Wolverine vs Blade/Cassie

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Wolverine tends to do poorly against upper level martial artists of Cassandras caliber

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Lets not forget Elektra humiliating Wolvie paralyzing him and outmaneuvering him

And we all know Cassandra is above Elektra

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Well I respectfully disagree. Look at opponents when he isn't blood lusted. Take Black Panther for instance.

This is just one example I could use other examples if you like. But for arguments sake lets say Wolverine is just as fast as Cassandra, which I disagree with. Typically he doesn't always block or evade. Generally speaking he charges in or bull rushes opponents and when he does so skilled opponents have generally taken advantage of that. Why would this time be any different.

Oh for ****'s sake.... K.... Hudlin, and Ennis.... Even if that was all that I had to say in response to these posts it would be enough to discredit half of your "proof" right off the bat. Why's that? Simple.

Ennis is a hack writer when it comes to Marvel who has openly admitted multiple times that he tends to "take the piss" with superheroes because finds them "silly" so right there that should tell you how well he's going to portray them. That arc? Yeah according to that arc Spiderman and Daredevil's extra sensory don't account for shit, neither do Wolverine's enhanced senses. Spiderman's spidersense can be tricked by something that's essentially a toy and isn't a threat. Daredevil's limbs are not strong enough to support an extra 200 pounds. And, while Wolverine can walk away from being punched across state lines by Hulk, hitting a still body of water from miles away, being fine and crawling away after being blown up by a rocket launcher reducing him to a skeleton from chest to knees, and (earlier) being completely uneffected by a shotgun blast point blank to his face that reduced it to an Adamantium skull with eyes........ He still goes down to a throat chop..... IN THE SAME ARC.... because that makes sense right?

NO. IT. DOESN'T. 😐

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Ennis couldn't even consistently portray Wolverine how HE thought Wolverine should be portrayed. Nevermind the fact that while Daredevil was taxed to beat Punisher in h2h Ennis had Punisher readily admit that Wolverine would beat the breaks off him in h2h specifically because he could take anything Punisher dished out and keep coming.... But a throat chop..... yeah.... ❌

THEN of course you have the context Srank discussed with Wolverine actively fighting both Spidey and DD at the same time essentially, AND of course DD's track record against Wolverine getting full nelsoned in 3 panels after trying to sneak attack Logan, or being put in a defensive battle against a Wolverine missing half of his soul and actively fighting mind control, as well as being straight up killed in an alternate universe, or cut across the midsection in one of their first encounters.... That example is as far from Wolverine's typical representation as you could get.

ELEKTRA: ELEKTRA?!?!?! I have no idea why you're even attempting to compare Cass to Elektra. Elektra has straight up merced high class superhumans. She's got mystical abilities that put her so far outside simple hand to hand skill it isn't even funny. She thinks techniques that strain Shang Chi are "simple". She's made light work of Daredevil, a character whom you've just also said is of Cass' calibur. If you think Elektra is on Cass' level then you need to look at her damned respect thread, they are worlds apart and Elektra is better in every way. Then of course there's again, the CONTEXT of basically blindsiding a preoccupied Wolverine from behind, who was being mindcontrolled missing half of his soul, and just healed from being hamburger meat just a while before. And once more you are clearly not familiar with her track record against Wolverine, because while she might be able to hold him for a bit, she can't beat out his healing factor and has indeed lost to him while being amped before.

Then there's Black Panther:....
And Hudlin.......

Hudlin is a semi-racist (or at the least VERY bias) black "activist" who wrote house part movies, and was the former president for the BET. He's also the writer responsible for a number of other ridiculous bull that somehow slipped past the Marvel editorial staff such as

Black Panther> Captain America
Dr. Doom = Racist
Black Panther> Sabretooth (HoM)
Wakanda tech>Latveria tech

But let's ignore that because Panther surprised Wolverine with his speed in CoC once.... Even though he was losing the fight and Wolverine had him dead to rights... 😐

See... I would be content to say that it might be a matchup issue if it wasn't for the fact that Wolverine has been "too fast" for legitimate superhumans. He's been "too fast" for Psylocke trying to mind read him, too fast for a Brood alien using Professor X's powers, too fast for vampires, he's been literally too fast for US the audience to see what he's doing when he's running around at invisible levels cutting hands and arms off assailants...... and aside from all this kind of stuff..... He's so damned fast that he's made Spiderman question his speed, memic him BECAUSE of his speed, and comment about his speed multiple times not to mention that Wolverine was "too fast" for Spiderman to stop him from killing multitudes of attackers.

You seem to think Wolverine has an issue fighting high tier MA's on a regular basis?
He doesn't.
He's Pwned Shang Chi in 3 panels, Daredevil in 3 panels, Iron Fist in 2 pages, Bucky in one move, beat up Silver Samurai while holding back, Shatterstar in 3 panels THREE times and has CRAZY stupid feats like fighting a clone of himself and the angel of death at the same time, disarming Ogun in 2 panels, and putting Junzo in a defensive battle when Junzo was no selling Iron Fist and Luke Cage. I COULD go on but I really shouldn't have to.

Wolverine is not on Cass' level of skill.. He's head and shoulders above it.
Wolverine is not on Cass' level of speed... he's in another category alltogher...

Now go read some Marvel Comics... 😐

^ Cassie's faster than Wolverine. Any suggestion to the contrary is laughable. Any suggestion that Wolverine operates on a whole other level of speed over Cassie is ludicrous.

Team wins.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Cassie's faster than Wolverine. Any suggestion to the contrary is laughable. Any suggestion that Wolverine operates on a whole other level of speed over Cassie is ludicrous.

Team wins.

^ By knocking him out and/or bleeding him out and/or pinning him down.

^ Or Blade could shoot his eye socket. 😇

Originally posted by juggernaut74
^ Or Blade could shoot his eye socket. 😇

^ Wolverine's no Cap. And in all seriousness, I can't remember an instance where Wolverine actually did do that with a bullet.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
^ Or Blade could shoot his eye socket. 😇

A blend of the first and last method is the only one with any real chance of happening in this fight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Wolverine's no Cap. And in all seriousness, I can't remember an instance where Wolverine actually did do that with a bullet.

^ What did he deflect them into? I recall him deflecting lasers accidentally into Hisako. Which would suggest the contrary.

Oh, wait. You mean Cyclops' optic blast into Cap's shield in Origins. Yeah, PIS that he could swing at Cyclops' light speed blast. But setting that aside, I could see Wolverine deflecting them away.

I'm talking of a feat with a guy who was shooting lasers out of his fingers or something. Maybe Jinzin is around and can post the scan I've seen it a few weeks ago.

Never understood why so many people tried to discredit hudlin, much of what of we wrote in in character for T'Challa and Wakanda...I mean T'Challa's first appearance had him taking on the whole Fantastic Four by himself. Priests run had him beating Ironman among other feats. I hate when people say Hudlin is racist because he writes T'Challa the same way other writers portray Captain America, Wolverine, Deadpool, and other top level characters.

Also team wins.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I'm talking of a feat with a guy who was shooting lasers out of his fingers or something. Maybe Jinzin is around and can post the scan I've seen it a few weeks ago.

Also, deflecting lasers with the reflective surface of his claws would be different from deflecting bullets with his claws. Even if he turned them sideways (he'd have to since they'd otherwise slice the bullets), it's far less surface area to work with then a shield. I'm not even sure if DD or Elektra (or Cap for that matter) can deflect bullets into a target without a shield for the same reason.

My bullet comment was more of a joke as in I thought we were just throwing out random stuff we would want the character to do.. I was poking fun. but, to be serious I only ever seen Wolverine deflect knives, ninja stars, and I guess in vol. 1 he raised his hand to stop a bullet, but the bullet flew through his chin and tagged him in the jaw.

Originally posted by Trackz
Never understood why so many people tried to discredit hudlin, much of what of we wrote in in character for T'Challa and Wakanda...I mean T'Challa's first appearance had him taking on the whole Fantastic Four by himself. Priests run had him beating Ironman among other feats. I hate when people say Hudlin is racist because he writes T'Challa the same way other writers portray Captain America, Wolverine, Deadpool, and other top level characters.

Also team wins.

I dont think he is outright racist but he is bias as all hell.
I cant speak for others but i disliked his take on Black Panther b/c it was something new without any background to it. Even Tony tends to have flash backs and storylines referencing his new tech or armor.

Black Panther just comes out batman style utility belt. that is what pissed me off most of all.. plus the Mephisto thing.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
My bullet comment was more of a joke as in I thought we were just throwing out random stuff we would want the character to do.. I was poking fun. but, to be serious I only ever seen Wolverine deflect knives, ninja stars, and I guess in vol. 1 he raised his hand to stop a bullet, but the bullet flew through his chin and tagged him in the jaw.

I dont think he is outright racist but he is bias as all hell.
I cant speak for others but i disliked his take on Black Panther b/c it was something new without any background to it. Even Tony tends to have flash backs and storylines referencing his new tech or armor.

Black Panther just comes out batman style utility belt. that is what pissed me off most of all.. plus the Mephisto thing.

Well the mephisto thing wasn't written by Hudlin:
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there's mcduffies take on it. writers have their characters win all the time...i don't think readership is racist but I think they're biased the same way you think these writers are.

That's a completely different topic though.

Team puts down Logan. Hacks him until he's down. Blade could possibly KO wolverine the same way Deadpool managed to (Blade has been gutted/stabbed through before and healed just fine)

Originally posted by Trackz

Team puts down Logan. Hacks him until he's down. Blade could possibly KO wolverine the same way Deadpool managed to (Blade has been gutted/stabbed through before and healed just fine)

Wolverine let deadpool win as in he hired him to come after him and even than Deadpool had massive one sided prep and was failing even with Logan wanting to lose.

I dont think Blade can stay conscious through the damage Wolverine can cause him even if you give Blade the conscious act of healing which hurts and also drains him as well. I dont think he heals at the same pace as Logan.

I say Logan takes them both out.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
Wolverine let deadpool win as in he hired him to come after him and even than Deadpool had massive one sided prep and was failing even with Logan wanting to lose.

I dont think Blade can stay conscious through the damage Wolverine can cause him even if you give Blade the conscious act of healing which hurts and also drains him as well. I dont think he heals at the same pace as Logan.

I say Logan takes them both out.

Originally posted by Trackz
He let deadpool win, but he was still KO'd from the bullet to the head, that's what i meant. Blade can pull that off, especially if he's got a teammate. Blade's taken all sorts of damage and remained conscious. Blasted miles by Lilith, nuclear facility explosion, being gutted by Hrolf, and stabbed by Dracula. It takes him longer to heal and it slows him but it doesn't necessarily slow him. We saw him take several gun shots to his legs and still out pace his opponents. Punisher shot him in the back and he was fine a couple of seconds later. If Blade falls asleep and lets Logan dice him up then that would definitely put Blade down but with Cassie on his side, they dance around taxing his healing factor until someone finally takes him out.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Spitfire slashed his face up pretty badly and he healed that up during the fight iirc. And in the respect thread he was standing amidst some massive flames with bare skin exposed. Gotta be some healing at play there.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
Wolverine let deadpool win as in he hired him to come after him and even than Deadpool had massive one sided prep and was failing even with Logan wanting to lose.

I dont think Blade can stay conscious through the damage Wolverine can cause him even if you give Blade the conscious act of healing which hurts and also drains him as well. I dont think he heals at the same pace as Logan.

I say Logan takes them both out.

Cassie could stay conscious if Blade was the one distracting/keeping Logan in place.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I imagine you don't think the team doesn't have any chance at all.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Cassie's faster than Wolverine. Any suggestion to the contrary is laughable. Any suggestion that Wolverine operates on a whole other level of speed over Cassie is ludicrous.

Team wins.