storm that threatened to consume all of space, but Palpatine was stopped, just like Vitiate's ritual was stopped.
Sidious did summon the Force Storm but he lost control of it because the Jedi severed/effected his connection with the Force. The Jedi escaped while Sidious's Force Storm destroyed a fleet? It didn't consume all of space....