Underworld Werewolves vs Twilight Werewolves

Originally posted by Placidity
It may be a possibility for the strongest of the Underworld Universe (we won't know until the strength debate is established), however its not really an advantage in their favor since TwiVamps can do the same and more to the Underworld Vampire, they can literally crush them.

About the regeneration, I do think the Underworld vampire has a superior HF in the traditional sense, but the Twivamp does have a HF too - they can be "put back together" even after being ripped apart - though thats irrelevant if they are broken thats the end for them in this fight. They also heal from cracks they receive from battle I believe.

I don't think strength is debatable. Even the "weak" types are stupidly strong in Twilight. Well past characters like Thing, Colossus, and Sasquatch.

As far as healing factor, Edward's face cracks after Felix body slams him. It healed fairly quickly. It's around what Movie Wolverine's is: pretty damn fast. Keep in mind that this was a sick and starving Edward: he had not had any blood for about 3 months and was borderline "feral". But he still healed fairly quickly.

Thing can demolish plateaus by punching them.

Comic version anyway.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Thing can demolish plateaus by punching them.

Comic version anyway.

He's a 90-ton classer, though. Ninety!

Out of ability feats do not count!!!!!! RAAAGEEE! 😠

I don't care what Marvel's website says (And I am pretty sure that is wrong actually, I am pretty positive that Thing's bio puts him at relatively low class 100).

Oh, and Colossus is even stronger than Thing. estahuh

The thing about Underworld is that they do have moments where its like "woah" but the rest of the time they exhibit lesser feats (though still very impressive compared to most other Vampire Universes). For example the random Lycan just running through a thick concrete wall in the first movie was pretty beast.

I don't remember Twivamps having real big strength feats.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't care what Marvel's website says (And I am pretty sure that is wrong actually, I am pretty positive that Thing's bio puts him at relatively low class 100).

Oh, and Colossus is even stronger than Thing. estahuh

It's not marvel's website but their own officially published stats "dat ewe canz bye!" uhuh

*checks marvel's website*

It's also there! And the fans agree with me.

I think of Edward as a stronger, smaller, much faster version of thing. Both organic 'rock' that are highly durable and strong.

Originally posted by Psychotron
I don't remember Twivamps having real big strength feats.

Humans tend to block out traumatic events as a means of coping. No doubt the event of being drug to a twilight movie by your girlfriend was traumatic.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's not marvel's website but their own officially published stats "dat ewe canz bye!" uhuh

*checks marvel's website*

It's also there! And the fans agree with me.

I think of Edward as a stronger, smaller, much faster version of thing. Both organic 'rock' that are highly durable and strong.

You can think of him as whatever you want, but you're still wrong, to be frank.

I still haven't even seen the source you allegedly are using, and to be blunt I'm not going to search through a bunch of ****ing threads to find it.

The Thing has demolished plateaus, stopped physically a machine that could break through the crust of the planet, he has fought Iron Man, and taken on the Champion of the Universe and put on a decent showing, among other shit that I probably forget.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You can think of him as whatever you want, but you're still wrong, to be frank.

You mean I'll be right, of course. More right than you, at the minimum. Factually correct as a necessity of it being me. More correct than some scientist's estimates, at the most.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I still haven't even seen the source you allegedly are using, and to be blunt I'm not going to search through a bunch of ****ing threads to find it.

I am not going to play these games. 🙂 You look it up yourself and on't be lazy. I already told you the key terms you could use to find the thread.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Thing has demolished plateaus, stopped physically a machine that could break through the crust of the planet, he has fought Iron Man, and taken on the Champion of the Universe and put on a decent showing, among other shit that I probably forget.

I reject your obvious PIS and submit his ass getting handed to him by She-Hulk.

What, you think I am easily swayed by some of the more outlandish and common place and out of character feats? 😐

You'll have to do better than that. I'm not the Marvel comic newb that you may have thought I was. estahuh I grew up on Marvel comics.

edit - I found the thread on my second search attempt. I also read the thread in the time it took me to post this post and make the edit. You're just being lazy. Look up the thread with a little bit of searching. It will take you a massive 30 seconds to find.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's not marvel's website but their own officially published stats "dat ewe canz bye!" uhuh

*checks marvel's website*

It's also there! And the fans agree with me.

I say that with nothing but respect and goodwill to you of course.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
People who use handbooks to try to contradict on-panel showings should be assraped repeatedly with a splintery fencepost that's been buried halfway deep in Georgia mud.

I say that with nothing but respect and goodwill to you of course.

I know, right?

This is why we have to go with the reasonable and official "guidelines" set forth by Marvel on their character's abilities. Getting beaten by She-Hulk: reasonable as they are around the same strength (she's weaker) with She-Hulk being a better H2H combatant. Meaning, the stupid out-of-character feats are just that: stupid and out of character. This is why we can't have nice things: some writers turn everything to shit or create massive amounts of CIS/PIS. "What's this? You can't generate thousands tons of force (ton-force) like you did against that battle ship? Man, that's reduced you to either using a shit-ton of CIS or creating PIS for this entire volume. Thanks, writers, for ruining shit with your outlandish feats in prior chapters!"

Edit - And the crust planet thingie...that was an ad, wasn't it? It wasn't an official 616 feat, iirc.

It's true that I was somewhat drunk when I saw the first three films, but I remember them. So what are their big strength feats that I've missed?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I know, right?

This is why we have to go with the reasonable and official "guidelines" set forth by Marvel on their character's abilities. Getting beaten by She-Hulk: reasonable as they are around the same strength (she's weaker) with She-Hulk being a better H2H combatant. Meaning, the stupid out-of-character feats are just that: stupid and out of character. This is why we can't have nice things: some writers turn everything to shit or create massive amounts of CIS/PIS. "What's this? You can't generate thousands tons of force (ton-force) like you did against that battle ship? Man, that's reduced you to either using a shit-ton of CIS or creating PIS for this entire volume. Thanks, writers, for ruining shit with your outlandish feats in prior chapters!"

Edit - And the crust planet thingie...that was an ad, wasn't it? It wasn't an official 616 feat, iirc.

Same with website entries. Writers ignore them not out of ignorance or impertinence, but because they just don't care and neither should you.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
From what I know of handbooks, they're written by non-writers who may not have read all or even most of the material on the characters in question and are really only supposed to give general ideas of character powers.

Same with website entries. Writers ignore them not out of ignorance or impertinence, but because they just don't care and neither should you.

Actually, you should care about power continuity. It becomes childish and even idiotic if you have a character with wildly fluctuating abilities. You need to be grounded. This is part of the reason why "they" established abilities: so the writers could drawn upon them and write stories within their abilities. It also grounds them to certain rules. Not all stories and feats are reasonable within those ground rules. You then end up with CIS and PIS.

At least with Hulk, you can pretend that Hulk just got Madder to justify the durability and strength. I'm okay with some of the more outlandish feats because that was written into his character a looooong time ago.

Basically, you care just as much as I do. But the sake of this particular character and thread, you don't, just to make a point. Really, your taste in fiction is not that childish and underdeveloped. You've proven you have a keen eye to detail so it does bother when they write shit into stories. Maybe not as much myself or others, but you do notice.

What if his arms or hands are removed similar to what happened to Vampire Riley when his hands were ripped or mauled by Seth. Probably the HF process would not rapidly kick in due to the extent of the damage.

Now if we include the Super Lycan in Awaking that would be very very imposing. That giant werewolf has extreme fast healibng factor similar to wolverine.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think strength is debatable. Even the "weak" types are stupidly strong in Twilight. Well past characters like Thing, Colossus, and Sasquatch.

As far as healing factor, Edward's face cracks after Felix body slams him. It healed fairly quickly. It's around what Movie Wolverine's is: pretty damn fast. Keep in mind that this was a sick and starving Edward: he had not had any blood for about 3 months and was borderline "feral". But he still healed fairly quickly.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think strength is debatable. Even the "weak" types are stupidly strong in Twilight. Well past characters like Thing, Colossus, and Sasquatch.

Eward's best strength feat is uprooting a large tree so I'm not sure whether or not this is a bad joke.

Comparing the Twivamps to Sasquatch, Thing, and Colossus is just stupid.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, you should care about power continuity. It becomes childish and even idiotic if you have a character with wildly fluctuating abilities. You need to be grounded. This is part of the reason why "they" established abilities: so the writers could drawn upon them and write stories within their abilities. It also grounds them to certain rules. Not all stories and feats are reasonable within those ground rules. You then end up with CIS and PIS.

At least with Hulk, you can pretend that Hulk just got Madder to justify the durability and strength. I'm okay with some of the more outlandish feats because that was written into his character a looooong time ago.

Basically, you care just as much as I do. But the sake of this particular character and thread, you don't, just to make a point. Really, your taste in fiction is not that childish and underdeveloped. You've proven you have a keen eye to detail so it does bother when they write shit into stories. Maybe not as much myself or others, but you do notice.

You can't always take what the handbooks say as the gospel. For example, almost every handbook and fan page says Colossus only weighs 500lbs when he's armored. Yet at least 4 times on panel he's been described as being over a ton in weight. On panel evidence trumps handbook.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You mean I'll be right, of course. More right than you, at the minimum. Factually correct as a necessity of it being me. More correct than some scientist's estimates, at the most.

lolno.

I am not going to play these games. 🙂 You look it up yourself and on't be lazy. I already told you the key terms you could use to find the thread.

Or I could just not look it up at all. I could do that too.

I reject your obvious PIS and submit his ass getting handed to him by She-Hulk.

What, you think I am easily swayed by some of the more outlandish and common place and out of character feats? 😐

You'll have to do better than that. I'm not the Marvel comic newb that you may have thought I was. estahuh I grew up on Marvel comics.

Why are you using the Thing being beaten by She-Hulk as evidence?. Since... She-Hulk is canonically stronger than The Thing, lifting the maximum weight The Thing works out with using one hand, and that was a feat from a while ago. IIRC she has gotten stronger. Hell, actually, didn't she beat Mortal Hercules in an arm-wrestling match? Mortal Hercules can lift far in excess of a hundred tons.

Though you are right, the Thing stopping the crust thingamabob was from an ad and not canon, sorry about that.

edit - I found the thread on my second search attempt. I also read the thread in the time it took me to post this post and make the edit. You're just being lazy. Look up the thread with a little bit of searching. It will take you a massive 30 seconds to find.

After I am done reading this chapter of Samurai Deeper Kyo I may look it up. Maybe.