Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How have you assumed this? Just because we have limited information on combat feats of Nyriss? Your point is utterly baseless.
We have limited info on her and tons of info, feats and statements on other characters. Yes, I declare her a weakling next to the big boys
This is a tall claim. Has Yoda ever effortlessely blocked 12 extremely lethal Lightning bolts with bare hands simultaneously and redirected them back?
Why, yes. Palpatine generating far more than '12' bolts of lightning with his hands
Because Yoda could not handle it, it means that others could not?Being powerful does not guarantees that the character would be epic in every aspect of the Force.
Revenge of the Sith novelization, canon proof Yoda is stronger than your favorite Jedi:
Finally, he saw the truth. This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known . . .
Here is an analogy: Satele Shan blocked a Lightsaber strike with bare hands. Master Yoda never performed this feat.
Actually, he doesn't have to. Corran Horn has done that hyimself. Also, learn your techniques:
It's called force absorb. Yoda does it all the time when fighting sith, but lightning isn't the only thing that can be absorbed. A force sensitive talented enough can absorb saber energy and use that energy against their enemy.
Satele absorbed the energy from Malgus's saber, like Nejaa Halcyon did against Nikkos Tyris.
Whereas Yoda absorbed the energy from force lightning. from Count Dooku
This sounds like a brain drain to me. She tooled two accomplished warriors simultaneously; Lord Scourge and Jedi Exile. Both of them were powerful.
Dooku tooled Sora Bulq and Master Tholme together. He tooled Quinlan Vos. He tooled anakin and Obi-wan together. He tooled General Grievous. He-
Oh, one gets the point.
Dooku is capable of producing a lightning storm that turned a room full of guards into smoking corpses. Yeah, one really gets the point
Don't even mention Cound Dooku here. He was powerful but nothing extraordinary. Like all characters, he had his strengths and limitations.
His limitation was his age and arrogance. Dooku was one of the most powerful Jedi alive and that's before he got even stronger in the Dark Side. He was quite extraordinary.
Here is a glimpse of Lord Scourge's dueling prowess:SCOURGE WAS AN EXPERT SWORDSMAN; at the Academy even the instructors had been reluctant to face him in the training ring. [B]When the dark side flowed through him, his blade was more than a weapon. It became an extension of his will.
Source: SWTOR Revan novel
Oh, man, are you really comparing Scourge's dueling prowess to Count Dooku?
Jedi vs. Sith names him as one of the most gifted duelists in history
Labyrinth of Evil confirms his absolute mastery of Form II, though he aintains a full knowledge of others.
The Episode 2 novelization states that his mastery of Form II is unmartched
Wow, a group of unnamed nobodies were skittish around Scourge
His preferred combat styles were Juyo, Ataru, and Soresu.
Dooku defeated Obi-wan, the greatest Soresu master who ever lived. He defeated Sora Bulq, a master of Vaapad (IE: Juyo taken to a greater level), and was far better than qui-Gon, an Ataru master.
And Nyriss stated this about Lord Scourge:“I have studied your records from the Academy and observed your battle with the mercenaries in my courtyard,” she said at last. “You have a special gift. You do not just feed on the raw emotions of your foe; you gorge yourself on them. You feast on their primal fear. It amplifies your hate and anger. It fuels the power of the Force. It transforms you into an instrument of death and destruction.”
Source: SWTOR Revan novel
Congratulations, Scourge can do what Dark Siders do. Guess what? Your opponent's hate, anger, fear, etc? If you're a Sith Lord, drinking in that is expected of you.
And yet this guy was finding it hard to make an offensive move against Nyriss when she dueling him:Scourge barely managed to parry the first wave of her assault, unable to even think about countering with an attack of his own. Another quick thrust forced him off balance and he staggered backward.
Wow. Dooku effortlessly crushed people like Grievous, Asajj Ventress and Sora and Tholme.
People with real feats
Lord Nyriss was no pushover when it came to affairs of Sith:Nyriss had held on to her position for the past twenty years; to do so required as much cunning and intelligence as raw power.
He can do better job then Yoda in this case.
Prove it. You whine incessantly how good Nyriss (A mid-tier Sith by any account) is, but Palpatine is stronger than her. And her master.
Yoda failed to effortlessly block what he had. And Dooku's displayed far stronger force powers and saber prowess.
Nyriss is a very powerful Sith Lord. She proved her immense abilities by defeating both Lord Scourge and Jedi Exile simultaneously. No need to make baseless assumptions.
Dooku is a much more powerful Sith Lord and proved it by defeating tons of people on multiple occasions
Luke's command of the Force was no where near to the level of Yoda by ROTJ.
It was strong enough to overwhelm Vader
And oh, look, how your narrative shifts. Luke blocked a storm of lightning from a Nightsister.
Galen Marek also effortlessely blocked Sidiou's Force Lightning with bare hands. Master Yoda is not unqiue in this regard.
You lie.
"The pain was incredible, searing every nerve back to its individual cells,
skewering each of them on white-hot needles. He had never before felt
anything like this. He wanted to recoil from the source, to curl into a ball
and let unconsciousness take the pain away, but somehow he stayed
standing, seeing the world through a crackling blue light, and even took a
step toward the Emperor"
Lord Vitiate is actually comparable to DE incarnation of Sidious and has some incredible feats to his name. Revan himself was no joke:
Hardly. Vitiate is weaker than Palpatine. And probably Plagueis, too, if the novel's synopsis is any indication.
She still wasn’t sure what to make of Lord Scourge. She had sensed that his offer to work together was sincere, though she wondered how much of that was Revan’s doing. It was easy to understand how Scourge could be drawn to him; Revan’s command of the Force was greater than that of anyone else she had ever met. And she knew how charismatic he could be.Source: SWTOR Revan novel
Oh, so she met people who lived after her time period?
You what this means?It can be easily deduced that Lord Vitiate's Force Lightning abilities are extremely overwhelming. The fact that he could kill one of the most powerful Jedi in the history of Star Wars with just his Force Lightning abilities, lends credence to this claim.
New Essential Chronology: "Yoda failed to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
Uh oh.
However, before Lord Vitiate went all out on Revan; the Jedi easily countered his earlier barrage:[I]He landed in a heap on the floor and Revan raced toward him. The Emperor rolled over, lifted himself up on one knee, and his hands flew forward as he hurtled a bolt of dark side lightning at his enemy.
Revan intercepted the bolt with the blade of his lightsaber, though the impact stopped his charge dead in its tracks.
The Emperor unleashed three more bolts in quick succession. Revan batted the first aside with his lightsaber, ducked the second, then deflected the third back in the direction of its source.
It struck the Emperor in the chest, sending him sliding several meters back on the floor.
For the first time the Sith’s emotionless veneer cracked as he let out a primal hiss of hate. The sound sent shivers down Revan’s spine.
Ah, so Revan could hold his own when Vitiate wasn't trying very hard.
It wasn't that Revan was completely helpless.Revan actually stands a good chance against ROTS incarnation of Sidious.
Revan is weaker than Yoda, quite honestly and I've proven that with a direct canon statement
Here is a another ability of Revan; he could directly heal his wounds with the Force.[/Qutoe]Force heal. Yoda, Dooku, Luke (ROTJ Luke btw), and dozens of others could do that, too
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And Revan had no issues with handling heavy objects with the Force.
Yoda's handled star fighters and cruisers. And?
Lord Vitiate's Force Lightning was extremely overwhelming in comparison. He went all out on Revan. [/B]
Palpatine went all out on Yoda.
A stronger Sith against a stronger Jedi.
