Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Funny how this turned from Werewolf vs Werewolf to how much better Edward is than the Underworld vampires.So.....how do the Twilight wolves match up? I have no idea of their feats but considering they can keep up with the Twivamps then I guess they win? However since I've heard otherwise, I'm even more confused.
Good point. We should play tummy sticks.
Originally posted by dadudemon
]That was his Tanaraq form. Walter is not nearly as strong as he used to be because he is no longer linked to that Great Beast form.
No it wasn't, it's the same body Walter has now. True Tanaraq is 100 feet tall and traped ina giant cage in the Realm of the Beasts. All Walter is and has been is an avatar for his soul to cross over not his true body. They explained that in Alpha Flight #1 when Tundra, another Great Beast used a human host like Tanaraq did to Walter. Tundra "Crossed" over, but was merely an earthly manifestation. He used a connection to a human host to cross over due to a link...which Walter still has
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight24-19.jpg
Originally posted by dadudemon
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Learn a little about Marvel before you start spouting off feats.That was his Tanaraq form. Walter is not nearly as strong as he used to be because he is no longer linked to that Great Beast form..
Oh my, so wrong. It was shown in Alpha Flight vol.1 and Omega Flight he still has that connection. Heck in Alpha Flight vol.1 Snowbird was possessed by Tanaraq as she merely took Sasquatch form...and that is the same body Walter has right now.
So no your wrong he is STILL linked and is stated as such.
Originally posted by dadudemon
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OOHH BOY! durWell, you've clearly shown your ignorance concerning Sasquatch. Guess you didn't know he was greatly depowered?
No he wasn't nor was that ever said or stated anywhere. They even recently said his base form is class 90, but has the ability to tap more into Tanaraq's power adding to his strength granting him class 100 strength.
Don't claim someone is ignorant, when you are in fact wrong 😬
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, his best feat is uprooting a tree, in the mountains, in the frozen ground, by applying a transverse force to the tree. It's 5 times harder, on average, to uproot a tree that direction. FYI.
Was it similar to something like this (sans angle)? I havent seen the instance your talking about but that's hardly special
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page01.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page02-03.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page04.jpg
4. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page05.jpg
Edit: Is this the tree?
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l31lpqTfRH1qzmlgro1_500.png
Originally posted by -K-M-
Was it similar to something like this (sans angle)? I havent seen the instance your talking about but that's hardly special1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page01.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page02-03.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page04.jpg
4. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight020Page05.jpgEdit: Is this the tree?
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l31lpqTfRH1qzmlgro1_500.png
😆 trees beware!
Originally posted by Newjak
wait did someone just say KM knows nothing about members of AF.That is too good 😛
No he was talking to Rage, I saw the post and corrected him.
He did however say Edward Cullen is far stronger then Thing, Sasquatch and Colossus because he pushed over a tree in the winter. 😕
Regardless of the tree, there is no reason we merely accept his highest strength feat and then discredit the others superior feats. Unless he is constantly doing class 100 feats (not even sure if the tree incident is, have to see it for myself) you can't merely discredit when other people show more frequent superior strength feats....that's just asinine
The tree walter ripped from the ground was indeed greater then 1 meter though. In his Sasquatch form Walter is 10 feet tall and 2000lbs, yet he still looks tiny compared to that tree.
dadudemon's point is that it requires 60 kilonewtons (At most, I should say, based on his source) to vertically pull a stump out with the roots using a machine (Forget the type). It is apparently five times more difficult to do so horizontally. 60 kilonewtons is more or less the equivelant to 60 tons of force, multiplied by five that is 300 tons of force.
Which... Isn't actually even on par with what handbooks say about Colossus, is it?
Like I said I have to see the actual instance he is talking about, but it all becomes subjective as you don't know the soil type or even the density of the tree (insect harvested, decaying matter, etc.) so all becomes hearsay. Regardless you can't discredit superior feats because...well...he doesn't like it. Correct me if I'm wrong isnt the 60N from removing of a stump rather then the whole tree?
In the handbooks Colossus is listed as class 100, which means he can lift in excess of 100 tons. When he was a teenager he was listed at only 70 tons.
Hopefully he can find the video, or confirm that is the alleged tree.
I should point out that that is how much force Edward can exert, not how much he can necessarily lift. Colossus' punch would be a good deal greater than what he can press over his head.
Edit: Yes, the 60 kilonewtons is from removing the stump, not the whole tree, but Edward's tree, if that is it, looks less thick than those stumps, and he only pushed it over, he wouldn't have to uproot it so much as push it until its weight can uproot itself, and frankly if that is it Edward would have much better leverage than one would with a stump.
From this report they said:
"No stump required more than 60 kN crane force and functions for maximum force requirements indicate that powerful harvesters and forwarders (gross crane lifting capacity of 273 and 155 kNm, respectively) should be able to uproot all stumps with <61 cm (0.61 m)and >32 cm (0.32) diameter". Diameter all less then 1 meter
"Hence, a 35 cm (0.3 meters) pine stump should require a vertical force of 84 kN"
"However, in a review from the 1960s Czereyski et al. (1965) refer to findings that mature (5-25 years after felling) 20-35 cm diameter pine stumps require uprooting forces of 15-150 kN, and based on a study on 150 Scots pine (Pinus sylvestris) stumps in sandy soil, Horváth-Szováti and Czupy (2005) concluded that the force required was dependent on the stump diameter
http://www.metla.fi/silvafennica/full/sf44/sf444681.pdf
These numbes are just from stumps not including the entire tree. So I would really like to see this video and the math behind all this
Originally posted by -K-M-
No it wasn't, it's the same body Walter has now. True Tanaraq is 100 feet tall and traped ina giant cage in the Realm of the Beasts. All Walter is and has been is an avatar for his soul to cross over not his true body. They explained that in Alpha Flight #1 when Tundra, another Great Beast used a human host like Tanaraq did to Walter. Tundra "Crossed" over, but was merely an earthly manifestation. He used a connection to a human host to cross over due to a link...which Walter still hashttp://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight24-19.jpg
No it wasn't. That was Walter's Tanaraq beast form. It has been that way for ages until recently.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh my, so wrong. It was shown in Alpha Flight vol.1 and Omega Flight he still has that connection. Heck in Alpha Flight vol.1 Snowbird was possessed by Tanaraq as she merely took Sasquatch form...and that is the same body Walter has right now.So no your wrong he is STILL linked and is stated as such.
OMG, there's so much wrong with this.
No, current Sasquatch form is no the Big Beast Tanaraq form. Not True Tanaraq like you're trying to red herring the point.
Originally posted by -K-M-
No he wasn't nor was that ever said or stated anywhere. They even recently said his base form is class 90, but has the ability to tap more into Tanaraq's power adding to his strength granting him class 100 strength.
Yes he was. Prove that he's not greatly weakened from his Tanaraq form.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Don't claim someone is ignorant, when you are in fact wrong 😬
Don't claim you are right when you are in fact wrong.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Edit: Is this the tree?http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l31lpqTfRH1qzmlgro1_500.png
Let's go with this:
Originally posted by -K-M-
No he was talking to Rage, I saw the post and corrected him.
You mean you flexed your ignorance?
Originally posted by -K-M-
Regardless of the tree, there is no reason we merely accept his highest strength feat and then discredit the others superior feats. Unless he is constantly doing class 100 feats (not even sure if the tree incident is, have to see it for myself) you can't merely discredit when other people show more frequent superior strength feats....that's just asinine
Actually, there is: place Edward into the PIS world of Marvel under the same inflation and we end up with stupid feats for Edward, as well. Keep them in character. It was stated numerous times that the vampires were stupid strong. At one point, cares are called "styrofoam" to the vampires. This is not even the new borns.
Edward's feat of tree pushing puts him into the hundreds of tons level. That's in character for him.
In character for Thing to exert forces far in excess of the 90-100 ton class? Nah.
Originally posted by -K-M-
The tree walter ripped from the ground was indeed greater then 1 meter though. In his Sasquatch form Walter is 10 feet tall and 2000lbs, yet he still looks tiny compared to that tree.
Tanaraq form. He's not even close to that strong, anymore. Thank you for playing.
Originally posted by NemeBro
dadudemon's point is that it requires 60 kilonewtons (At most, I should say, based on his source) to vertically pull a stump out with the roots using a machine (Forget the type). It is apparently five times more difficult to do so horizontally. 60 kilonewtons is more or less the equivelant to 60 tons of force, multiplied by five that is 300 tons of force.Which... Isn't actually even on par with what handbooks say about Colossus, is it?
AHA! So you looked it up. Nice. 🙂
Originally posted by -K-M-
From this report they said:
"No stump required more than 60 kN crane force and functions for maximum force requirements indicate that powerful harvesters and forwarders (gross crane lifting capacity of 273 and 155 kNm, respectively) should be able to uproot all stumps with <61 cm (0.61 m)and >32 cm (0.32) diameter". Diameter all less then 1 meter"Hence, a 35 cm (0.3 meters) pine stump should require a vertical force of 84 kN"
"However, in a review from the 1960s Czereyski et al. (1965) refer to findings that mature (5-25 years after felling) 20-35 cm diameter pine stumps require uprooting forces of 15-150 kN, and based on a study on 150 Scots pine (Pinus sylvestris) stumps in sandy soil, Horváth-Szováti and Czupy (2005) concluded that the force required was dependent on the stump diameter
http://www.metla.fi/silvafennica/full/sf44/sf444681.pdf
These numbes are just from stumps not including the entire tree. So I would really like to see this video and the math behind all this
"The studies reviewed in Biller
and Baumgras (1987) corroborates this hypothesis,
since at least five times more force is required
for laterally uprooting 25 cm stumps compared to
the mean values in this study. It seems, thus, that
stumps should preferably be uprooted vertically
to minimize force requirements."
Indeed. Now do you fellas believe me? 🙂
I believe the leverage arm mixed in with the 5 times information is where I got a nice conservative estimate of "hundreds of kN of froce" which you can translate into ton-force.
