Revan vs ROTS Sidious

Started by Nephthys6 pages

Did Revan display any great ability with a lightsaber in the book?

Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
This is not effortless. You would do well to become more acquainted with the relevant source material or at least pretend to try to be a little less dishonest.

Let me give you the whole picture:

He make a joke out of Palpatine.

1. He prevented Kota from getting tooled by Palpatine. And paved way for his escape.
2. He blocked Palpatine' Force Lightning with his bare hands.
3. He lowered his guard to kill the guards that were pursuing Kota while enduring Palpatine' Force Lightning at the same time.
4. He then strode towards Palpatine and gave him a taste of his own medicine.

The supposed 'image of invincibility' of Palpatine got shattered right there.

He was strong enough to handle that pain. No big deal.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku didn't want to kill Anakin. He and Sidious had plans for him, as revealed in the ROTS novel. Nor did he want to kill Opress.

He did not wanted to kill Yoda too, right?

You can make an excuse in case of Anakin. But not in case of other characters.

Nephthys
Did Revan display any great ability with a lightsaber in the book?

Not really. But we'll see if Revan's three resident acolytes can conjure up a properly cited and well sourced argument {you know, with text and page numbers} as to the nature of his abilities as a dueler.

The only mention of him with a saber was during his fight against the Mandalorians. But hey, as far as I know, he's never lost a duel, force or otherwise, until he met the emperor.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

1. He prevented Kota from getting tooled by Palpatine. And paved way for his escape.
2. He blocked Palpatine' Force Lightning with his bare hands.
3. He lowered his guard to kill the guards that were pursuing Kota while enduring Palpatine' Force Lightning at the same time.
4. He then strode towards Palpatine and gave him a taste of his own medicine.
5. Then Palpy killed him.

Fixed.

SWL
Let me give you the whole picture:

No, allow me.

This is what you initially claimed:

SWL
Galen Marek also effortlessely blocked Sidiou's Force Lightning with bare hands.

I quoted the relevant source material and conclusively proved you wrong.

This is the part where you concede the point and apologize for your dishonest, hopelessly biased tactics. Or, failing that, where all of us put you on ignore because we don't associate with dishonest trolls.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He did not wanted to kill Yoda too, right?

You can make an excuse in case of Anakin. But not in case of other characters.

No, I'm pretty sure he wanted to kill Yoda. Except for that bit in Dark Rendevous where he tries to turn Yoda to the darkside and shits his pants when it looks like he's actually considering it.

Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
Not really. But we'll see if Revan's three resident acolytes can conjure up a properly cited and well sourced argument {you know, with text and page numbers} as to the nature of his abilities as a dueler.

Revan had a lightsaber in his hand in this picture:

Therefore we can glean that he focused on lightsabers, so his lightsaber skill MUST be even greater than his Forceitude. Also we can clearly see that he outdualed a guy armed with a rifle, so clearly he is really, really good.

Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
Not really. But we'll see if Revan's three resident acolytes can conjure up a properly cited and well sourced argument {you know, with text and page numbers} as to the nature of his abilities as a dueler.

1. Revan brought down a Basilisk War Droid and his rider with just a few strikes of his Lightsaber.

2. Revan comfortably deflected blaster fire from highly skilled Mandalorians.

3. Revan tooled a Sith Emperor's empowered Imperial Guard with his dueling abilities. The Sith Emperor's Imperial Guards were formidable opponents for Jedi, able to draw on the power of the dark side of the Sith Emperor, and were skilled in combat.

4. Revan could predict dueling actions of his opponents in advance (Battle Precognition). He also performed arcobatics while dueling his opponents.

Revan was no pushover. He attempted to take out Lord Vitiate with his lightsaber but did not got the chance.

Beating Mandore is impressive. Even Ulic, who was a saber prodigy, struggled with the Mandalore of his day.

Mandalore brought a gun to a lightsaber fight. Beating him really isn't that impressive.

That logic only makes sense when you intentionally try to downplay a feat to further your argument.

Nephthys
Mandalore brought a gun to a lightsaber fight. Beating him really isn't that impressive.

I'm not sure if you got the memo, but beating a non-Force sensitive warrior is absolutely impressive if it's on Revan's curriculum vitae. For other characters, wasting lifelong Jedi is paltry in comparison.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
Fixed.

Wrong. Galen sacrificed himself actually. He gave himself to the Force.

Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
I'm not sure if you got the memo, but beating a non-Force sensitive warrior is absolutely impressive if it's on Revan's curriculum vitae. For other characters, wasting lifelong Jedi is paltry in comparison.

The same warrior who put Malak on his @ss with a single strike. Mandalore The Ultimate had a sword as well.

Using gideon's logic, the saber prodigy Ulic must have sucked because he struggled against a non force user.

Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
No, allow me.

This is what you initially claimed:

SWL
Galen Marek also effortlessely blocked Sidiou's Force Lightning with bare hands.

I quoted the relevant source material and conclusively proved you wrong.

This is the part where you concede the point and apologize for your dishonest, hopelessly biased tactics. Or, failing that, where all of us put you on ignore because we don't associate with dishonest trolls.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Using gideon's logic, the saber prodigy Ulic must have sucked because he struggled against a non force user.

Um, Mandalore had a freaking Basalisk War droid in his fight against Ulic, he started at range and had the high ground, and Ulic still kicked his ass pretty damn easily.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

His Force Lightning did not kill Anakin who was very young during Battle of Geonosis. His Force Lightning did not kill Oppress who had yet to properly tap in to his potential and Oppress sustained several Force Lightning barrages from Count Dooku.

The best I have seen from Dooku was incapacitating Sora Bulq with his Force Lightning, who isn't that big of a deal.

Force Lightning has never been a strong aspect of Count Dooku. He has much more impressive showings with his telekinetic abilities.

Bull. He took out 3 armed Nightsisters with his FL. One of them was Ventress.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nor did he want to kill Opress.

More Bull.