Superman vs Thor: EXTREME RAGE EDITION

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And what happens if Superman gets hit by Omnidirectional godly blasts, and then when Superman is rocked Thor follows up by a Full On God Blast??!!

Likewise I could say Thor is just too versatile for Superman. And his magical based godly energy blasts are just too powerful for Superman.

You keep stating this as fact, and have yet to prove it.

If Superman gets hit with a god blast then he would be in some serious trouble.
A random omnidirectional blast will hurt him but not enough to instantly take him out of the fight based off what we seen in Superman's history. If Thor hits Superman with the hammer very hard and pounces on Superman without relenting (like he did Glads) then he can win.

Thor is more versatile that Superman. But having a more simpler powerset and the ability to think faster in combat makes it seems like Superman is more versatile. For, example let's say you can do 1000 different things in battle. But in real battle time either all these options will slow you down (because you have to make a decision). While someone that can only do 3 things, and them well and instinctively, is going to seem more versatile than you and they will also seem to have an advantage against you.

Superman is faster and more simpler. Thor is slower and more complicated.
The only thing in Thor's fighting instinct where he doesn't have to think long about a tactic is blocking random beam attacks from afar. Other things he has to think about concerning the unique situation at hand.

And by these characters being bloodlusted both Thor and Superman would be thinking bash and punish. This gives Superman and overwhelming advantage since he's faster and will be thinking bash with speed.

Now everyone here knows Superman is stronger, it's just that some will argue that it's not by much. But no one says Thor is stronger. Even if the two were equals in the strength dept then still if either hits the other with all their might then the other will be rocked and stunned momentarily. Do you agree?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
If Thor thought Superman was strong enough to kill Odin, wouldn't that make him more cautious and less bloodlusted?

He charged right in against Surtur, and picked fights with Celestials, so probably not.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman IS stronger than thor.

He Might have an edge in Strength, but no clear/significant difference has been shown/proven.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
If Thor thought Superman was strong enough to kill Odin, wouldn't that make him more cautious and less bloodlusted?

Originally posted by h1a8
If Superman gets hit with a god blast then he would be in some serious trouble.
A random omnidirectional blast will hurt him but not enough to instantly take him out of the fight

Its the same as an all out Speed Blitz by Supes.

The initial blitz would hurt him, but would not be enough to take him out of the fight. However IF Supes relentlessly pursues this attack then Thor will be in serious trouble.

On the other hand an initial godly omnidirectional blast from Thor would hurt/rock Supes, and IF Thor follows up relentlessly with an all out God Blast then it will most likely be over for Supes.

At least we have some common ground now. We both agree Thor needs to avoid Supes relentlessly Speed Blitzing him, and Supes has to avoid a god blast.

Originally posted by h1a8
Now everyone here knows Superman is stronger, it's just that some will argue that it's not by much. But no one says Thor is stronger.

Im not sure about that. Most the people who support Thor in a Thor vs Supes say they are about equal in strength. As do many Supes supporters. Simply because no one has seen clear evidence to show one significantly superior in that department.

I think what you're referring to is Thor supporters not having a problem giving Superman the edge in strength.

Superman had feats like moving planets around including the megadon planet which is far bigger than earth, what does thor have? failing twice to lift the misgard serpent? until the thor fans can point out some kind of real strength feat superman >>> thor in strength

Dan Jurgens said Superman and Thor are closely matched, and Thor might even be stronger.

However, Jurgens is also the guy who had Superman KOed from a gas station exploding and wrote a possessed Cyborg Superman one shot KOing him right after he survived much worse under another writer, so take that for what it's worth.

i take only on panel feats as worth and going by on panel feats Superman was able to move planets while other forces were trying to prevent him from doing so, was moving a huge planet much bigger than earth, lifted a book with infinity pages.

thor? lifted a tank, failed to lift the misgard serpent twice.... anything else?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Its the same as an all out Speed Blitz by Supes.

The initial blitz would hurt him, but would not be enough to take him out of the fight. However IF Supes relentlessly pursues this attack then Thor will be in serious trouble.

On the other hand an initial godly omnidirectional blast from Thor would hurt/rock Supes, and IF Thor follows up relentlessly with an all out God Blast then it will most likely be over for Supes.

At least we have some common ground now. We both agree Thor needs to avoid Supes relentlessly Speed Blitzing him, and Supes has to avoid a god blast.

Im not sure about that. Most the people who support Thor in a Thor vs Supes say they are about equal in strength. As do many Supes supporters. Simply because no one has seen clear evidence to show one significantly superior in that department.

I think what you're referring to is Thor supporters not having a problem giving Superman the edge in strength.

Actually by feats (since they never faced each other) Superman should be astronomically stronger than Thor. His quantifiable feats exceeds Thor by an astronomical amount. So there is no argument that they are not equals in the strength dept. Saying Superman is slightly stronger than Thor is actually being nice to Thor and giving Thor the benefit of the doubt. But them being equals or Thor beings stronger is asinine as not only their entire history says otherwise but Superman has the much superior quantifiable feats.

Lastly, energy blasts are not the same as punches. Energy blasts can be waded through (especially since they have burning power), punches can't (unless you are far superior physically to the other). So Thor withstanding Superman's punches is not the same as Superman withstanding Thor's random energy blasts. But yes I agree that Superman MUST avoid the god blast otherwise he will lose.

Originally posted by Maestro721
i take only on panel feats as worth and going by on panel feats Superman was able to move planets while other forces were trying to prevent him from doing so, was moving a huge planet much bigger than earth, lifted a book with infinity pages.

thor? lifted a tank, failed to lift the misgard serpent twice.... anything else?

He resisted a score of planets worth of force, enduring exponentially increasing gravitational force, moved the World Engine, closed dimensional rifts with his bare hands, threatened to knock the world out of orbit with arm wrestling, etc.

Going by feats and portrayals against other top tiers/elites, Superman and Thor are pretty much equals.

Originally posted by Maestro721
Superman had feats like moving planets around including the megadon planet which is far bigger than earth, what does thor have? failing twice to lift the misgard serpent? until the thor fans can point out some kind of real strength feat superman >>> thor in strength

Yes he did lift the midgars serpent.. He's lifted Asgard with BRB, and the Worl Engine is the feat most impressive. Theres nothing Superman has does that clearly puts him above Thor strength feat wise.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He resisted a score of planets worth of force, enduring exponentially increasing gravitational force, moved the World Engine, closed dimensional rifts with his bare hands, threatened to knock the world out of orbit with arm wrestling, etc.

he didnt close any dimensional hole with his bare fists, it was him and hercules together punching and using a combined force which is twice as strong as thor

threatening to do something doesnt mean crap unless its an on panel feat its miningless

enduring high gravity force is not a feat of lifting, its overall a durability feat and i guess its some kind of strength feat but it cant be messured i mean do you know how strong the gravity force was? and even if we do it still doesnt mean much , i asked for clear strength feats such as moving planets or lifting something really heavy

moved the world engine? its <<< superman planet moving feats

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes he did lift the midgars serpent.. He's lifted Asgard with BRB, and the Worl Engine is the feat most impressive. Theres nothing Superman has does that clearly puts him above Thor strength feat wise.

he failed to lift the misgard serpent twice and only once he was able to fish it? Lol its not even a lifting feat and it was one of his old ass showings from the 70s or something, anyway he failed to lift the misgard serpent twice therefor he cant lift him.

he lifted asgard with the help of BRB and how heavy is asgard? thats a pathetic showing

superman was moving the earth while extremely strong forces were trying to prevent him from doing so , superman was moving the magedon planet which is much bigger than planet earth, and of course we got superman lifting a book with infinity pages which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything thor ever done

What I don't get about the book of limbo, is that it was claimed having infinite pages.This is what's bothering me.How did Ultraman read the end of the book if it has infinite pages 😕 ?

Just asking by the way.

I'm unaware of Superman ever moving the Earth without help.

The only time he even moved the moon by himself, was when he was Electric Blue Superman.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes he did lift the midgars serpent.. He's lifted Asgard with BRB, and the Worl Engine is the feat most impressive. Theres nothing Superman has does that clearly puts him above Thor strength feat wise.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He resisted a score of planets worth of force, enduring exponentially increasing gravitational force, moved the World Engine, closed dimensional rifts with his bare hands, threatened to knock the world out of orbit with arm wrestling, etc.

Going by feats and portrayals against other top tiers/elites, Superman and Thor are pretty much equals.

Score of planets is hyperbole and even it is not then it is still far less than what Superman has done. The increasing gravity feat is unquantifiable. The World Engine is unquantifiable. Punching a dimension that is already visible in the air is unquantifiable. Arm wrestling for hours just to get the Earth out of orbit is far below Superman's best since the accelerating was super low.

Lastly, portrayals don't work since Superman and Thor are from different companies so that ABC logic won't work. Superman by best feats is still far above Thor in the strength category. But this is irrelevant since both can rock each other with their blows. The only place strength would matter for these two is in grappling (overpowering when grappled up).

Personally it seems your purpose is to even out the two characters so that no one is salty and Marvel won't lose money. I could be wrong. It just feels that way to me.

Originally posted by h1a8
Score of planets is hyperbole and even it is not then it is still far less than what Superman has done. The increasing gravity feat is unquantifiable. The World Engine is unquantifiable. Punching a dimension that is already visible in the air is unquantifiable. Arm wrestling for hours just to get the Earth out of orbit is far below Superman's best since the accelerating was super low.

Lastly, portrayals don't work since Superman and Thor are from different companies so that ABC logic won't work. Superman by best feats is still far above Thor in the strength category. But this is irrelevant since both can rock each other with their blows. The only place strength would matter for these two is in grappling (overpowering when grappled up).

Personally it seems your purpose is to even out the two characters so that no one is salty and Marvel won't lose money. I could be wrong. It just feels that way to me.

Okay?

Being from different companies doesn't mean anything. Anyone with common sense who's read plenty of Thor and Superman comics alike knows that in a fight, barring politics or any other kind of excuses, it's going to be close. Feats suggest that much, writer opinions, etc.

My purpose? The way I view Thor and Superman in the general sense is based off of what the comics show me. I don't have an agenda to prove nor am I "Marvel-lite" trying to save the company money...which is probably one of the more...interesting claims I've heard about me outside of being a secret Thanos fanboy. Personally, it feels to me that you skim through respect threads for feats and grossly extrapolate and throw out arbitrary numbers that don't have any semblance at all to the comics themselves, specifically when it comes to speed. *shrug*

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman IS stronger than thor.

Even if that's true (and I think it is, tbh), the margin isn't big enough to where it's like Mike Tyson fighting a twelve year old.

Originally posted by h1a8
Keep what up? I been discussion with you only the last few posts. Did I say anything out of pocket recently in my last few posts with you? I thought we were having a civil and reasonable discussion.

Also, what is baiting (as far as posting in a forum) ? Sorry, I never knew what this ever was.

I'm not trying to be mean or have a go at you; this "combo to ko" thing is just not a valid debating tactic, and only tends to infuriate people given that it's generally impractical given the amount of variables involved.

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As far as the fight goes: I've always been of the opinion that Superman's speed edge (he does have one), will be cancelled out by Thor's magic/versatility edge (and vice versa), leaving them almost evenly matched.

The fight can swing either way, I just think Superman would win. Thor is capable of winning though.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He resisted a score of planets worth of force, enduring exponentially increasing gravitational force, moved the World Engine, closed dimensional rifts with his bare hands, threatened to knock the world out of orbit with arm wrestling, etc.

Going by feats and portrayals against other top tiers/elites, Superman and Thor are pretty much equals.