Originally posted by carver9
I never concede and you all aren't doing anything except ignoring onpanel evidence.
Like you usually do?
Originally posted by carver9
You are not winnkng though.
Well that's the beauty of all of this; I've never read nor watched Dragonball, so I can only go by what you guys show me.
I've literally only seen the movie and some youtube videos.
So please, show me the feats that put him above Superman.
By the way...people keep talking about Saiyan being unable to survive in space...well they can for a certain amount of time but we don't know how long. THEN people are bring up the fact that Saiyans cant survive planetary level of power. Not true. Canon event disproves this. Frieza shoots a blast at Planet Vegeta that was so powerful that it ripped through time itself.
Barwick survives it. He was knocked out but he survived a planetary+ blast.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/6.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/7.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/8.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/10.html
He was knocked in a different timeline and also survived the attack. Also...look how fast Frieza was able to destroy a planet twice the size of Earth. He did it with just the wave of his hand.
Originally posted by carver9
By the way...people keep talking about Saiyan being unable to survive in space...well they can for a certain amount of time but we don't know how long. THEN people are bring up the fact that Saiyans cant survive planetary level of power. Not true. Canon event disproves this. Frieza shoots a blast at Planet Vegeta that was so powerful that it ripped through time itself.Barwick survives it. He was knocked out but he survived a planetary+ blast.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/6.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/7.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/8.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/10.htmlHe was knocked in a different timeline and also survived the attack. Also...look how fast Frieza was able to destroy a planet twice the size of Earth. He did it with just the wave of his hand.
That contradicts the Primary canon. Why?:
Goku wanted to escape Namek with a spaceship because he CAN'T breathe in space.
Goku got killed by Semi- Perfect Cell's self destruct.
Goku and Vegeta escaped Earth from Kid Buu because they KNEW they wouldn't survive his blast.
Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks got killed by Kid Buu's Earth Destroying blast.
The only people who seem to have Planetary durability are Frieza(for obvious reasons) and Bardock(from those scans).
Cell and Buu survive Planetary damage because of the regeneration.
Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
That contradicts the Primary canon. Why?:
Goku wanted to escape Namek with a spaceship because he CAN'T breathe in space.
Goku got killed by Semi- Perfect Cell's self destruct.
Goku and Vegeta escaped Earth from Kid Buu because they KNEW they wouldn't survive his blast.
Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks got killed by Kid Buu's Earth Destroying blast.The only people who seem to have Planetary durability are Frieza(for obvious reasons) and Bardock(from those scans).
Cell and Buu survive Planetary damage because of the regeneration.
He can't breath for an indefinite amount of time. Hell, when Earth was destroyed by kid Buu, Goku asked King Ki to see if Gohan, Piccolo, and Trunks were still alive. It's not the planetary destruction that is killing them, its the Ki release that is killing them. That like me saying "since Superman died from a punch from Doomsday that only shook a city or Superman getting koed from a blast from Doctor light that didn't cause any damage to the surrounding area, it take less than a nuke level attack to kill him".
Semi Perfect self destruct lit up heaven and hell and was felt on Earth. Again, its the Ki that is killed Goku...Cell power killed him. Thanos was koed by maker who hit him with a Nuke like attack. Superman Prime was damaged/koed by Monarch who shot a nuke like attack and he admitted that it hurt him...its not the level of power of the attack...its who the power is coming from. The planet being destroyed is just the side affect, Cell is Goku equal and he does have the power to kill him and Cell put his all into that blast. Another thing, the only reason you think it was only planetary is because Cell said it. So do we believe Cell now or are we just picking and choosing because the blast could have been much more. If we are believing Cell then let's not forget, Cell said that the blast he was going to use on Gohan had enough power to shed a solar system.
The first small blast that kid Buu shot was a planetary blast and Vegeta deflected it. The second blast wad much much more. Buu put a lot of power into that blast. Why would Buu shoot another planetary blast when we have Vegeta deflecting the first one with ease.? The second blast...Earth disintegrated...there wasn't even a piece of dirt left after the attack. It was much more than planetary and like I've said before, its not the destruction of the blast that killed them, its who the attack is coming from. I feel pretty much safe at saying that Surfer can kill Thor with blasts that wouldnt destroy the planet they are fighting on and I feel safe at saying that Superman has been damaged on multiple of occasions by blast that didn't lay waste to a planet let alone a city or a building.
OWNED
Originally posted by carver9
He can't breath for an indefinite amount of time. Hell, when Earth was destroyed by kid Buu, Goku asked King Ki to see if Gohan, Piccolo, and Trunks were still alive. It's not the planetary destruction that is killing them, its the Ki release that is killing them. That like me saying "since Superman died from a punch from Doomsday that only shook a city or Superman getting koed from a blast from Doctor light that didn't cause any damage to the surrounding area, it take less than a nuke level attack to kill him".Semi Perfect self destruct lit up heaven and hell and was felt on Earth. Again, its the Ki that is killed Goku...Cell power killed him. Thanos was koed by maker who hit him with a Nuke like attack. Superman Prime was damaged/koed by Monarch who shot a nuke like attack and he admitted that it hurt him...its not the level of power of the attack...its who the power is coming from. The planet being destroyed is just the side affect, Cell is Goku equal and he does have the power to kill him and Cell put his all into that blast. Another thing, the only reason you think it was only planetary is because Cell said it. So do we believe Cell now or are we just picking and choosing because the blast could have been much more. If we are believing Cell then let's not forget, Cell said that the blast he was going to use on Gohan had enough power to shed a solar system.
The first small blast that kid Buu shot was a planetary blast and Vegeta deflected it. The second blast wad much much more. Buu put a lot of power into that blast. Why would Buu shoot another planetary blast when we have Vegeta deflecting the first one with ease.? The second blast...Earth disintegrated...there wasn't even a piece of dirt left after the attack. It was much more than planetary and like I've said before, its not the destruction of the blast that killed them, its who the attack is coming from. I feel pretty much safe at saying that Surfer can kill Thor with blasts that wouldnt destroy the planet they are fighting on and I feel safe at saying that Superman has been damaged on multiple of occasions by blast that didn't lay waste to a planet let alone a city or a building.
OWNED
I barely understood what you wrote other than the mutiple times you repeated "its not the destruction of the blast that killed them, its who the attack is coming from" and a few other things.
And Cell is not a Solar System buster, that statement was a hyperbole and does not make sense due to the fact that Cell was referring to his Kamehameha wave....
The Kamehameha wave only goes in a straight ine whie you'd need an Omnidirectional attack to destroy it from within.
"That like me saying "since Superman died from a punch from Doomsday that only shook a city or Superman getting koed from a blast from Doctor light that didn't cause any damage to the surrounding area, it take less than a nuke level attack to kill him". "
I could've easiy countered that by saying Superman aready has Planetary durability feats as he's survived being crushed between two planets.
My point was that Goku himself hasn't shown any planetary durability feats.
OWNED.
Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
I barely understood what you wrote other than the mutiple times you repeated "its not the destruction of the blast that killed them, its who the attack is coming from" and a few other things.And Cell is not a Solar System buster, that statement was a hyperbole and does not make sense due to the fact that Cell was referring to his Kamehameha wave....
The Kamehameha wave only goes in a straight ine whie you'd need an Omnidirectional attack to destroy it from within."That like me saying "since Superman died from a punch from Doomsday that only shook a city or Superman getting koed from a blast from Doctor light that didn't cause any damage to the surrounding area, it take less than a nuke level attack to kill him". "
I could've easiy countered that by saying Superman aready has Planetary durability feats as he's survived being crushed between two planets.My point was that Goku himself hasn't shown any planetary durability feats.
OWNED.
I just showed you someone far inferior to Goku surviving a planetary attack. It's Canon to dragonball. Deal with it and move on.
Where is Sirius at because this is boring.
Originally posted by carver9
By the way...people keep talking about Saiyan being unable to survive in space...well they can for a certain amount of time but we don't know how long. THEN people are bring up the fact that Saiyans cant survive planetary level of power. Not true. Canon event disproves this. Frieza shoots a blast at Planet Vegeta that was so powerful that it ripped through time itself.Barwick survives it. He was knocked out but he survived a planetary+ blast.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/6.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/7.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/8.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball_episode_of_bardock/c001/10.htmlHe was knocked in a different timeline and also survived the attack. Also...look how fast Frieza was able to destroy a planet twice the size of Earth. He did it with just the wave of his hand.
Carver... this is fanfiction lol.... Bardock died in the original, which was also non-conon due to it being a movie and not manga...
Originally posted by carver9
I just showed you someone far inferior to Goku surviving a planetary attack. It's Canon to dragonball. Deal with it and move on.Where is Sirius at because this is boring.
Sirius just came aong and owned you saying that it's non canon.
Deal with that and GTFO with your Bullshit!
Originally posted by carver9
He can't breath for an indefinite amount of time. Hell, when Earth was destroyed by kid Buu, Goku asked King Ki to see if Gohan, Piccolo, and Trunks were still alive. It's not the planetary destruction that is killing them, its the Ki release that is killing them. That like me saying "since Superman died from a punch from Doomsday that only shook a city or Superman getting koed from a blast from Doctor light that didn't cause any damage to the surrounding area, it take less than a nuke level attack to kill him".
He can't hold it longer than Superman, and thats all that matters.
Actually that isn't how it works. Because as I recall, Frieza's blast just disrupted the core. He made the blast while he was in his final form and he and Goku would have died from that if it had not been for the ship and frieza's father.
So it is understood that not all planet busting attacks are from raw power output, but rather some are a result of the disruption of planetary core dynamics.
Originally posted by carver9
Semi Perfect self destruct lit up heaven and hell and was felt on Earth. Again, its the Ki that is killed Goku...Cell power killed him. Thanos was koed by maker who hit him with a Nuke like attack. Superman Prime was damaged/koed by Monarch who shot a nuke like attack and he admitted that it hurt him...its not the level of power of the attack...its who the power is coming from. The planet being destroyed is just the side affect, Cell is Goku equal and he does have the power to kill him and Cell put his all into that blast. Another thing, the only reason you think it was only planetary is because Cell said it. So do we believe Cell now or are we just picking and choosing because the blast could have been much more. If we are believing Cell then let's not forget, Cell said that the blast he was going to use on Gohan had enough power to shed a solar system.
It's a valid argument to say that the power in the attack is what counts, because that can be seen throughout comics and manga alike. However, I would have to see the on panel statement stating that it affected heaven and hell in such a way than anything else wouldn't. Because remember, King Kai's planet was like the size of someone's house lol. Tbh, Conner Kent could have busted it. Also, Goku teleported cell to "heaven", so the fact that you can literally jump from hell to heaven in dbz, and the fact that hell itself was not negatively affected does not lend to the idea that cell can bust solar systems or your argument in general.
Originally posted by carver9
The first small blast that kid Buu shot was a planetary blast and Vegeta deflected it. The second blast wad much much more. Buu put a lot of power into that blast. Why would Buu shoot another planetary blast when we have Vegeta deflecting the first one with ease.? The second blast...Earth disintegrated...there wasn't even a piece of dirt left after the attack. It was much more than planetary and like I've said before, its not the destruction of the blast that killed them, its who the attack is coming from. I feel pretty much safe at saying that Surfer can kill Thor with blasts that wouldnt destroy the planet they are fighting on and I feel safe at saying that Superman has been damaged on multiple of occasions by blast that didn't lay waste to a planet let alone a city or a building.OWNED
No one is disputing that dbz characters can bust planets. How do you know if it was more than a planet buster if it only busted a planet? Thats conjecture at best.
You owned yourself.