Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😬Is this some kind of joke? You adhere to handbooks, at best a second hand non canon source and you dismiss on panel showings? This isn't Spider-Man beating Firelord. I'm sorry, but you don't get to throw out feats willy nilly because you don't like them.
You were discussing the comic versions of the character no? If so, it's relevant.
I automatically dismiss complete bullshit feats like that. It's out of character and PIS to the max. Wrong thread to have you bullshit Comic Book versus discussions in, btw.
The writers that go overboard and right outrageous feats that are very out of character have no authority, in my view. This is also part of why I avoid the CBVF for the most part. It's just a wank fest of PIS feats half the time. I love some of my brothers in the CBVF...but I just can't be bothered by the b.s. (most of the time...sometimes...I give in to temptation and post).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thing lifts and tosses the Louvre Pyramid (Thousands and thousands of tons):
http://i.imagehost.org/view/0923/Fantastic_Four_v3_001-34
http://i.imagehost.org/view/0719/Fantastic_Four_v3_001-40
Thing would not have been able pick up the Louvre Pyramid. The flexing, alone, would have caused the glass to shatter and the supporting metal "skeleton" would have bent quite easily. His tiny hands on a large structure may also make it impossible to actually pick it up: the metal would just bend under the force of his hands.
Lastly, the Louvre Pyramid weighs 95 tons.
http://goparis.about.com/od/parismuseums/ss/louvre-museum-pictures.htm
Sh*t feat is still sh*t. 🙂 This feat is closer to something I would accept, however, because it is much closer to his supposed strength. 🙂
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Completely surpasses the force equilvant to crush a small mountain:
http://a.imagehost.org/view/0409/MarvelTwo-in-One077-02
http://a.imagehost.org/view/0998/MarvelTwo-in-One077-01
1. The pressure plates may not have reached maximum in force at that point as it was being gradually increased for safety reasons by Reed.
2. That's 1-ton a square inch.
That does not show us an actual strength feat because the context is left ambiguous.
Regardless, it is much easier to stand stationary and resist a force. That feat is more in line with durability (the ability to avoid having your bones/arms snap) than it is strength. Ben just went "full-power" before all forces were applied by the pressure plates. It speaks more to Ben's idiocy and bull-headedness than it does his actual strength.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The fact that your entire argument revolves around doing math doesn't help you any. Characters of this nature aren't that feat heavy, but I'm sure you have no problem figuring out how much force it takes to send Hulk flying through a mountain etc.
You mean it doesn't help you any.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
My apologies, here you go:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Sasplane1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men120b.jpg
Cool. I figured as much. Context was key. This was the Tanaraq version. 🙂
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If you're going to dismiss every showing I post because you don't like it then just tell me now so I wont waste my time. I can't show a person that they're wrong if they won't even accept the evidence.
No, not dismiss every showing.
Perhaps you didn't read (you didn't):
I automatically dismiss complete bullshit feats like that. It's out of character and PIS to the max. Wrong thread to have you bullshit Comic Book versus discussions in, btw.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That was Saquatch's first appearance, and yet it's PIS? Lol, wow.Sasquatch pulls and lifts a destroyer nany ship (Has an average displacement of around 5,000 tonnes or higher):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_11.jpg
Learn a little about Marvel before you start spouting off feats.
That was his Tanaraq form. Walter is not nearly as strong as he used to be because he is no longer linked to that Great Beast form.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wait until you see Drax busting a planet, tearing a Star in half etc.You want to throw out any showing that contradicts your opinion and yet my stance -accepting what happens on panel- is retarded? The irony.
You not only think handbooks are accurate, you believe writers pay them any heed? Haha.
No, I will throw out any feat that absurdly eclipses the characters decided upon power set...because...
This is why we have to go with the reasonable and official "guidelines" set forth by Marvel on their character's abilities. Getting beaten by She-Hulk: reasonable as they are around the same strength (she's weaker) with She-Hulk being a better H2H combatant. Meaning, the stupid out-of-character feats are just that: stupid and out of character. This is why we can't have nice things: some writers turn everything to shit or create massive amounts of CIS/PIS. "What's this? You can't generate thousands tons of force (ton-force) like you did against that battle ship? Man, that's reduced you to either using a shit-ton of CIS or creating PIS for this entire volume. Thanks, writers, for ruining shit with your outlandish feats in prior chapters!"
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well I'm discussing purely the comic incarnations.
Then GTFO. No one is forcing you to stay here.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If we can't do it here, let's continue this in the comic book section.
No thank you.
Here's why:
The writers that go overboard and right outrageous feats that are very out of character have no authority, in my view. This is also part of why I avoid the CBVF for the most part. It's just a wank fest of PIS feats half the time. I love some of my brothers in the CBVF...but I just can't be bothered by the b.s. (most of the time...sometimes...I give in to temptation and post).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not that knowledgeable on these particular characters so I'm certain there are a few high end feats that I've forgotten that will be posted. Can't wait until K-M sees that you don't think Sasquatch is class 100.
OOHH BOY! dur
Well, you've clearly shown your ignorance concerning Sasquatch. Guess you didn't know he was greatly depowered?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I guess my earlier question is answered. No matter how much evidence I post, if you won't be swayed, then I won't bother anymore.
You are correct. You question was already answered before you even posted. This is why you should read.
Lastly, I can always fall back on "This is the MvF."
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm curious how far your willing to take this adherence to handbooks. For a decent amount of time, Thor was at 95 tons (No one cared enough to change it at the time), do you stand by this?
YES! 😆
Use the character iterations in your vs. matchups that YOU the thread starter want. This is done well and consistently in the CBVF. Do you not see it? I do.
This is the beauty of being the thread starter: set your thread conditions. 🙂
Originally posted by lilshogun
Make sure refrence the writer because it is important since some writers tend to go off the scale of things.
👆
Originally posted by NemeBro
I love how dadudemon plays the "NOT MOVIE RELEVANT" shit, yet just before he was perfectly willing to say that Edward was stronger than their comic incarnations.Why are you playing that card now that someone cared enough to put forward feats that prove you wrong dadudemon?
I apologize that you weren't paying attention to the beginning of our conversation but this is what I had stated from the very beginning when you brought it up.
I don't abide by the atrocious out of character feats that cause horrendous amounts of PIS in American Comic Books. This is also why I do not post very often in the Comic Book Versus Section: there's a sh*t ton of contradictions even from the same versions of characters.
Just to show that you're wrong about what I'm doing, please observe exhibit A:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Out of ability feats do not count!!!!!! RAAAGEEE! 😠
As you can tell, I was joking but there is truth to my words. Therein lies my problems with many American Comic books. The problem stems from editors not forcing writers to have to re-write their sh*t when they go overboard. The problem is also writers who seem to have Alzheimer's when it comes to the established guidelines for character's abilities.
