Originally posted by TheHulk
Most of them won't,I mean Look at trims a omega lvl mutant yet he almost got one shotted,Pdin is high end Skyfather but his at 70 tons strength,Wolverine only survives battles because of his adamantium bones.Overall meaning. You maybe high lvl but does not prove your durable stats
Lucky for the weaker X-Men that the hulks got no arms.
Well, thats the whole point of these debates. OP asked who would win, I said X-Men, then gave my reasons. 7 of them. Its all in character. Cyclops has shown that he has contingency plans to deal with threats, And he has shown that he's willing to use them.
I mean, he thought of freeing Ilyana to petition Cytorrak. That's thinking outside the box.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They did try to kill Kuurth when he came for them; Pixie tried teleporting him into the Sun.But Magik's in Limbo; WWH can't affect her there. But what did you mean by not needing to directly attack them?
Would there be a difference? As long as its not WBH I guess...but OP can clarify.
Wouldn't it be out of character for her to immediately teleport to Limbo and stay there? Even if she did what will she do from there?
I mean he can use his strength to affect them in other ways besides punching.
I asked because the Hulk that fought Sentry was clearly more powerful than the one who took on the X-Men.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85That's not what I meant....okay look at it these way Surfer Created a black Hole to kill The Thing,but imagine this was in a comic but it was never released yet,but you created a thread of SS vs Thing and said SS Wins all he needs to do is bring Ben up to space and thing loses his breathe and surfer wins but instead in the comic Surfer Created a black hole(note creating a black hole and bringing Thing into space is also thinking out of the box since he rarely does any of this) so my argument is valid.as I'm saying the character you defend may have a different idea. Off Character or in character
Well, thats the whole point of these debates. OP asked who would win, I said X-Men, then gave my reasons. 7 of them. Its all in character. Cyclops has shown that he has contingency plans to deal with threats, And he has shown that he's willing to use them.I mean, he thought of freeing Ilyana to petition Cytorrak. That's thinking outside the box.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
I know, in the right circumstance if there is no other option yes they will kill but Hulk is no Kuurth and is not evil. On the flip side Hulk would not try to kill the X-Men either.
The way Cyclops is written now, this will be his big chance to show the world what mutants can do. And he'd take it. Besides, most of my plans didn't involve killing him, only disabling his limbs and healing factor.
Wouldn't it be out of character for her to immediately teleport to Limbo and stay there? Even if she did what will she do from there?
She'd do it if Cyclops had a plan and shared it with everyone. As for what she can do, see my plans. Essentially, she's like the doors that the Authority used.
I mean he can use his strength to affect them in other ways besides punching.
True, like kicking or throwing. My point was, he's powerful, yes, but only physically.
I asked because the Hulk that fought Sentry was clearly more powerful than one who took on the X-Men.
True. But the X-Men he's facing are more powerful too.
Originally posted by carver9
How many people on the XMen can withstand a thunderclap from a pissed WWH?
Look at your hulk vs x-men comic only kitty went down from the thunder clap and they were caught of guard. Most outside scott should survive. Magneto, emma in diamond. colossus, danger, magik in armor, namor, storm who is in the air
and hope survive. and that's assuming hope and magik dont just teleport most of them out of the way. Mags and Hope can shield them too. most of extinction team can fly too..magik can hover in the air with her discs. Heck with magneto, storm and magik they can all fly.
will you look at the team wwhulk faced? Classic Colossus, beast, kitty scott, wolverine and emma. No iceman, no storm, no magneto, no magik, no legion. that team is less then nothing compared to extinction team.
Originally posted by TheHulk
That's not what I meant....okay look at it these way Surfer Created a black Hole to kill The Thing,but imagine this was in a comic but it was never released yet,but you created a thread of SS vs Thing and said SS Wins all he needs to do is bring Ben up to space an he wins but instead in the comic Surfer Created a black hole(note creating a black hole and brining Thing into space is also thinking out of the box since he rarely does any of this) so my argument is valid.as I'm saying the character you defend may have a different idea. Off Character or in character
I get ya, sorry for the confusion. So you're essentially saying that, rather than use my plans, which would work, Cyclops might use other tactics, which won't work.
Lol under those stips, then yes, Hulk wins everytime, if you limit his opponents to using ineffectual tactics.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Hmm well hulk has shown the ability to emmit gamma energy so we might wanna rethink about hulk just being powerful in physical(which I completely disagree),X-Men More powerful yes but not here is still a gap between then and WWH.
The way Cyclops is written now, this will be his big chance to show the world what mutants can do. And he'd take it. Besides, most of my plans didn't involve killing him, only disabling his limbs and healing factor.She'd do it if Cyclops had a plan and shared it with everyone. As for what she can do, see my plans. Essentially, she's like the doors that the Authority used.
True, like kicking or throwing. My point was, he's powerful, yes, but only physically.
True. But the X-Men he's facing are more powerful too.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Lol I'm young Cyclops will use different tactics whether they work or not.seriously this actually the most fun debate I had ever since in a month,now than can we at least talk about Hulks chances cause your not giving credit to Anything the Hulksters can do in this battle
I get ya, sorry for the confusion. So you're essentially saying that, rather than use my plans, which would work, Cyclops might use other tactics, which won't work.Lol under those stips, then yes, Hulk wins everytime, if you limit his opponents to using ineffectual tactics.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Wouldn't it be out of character for her to immediately teleport to Limbo and stay there? Even if she did what will she do from there?
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why not read the whole thread, there are scans provided too so its not all speculation. It's explained by a lot of people what Magik can do from Limbo.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85WWB is simply a more angry WWH but now WWH can harness that power thus I say a normal can emmit his gamma energy if he wanted too,you know what just ask Psycho Gundam what I mean he or she was the one who presents the theory that hulk can increase himself at WILL not just get more angry anymore....
When did WWH output gamma energy? I thought that was WBH...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The way Cyclops is written now, this will be his big chance to show the world what mutants can do. And he'd take it. Besides, most of my plans didn't involve killing him, only disabling his limbs and healing factor.She'd do it if Cyclops had a plan and shared it with everyone. As for what she can do, see my plans. Essentially, she's like the doors that the Authority used.
True, like kicking or throwing. My point was, he's powerful, yes, but only physically.
True. But the X-Men he's facing are more powerful too.
Yes Cyclops would have several ideas with which to stop Hulk but they wouldn't all involve staying in Limbo.
Kicking, throwing, thunderclaps, stomps, affecting the environment, even going underground if he needed to.
No X-Man on this team is more powerful than Sentry, not while on Earth anyway.
Originally posted by -Pr-Did I Say something bad about cyclops abilites as a tactical genius??? In terms of tactics Cyclops is my 4th favorite.
Cyclops is a tactical genius who was able to study and take down tons of people by himself or using the X-Men.I don't see what makes the Hulk so different.
So telportation, control of the earth's weather, control of the entire em spectrum, flight, magic, invulnerabilty, immortality, unstopable enchantments, time control, telepathy, soul absorption, hulk like regen, super strength, power mimicry, optic blasts, sonics, solid light constructs, morphing and the ability to attack from other dimensions are all useless against the hulk. interesting...i didnt realize worldwar hulk is a skyfather or an abstract level character. lol
Hulk got hurt by kitty pride people...magik can teleport anything inside his brain. if getting his limbs stuck in concrete hurt this would hurt more.
I cant believe this thread is this long.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
How would they disable his limbs and healing factor?
I could be a dick and ask you to just re read the thread - but I'll be nice. Plus, I'm proud of my plans lol.
Plan 1 - Colossus would only be there as big shiny bait. Hulk would swing his fist towards him - only there's a portal where Piotr's face used to be. It travels up his arm, then shuts close. Hulk has lost his left arm.
He tries with his right. Same result. He now has no arms.
He lifts his leg up to stamp on the ground. Another portal. He now has no legs.
Hope then takes Colossus' powers, and Elixir's powers. Runs up to Hulk, rolls him onto his front with his head in the sea (am assuming it takes place on the beach). Pins him there with little effort and cancels out his healing factor.
Dr Nemesis comes up. Unloads both his guns into the Hulk. Infects the Hulk with cancers, Ebola, Aids, leprosy, the Plague, and the common cold lol. Leaves.
Magneto erects a forcefield around Hope and Hulk. All Hulk can do now is spit infected blood lol, but thanks to the field and Colossus' powers, nobody is infected.
He then gets pinned for the count. Plan 1, complete. Cyclops goes for a beer.
Plan 2 - MAgik opens a portal above Hulk, Namor, Colossaunaut and Hope channelling both Colossus' and Namor's strength and Elixir's power drops out. All three of them hold Hulk down, backed up by Magneto controlling his nervous system (like he's doing with the Celestial right now). I'm not saying that any one of them alone can hold him, I'm saying ALL of them combined, can hold him down for a minute or so. Then, whilst his healing factor is weakened, Namor snaps his neck. Cyclops has a beer.
Plan 3 - Magneto controls Colossonaut like a giant hypersonic wrecking ball.
Plan 4 - Magik attacks his soul with her soul sword. Whilst in the real world, the others attack his physical body.
Plan 5 - Magik travels back in time, phucks him up big time.
Plan 6 - Hope takes Nightcrawler, Elixir, Rockslide and Gambit's powers. And maybe Colossus' powers, for durability. Ports around the Hulk, hugging him and charging her own body up, blowing his limbs off whilst simultaneously negating the healing factor. Cyclops is getting seriously drunk by now.
Plan 7 - Cyclops grabs the Muramasa blade. Gives it to MAgneto to control. Magneto gets to have a little fun. For giggles, Dr Nemesis grabs a sniper rifle and further overloads Hulk's healing factor with diseases.
Yes Cyclops would have several ideas with which to stop Hulk but they wouldn't all involve staying in Limbo.
Kicking, throwing, thunderclaps, stomps, affecting the environment, even going underground if he needed to.
No X-Man on this team is more powerful than Sentry, not while on Earth anyway.
Agreed, hence why nearly none of my plans involve physical attacks without first negating that pesky healing factor.
I did read the thread I guess I just wanted to hear it from you lol.
Most of these plans involve using mutants outside of the Ex-team, I did say that if they used Utopia aswell they should win.
Can Hope even duplicate Juggernaut's powers?
Also as far as i'm aware Magik has never teleported someones limbs off, let alone someone as powerful as the Hulk.