Originally posted by carver9
Here is my post about dbz speed. The rest of your post...don't need to respond to it.
Why, because you know I'm right?
And WTF was all that bullshit? All it showed were "speed feats" which were unquantifiable with the poster making up most of the time frames such as "Kaioken happening on one heart beat"........
Originally posted by Sirius77
Or why don't we post some scans of Superman pushing, splitting, busting and "shaking the solar system with his blows" (supes vs darkseid)? Every feat that Goku has physically, Superman has ten to dwarf it.If Superman doesn't feel like screwing with it, he can literally fly him out beyond the galaxy and smack him around until he passes out. Because saiyans can't breath in space.... or dish out kryptonian level punches. Double kill.
Superman didn't shake a solar system in a fight.
Superman isn't overpowering Goku.
Originally posted by Sirius77
What did Frieza do to Goku that Superman can't dish out? He's survived an exploding suneater twice. The second time while weakened. What has Frieza done to Goku that Superman wouldn't survive or brush off? I think that you're the one that isn't making sense. Again. What has Frieza dished out on Goku that Superman wouldn't or hasn't tanked? Certainly not a planet-buster, because he aimed that at planet Namek, and even that took five minutes and still almost killed Goku.Prove that Goku can move at lightspeed. I can post my response to the private message that you sent me if you'd like?
Combat speed, superman shits on Goku there too. As well as most other characters. See private message.
Prove that any version of Goku is even approaching Superman or any version of Doomsday's speed and you might not sound like a dbz-crazed fanatic. Maybe.
Seriously, prove what you say and people might take you seriously when your favorite characters are concerned.
The sun eater gives off yellow radiation which empowers Superman. So it takes an exploding sun to stop Superman? So it take a solar system Plus blast to tickle Gladiator, so it takes a Sun Plus power to take Wolverine out, so it takes beings far more powerful than T&A to stop Surfer, so it take a Neutron star to tickle Thor, so it takes a gas giant Plus power to tickle Thanos, so it takes a Universe shaking attack to give Odin pause? The thing about this is...I have seen each of these beings dropped by far less.
Goku COMBAT fts are far better.
Prove that Superman can move at light speed because him slapping radiation with a mirror isn't proof of this. I'm PMing you for a reason by the way.
Lol...are you comparing Doomsday combat speed to Goku, let along Krillin, let alone Yamcha?
I'll be posting scans soon.
Originally posted by carver9
I didnt ignore anything. What I said was "if we use Superman, Thor, Gladiator, etc, etc... at their average portrayal, they do not stand a chance against Goku.What I also said is, Anime characters doesn't go around lifting buildings, its not part of their character. I said that Superman have Goku beat by lifting fts but punching power, Goku has him beat. Spiderman has Goku beat using lifting fts. It's not what Goku does. He only have a few fts in that category.
You would have to completely ignore everything from both characters to suggest Goku can't beat Superman. EVERYTHING.
Cool. More downplaying.
Well, that's a lie.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I can't believe you brought up q comedy part of the show to aid in Gokus durability. Him being hit upside the head by a rock for laughter.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
I would...
Originally posted by -Pr-
Ah.Superman did... mmm
Originally posted by carver9
The sun eater gives off yellow radiation which empowers Superman. So it takes an exploding sun to stop Superman? So it take a solar system Plus blast to tickle Gladiator, so it takes a Sun Plus power to take Wolverine out, so it takes beings far more powerful than T&A to stop Surfer, so it take a Neutron star to tickle Thor, so it takes a gas giant Plus power to tickle Thanos, so it takes a Universe shaking attack to give Odin pause? The thing about this is...I have seen each of these beings dropped by far less.Goku COMBAT fts are far better.
"Superman has better feats than Goku. I don't want to use them, so I'll create an absurd stance that noone advocates in an attempt to make my own absurd stance look more reasonable."
You don't expect people to buy this, do you?
Originally posted by StyleTime
Heh. You seem to prefer average Superman vs carver9 dreamworld Goku.Cool. More downplaying.
Well, that's a lie.
Goku's solar flare "feat" isn't a comedic showing, but the rock thing is. Everyone! Come to carver9 Magical Double Standard Wonderland! It's so great here!
😂
According to carver9's logic, that doesn't apply to combat. It implies superiority to Goku, so it can't be used.
This is what all that looks like honestly:
"Superman has better feats than Goku. I don't want to use them, so I'll create an absurd stance that noone advocates in an attempt to make my own absurd stance look more reasonable."
You don't expect people to buy this, do you?
You keep missing the "average portrayal" argument I keep throwing out there. Using nothing but high end fts...Galactus can't even put a scratch on Gladiator. Using high end fts, Hulk can lay down while Superman put his all in every punch he throws. High showings are nice and all (even though the ones that are being brought up here is well within Superman powers since there were circumstances involved) but I tend to look at average portrayal of characters when debating.
The solar flare ft wasn't done for comedy reasons.
Originally posted by carver9
You keep missing the "average portrayal" argument I keep throwing out there. Using nothing but high end fts...Galactus can't even put a scratch on Gladiator. Using high end fts, Hulk can lay down while Superman put his all in every punch he throws. High showings are nice and all (even though the ones that are being brought up here is well within Superman powers since there were circumstances involved) but I tend to look at average portrayal of characters when debating.The solar flare ft wasn't done for comedy reasons.
What if you compared Galactus' high end feats to Gladiator's?
And Hulk's high end feats to Superman's?
Originally posted by carver9
Superman didn't shake a solar system in a fight.Superman isn't overpowering Goku.
According to a couple of New Gods, he did.
Prove that he's not. Give me one shred of evidence that proves that statement. What has Goku done physically that even puts him on Wonder girl's level physically?
Originally posted by carver9
The sun eater gives off yellow radiation which empowers Superman. So it takes an exploding sun to stop Superman? So it take a solar system Plus blast to tickle Gladiator, so it takes a Sun Plus power to take Wolverine out, so it takes beings far more powerful than T&A to stop Surfer, so it take a Neutron star to tickle Thor, so it takes a gas giant Plus power to tickle Thanos, so it takes a Universe shaking attack to give Odin pause? The thing about this is...I have seen each of these beings dropped by far less.
It was a red sun eater just in case you forgot. He wasn't being "amped" by it, he was being progressively weakened.
Since when did glads survive a solar system buster? Since when did wolverine tank a sun? Since when where only beings stronger than tenebrous and aegis able to beat surfer? When did a neutron star tickle thor? And are you really comparing Goku to thanos and Odin? The fact that you're embellishing and taking out of context feats that may or may not exist is one thing, but the fact that you are comparing Goku to a high-end skyfather and low skyfather is just simple trash-speak man. Are you trolling me lol? You can't really believe this.
Also when has goku even had pis high feats that approach the lowest of these?
Originally posted by carver9
Goku COMBAT fts are far better.
Then the burden of proof is on you to prove it and not just talk crap and expect people to buy it as gospel lol.
Originally posted by carver9
Prove that Superman can move at light speed because him slapping radiation with a mirror isn't proof of this. I'm PMing you for a reason by the way.
Yeah it is, and Goku has nothing better. You're argument is invalid, so I'll post mine from another thread. Disprove it with scans if you aren't ****ing around.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Read some Superman and JLA. Never say never. 🙂Superman outraces lasers, reflecting them back onto the [B]Kryptonite Man
while weakened by Kryptonite...http://s810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/?action=view¤t=speedblitzor1.jpg
Outracing a solar flare. Cool. So cell or Frieza couldn't do it, but kid goku could? Also I'd need to see a scan of that. (As well as a scan of rogue, the xmen and iroman moving ftl...) You keep bringing it up. Oh and btw, if Goku grabbing someones glasses is a speed combat feat, then so are all of the ones of Superman building things. More so in fact. 😬
So you show me a scan of Goku or any Z fighter or Dragon Ball Z character in general in the history of the series (Dragonball Gt included) moving at or fighting at lightspeed or faster.[/B]
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...are you comparing Doomsday combat speed to Goku, let along Krillin, let alone Yamcha?I'll be posting scans soon.
Yes. I am doing exactly that. It's ridiculous, I admit. All dbz characters are essentially statues to pretty much any doomsday after dos imo.
Please do, you have my attention now.
Originally posted by carver9
You keep missing the "average portrayal" argument I keep throwing out there. Using nothing but high end fts...Galactus can't even put a scratch on Gladiator. Using high end fts, Hulk can lay down while Superman put his all in every punch he throws. High showings are nice and all (even though the ones that are being brought up here is well within Superman powers since there were circumstances involved) but I tend to look at average portrayal of characters when debating.The solar flare ft wasn't done for comedy reasons.
Galactus destroyed a galaxy while weakened, dying and drained of his energy during Annihilation. That's not even Galactus' highest feat. Are you really trying to compare his high feats to gladiator's? Like I said, I'm already convinced that you're trolling, but I'll play along because I'm interested lol.
Going by Superman's high end showings, he evaporates the hulk after he takes every punch he throws and beats him into green paste.
I don't understand what you're not understanding. No one here has named a ridiculously high feat for superman. High range would imply fewer incidences, but the fact is that kryptonians, daxamites and the like have been defined throughout the years for tanking cosmic events and moving and busting celesial bodies. So what exactly would you consider a mid range feat for superman?
Originally posted by carver9
You keep missing the "average portrayal" argument I keep throwing out there. Using nothing but high end fts...Galactus can't even put a scratch on Gladiator. Using high end fts, Hulk can lay down while Superman put his all in every punch he throws. High showings are nice and all (even though the ones that are being brought up here is well within Superman powers since there were circumstances involved) but I tend to look at average portrayal of characters when debating.The solar flare ft wasn't done for comedy reasons.
You'd have to know what Superman's average portrayal is in the first place.
These are some of the saved items that I have dbz related BUT the rest...I might have to post vids but the vids that I show will be scenes that were shown in the manga since my scanner isn't working.
Ok, let's start with this. Master Roshi is a legit bullet catcher. He can basically see bullets in slow motion.
http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carver9/roshispeed.jpg.html?o=1
Master Roshi also have fts of performing an entire martial arts tourny in 1/5 of a second. He fought...played rock, paper sissors, fought some more, taunted, even stood to the side an thought for a quite some time and he did all of this in 1/5 of a second and then after this, he kicked Krillin in the back of the head, flipped back into his spot and turned around. All of this happened in a second flat. This entire scene.
http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carver9/roshiandkrillinspeed.jpg.html?o=6
http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carver9/roshiandkrillspeedpart3.jpg.html?o=4
All of that happened in less than a second. The thing about this is, even though Krillin and Roshi can perform all of this in 1 second top...Krillin and Roshi couldn't even see a baby Goku during battle...they lost site of him.
http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/carver9/gokusspeed.jpg.html?o=2
So we have someone that can see bullets in slow motion...someone that has near nano seconds speed fts unable to detect a fairly larger than bullet size body moving at tremendous speeds. Dang.
This is Goku as a child. By the end of Dragonball, Goku was able to perform Roshi and Krillin ft at greater heights...hell, Kami has been classified as being capable of moving faster than lightning and he was still unable to detect Goku with his godly eyes.
More scans will be on the way.
Originally posted by carver9
You missed the point yet again...they arent close to Goku speed either but I haven't seen Superman performing fts like that during combat. All of that happened in less than a second.
Any showing of quick reflexes applies to combat speed; we've been through this before.
And no, I'm not missing any point. If you're going to post feats, post feats, don't beat around the bush by posting other ones and then going "but Goku is much faster than this". It's assinine; and doesn't help your case.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Any showing of quick reflexes applies to combat speed; we've been through this before.And no, I'm not missing any point. If you're going to post feats, post feats, don't beat around the bush by posting other ones and then going "but Goku is much faster than this". It's assinine; and doesn't help your case.
I already showed you in my scans that the people that did that entire tournament in less than a second couldnt even detect Goku. He disappeared in front of their eyes a long extended amount of time. They couldn't see him and he was still in a small ring combating.
Originally posted by carver9
You missed the point yet again...they arent close to Goku speed either but I haven't seen Superman performing fts like that during combat. All of that happened in less than a second.
Wait a second, are you seriously trying to imply that every speed feat that Goku did after those showings are also less than a second?
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Wait a second, are you seriously trying to imply that every speed feat that Goku did after those showings are also less than a second?
No (even though Goku have fts of fighting so fast time stops). What I am saying is that Goku can pull that ft with one leg an no arms FAR faster than they did and the proof of this is when Roshi couldn't even see Goku during his fight with Tien.
As for punching fts....Tien during regular dragonball was punching at light speed during short burst. Hell, his arms even turned to beams of light while punching Goku. Goku during the 23 budaka was MUCH faster than Tien...Tien couldn't keep up with him.
More speed FTs to come.
