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Using gideon's logic, the saber prodigy Ulic must have sucked because he struggled against a non force user.
No, my logic dictates that non-Force sensitives are almost always at a tremendous disadvantage when it comes to battling Force users and neither you nor SWL have made even the tiniest effort to {with properly cited and sourced arguments} explain why I should be impressed by Revan's defeat of Mandalore other than by casually mentioning Ulic's struggle with a different Mandalore.
I don't share your love for Revan and you need to accept that as well as the fact that if you expect anyone here beyond Janus and SWL to believe you, you need to start posting properly cited and sourced arguments.
Concede or get to work.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
I'm not sure if you got the memo, but beating a non-Force sensitive warrior is absolutely impressive if it's on Revan's curriculum vitae. For other characters, wasting lifelong Jedi is paltry in comparison.
Here is Palpatine's experience:
With shaking fingers, he took the old man's bony shoulders in his hands and gripped them tight. The Sith lightning spread to engulf the two of them, fueled by both their desperations. The Emperor tipped back his head and howled in lascivious pain.
Prior to this, Galen even performed a Force attack while lowering his guard down while tolerating the Force Lightning of Palpatine.
If Galen was really so much struggling? How did he pulled all of these moves? Tell me?
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
No, my logic dictates that non-Force sensitives are almost always at a tremendous disadvantage when it comes to battling Force users and neither you nor SWL have made even the tiniest effort to {with properly cited and sourced arguments} explain why I should be impressed by Revan's defeat of Mandalore other than by casually mentioning Ulic's struggle with a different Mandalore.I don't share your love for Revan and you need to accept that as well as the fact that if you expect anyone here beyond Janus and SWL to believe you, you need to start posting properly cited and sourced arguments.
Concede or get to work.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
SWL, concede that the effort was not effortless on Marek's part and prove you operate with a bare modicum of honesty or you're going to have to endure here the same phenomenon you endured in all of your schooling and home life: No one will be speaking to you.
Also, I am sensing helplessness in you since your arguments are getting busted.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilersYou don't expect anyone other than neph or LS to believe you so looks like you have your work cut out. The fact that you have to point out that you don't share my love for a particular character is enough for anyone to question your motives in this debate. The other fact is that I never argued Revan would win a saber battle and your reactive attitude has come full circle. Good show though.
No, my logic dictates that non-Force sensitives are almost always at a tremendous disadvantage when it comes to battling Force users and neither you nor SWL have made even the tiniest effort to {with properly cited and sourced arguments} explain why I should be impressed by Revan's defeat of Mandalore other than by casually mentioning Ulic's struggle with a different Mandalore.I don't share your love for Revan and you need to accept that as well as the fact that if you expect anyone here beyond Janus and SWL to believe you, you need to start posting properly cited and sourced arguments.
Concede or get to work.
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You don't expect anyone other than neph or LS to believe you so looks like you have your work cut out. The fact that you have to point out that you don't share my love for a particular character is enough for anyone to question your motives in this debate. The other fact is that I never argued Revan would win a saber battle and your reactive attitude has come full circle. Good show though.
My motives are entirely irrelevant; Janus routinely posts in threads with the intent to belittle or undermine Sidious, but it doesn't matter as long as his arguments are valid.
I never claimed you argued that Revan would win the saber fight. But you did claim that his defeat of Mandalore is impressive without properly explaining why. That is a claim you need to either support or concede.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonMandalore vs. Ulic as well as Revans fight which wasn't a walk in the park.
The fact that Mandalore, regardless of time period, is more than a match for a Jedi. But the point is that while Revans skill with a saber is largely unknown, he's undefeated as far as we know.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
According to what source?Those are significant qualifiers.
And now read this:
Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order’s most powerful champion.
See how powerful Revan was?
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Mandalore vs. Ulic
According to Neph, it was hardly a conventional duel and while an impressive feat of combat, not necessarily an impressive display of lightsaber dueling. It's the contextual and environmental difference, I think.
Consider that Jango Fett was able to go toe-to-toe with Obi-Wan Kenobi given certain contextual concessions: Obi-Wan was ordered to bring him in alive and Fett was assisted considerably by Boba, who was operating the Slave I's armaments to aid his father. Even then, Kenobi consistently dominated Fett despite his considerable experience and skill in combat.
When Fett was on relatively even terrain with Mace Windu, who wasn't operating under such scruples, Fett was killed rather quickly and in short order.
The latter is more of a strict duel than the former and it made all the difference in the world for poor Fett.
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as well as Revans fight which wasn't a walk in the park.
Yes, but we're not given exact details as to why this wasn't an easy fight. It doesn't necessarily mean that Mandalore went literally toe-to-toe with Revan.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
When Fett was on relatively even terrain with Mace Windu, who wasn't operating under such scruples, Fett was killed rather quickly and in short order.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The same Malak who lost to an untrained Jarael?
Also, Jarael had won in such sparring matches against other Jedi too. She was a skilled fighter.
And that was start of Malak. He became far more powerful afterwards and reached to a point of being nearly unstoppable.
Come up with better excuses next time.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It was just a sparring contest. Malak was not trying to kill her. He actually had soft corner for her.Also, Jarael had won in such sparring matches against other Jedi too. She was a skilled fighter.
And that was start of Malak. He became far more powerful afterwards and reached to a point of being nearly unstoppable.
Come up with better excuses next time.
Yes it was the start of Malaks career. Which is also when Mandalore bested him, correct? That he would go on to be empowered by the Star Forge into becoming almost unstoppable is irrelevent because at the time he was not a particularly impressive combatant.