Superman vs Thor: EXTREME RAGE EDITION

Originally posted by h1a8
The world engine is unquantifiable, the same goes for the book with infinite pages. As far as quantifiable feats where a lower bound is known and no hyperbole is included then Superman has the starbreaker feat. The feat required more than 50Earth weights of force even assuming Hal was pulling with half the force. This feat along with Maggeddon trumps anything Thor has done, quantifiable wise, by an astronomical amount.

The world engine isnt completely unquantifiable. It has a minimum weight there. It has to have been carrying the wieght of scores of planets at the least.

Its not like the book of inifinity which we have no way of even determining a minimum weight for it.

The starbreaker feat wasnt the weight of 50 Earth's. Thats never been canonically stated and only exists in your calculations. And he did it with Hal. Are you telling me Hal now is stronger than Thor, because he was also involved in that feat.

I wouldn't put that feat above Thor and BRB lifting Asgard. I wouldn't even put it above Thor lifting the midgard serpent.

Originally posted by abhilegend
World engine is trumped by Superman lifting infinity, twice.

Actually Thor has lifted his weight times infinity. But that feat and lifting the book of infinity are not quantfiable at all. Unless you are suggesting Superman can actually lift infinity? If that was true he could lift the Universe with ease. Because even the Universe does not have an infinite amount of weight.

Not that I'm saying that Thor's wasn't impressive, but Superman wasn't just moving the Earth; he was moving it AND pushing against Starbreaker's power at the time. That's impressive by any measure.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not that I'm saying that Thor's wasn't impressive, but Superman wasn't just moving the Earth; he was moving it AND pushing against Starbreaker's power at the time. That's impressive by any measure.

Superman doesn't need to use speed to beat Thor. I really wish the Superguys would STFU about it. Even if he did and I'm just throwing that out there, fights are in character here last I checked. So they still need to STFU about it.

Either way I'm all in favor of everybody to STFU about everything, everywhere, all the time.

Superman wins.

Originally posted by Starscream M
dooder, stop playing both sides!

I've already stated who I think wins, so I'm not.

Originally posted by Spire
Superman doesn't need to use speed to beat Thor. I really wish the Superguys would STFU about it. Even if he did and I'm just throwing that out there, fights are in character here last I checked. So they still need to STFU about it.

Either way I'm all in favor of everybody to STFU about everything, everywhere, all the time.

Superman wins.

They aren't really in character though; that's the point of the thread.

Originally posted by Starscream M
dooder, stop playing both sides!

Originally posted by -Pr-
I've already stated who I think wins, so I'm not.

They aren't really in character though; that's the point of the thread.

In your opinion, is Superman going to use high end speed and rain down punches in this thread?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The world engine isnt completely unquantifiable. It has a minimum weight there. It has to have been carrying the wieght of scores of planets at the least.

Its not like the book of inifinity which we have no way of even determining a minimum weight for it.

The starbreaker feat wasnt the weight of 50 Earth's. Thats never been canonically stated and only exists in your calculations. And he did it with Hal. Are you telling me Hal now is stronger than Thor, because he was also involved in that feat.

I wouldn't put that feat above Thor and BRB lifting Asgard. I wouldn't even put it above Thor lifting the midgard serpent.

Actually Thor has lifted his weight times infinity. But that feat and lifting the book of infinity are not quantfiable at all. Unless you are suggesting Superman can actually lift infinity? If that was true he could lift the Universe with ease. Because even the Universe does not have an infinite amount of weight.

Thor never lifted infinite weight.

Thor lifter asgard with the help of bill its a city lifting feat, superman got so many planet moving feats so we clearly see who is the stronger one

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why didn't you touch other feats I mentioned? Where is this weight times infinity scan?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton2.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not that I'm saying that Thor's wasn't impressive, but Superman wasn't just moving the Earth; he was moving it AND pushing against Starbreaker's power at the time. That's impressive by any measure.

You're right. I should'nt lowball the feat. Still not exactly easy to quantify either.

Originally posted by abhilegend
World engine is totally unquantifiable

We know it was pushed by the world tree, which consists of several worlds including Earth and Asgard.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lifting asgard with bill which is at most a city is greater than pushing earth against force of starbreaker!

Well I didnt say it was greater. But yeah I was low balling a bit there. But you cant tell me that or the Mageddon feat is greater than the world engine feat.

And Asgard is a whole seperate world. Has it ever been stated to only be the size of a city?

Originally posted by -Pr-
1. Superman is insanely angry, so isn't going to be using his speed creatively.
2. You're massively underrating Thor's speed, and the fact that he can do wide angle/omni-directional blasts.

If you were talking about characters other than Superman and Thor I might agree with you; it just doesn't apply in this case.

1. Supeman doesn't have to use his speed creatively. He will use it instinctively though, which puts him at a large advantage against Thor.
Plus Thor's creativity goes out the window too in this fight. He would be mad and only thinking about bashing Superman for the most part.

2. There are different levels of speeds, all of which are invisible to human eyes (bullets for example). Thor has never shown the level of speed against a character using Superman level speed on him in an up close situation. 100% of the time in comics when a character using Superman level speed (actually below IMO) on Thor then Thor gets either embarrassed or simply loses the upper hand. Now since Thor has no showings to contradict these then we can't count these as low showings.

To underestimate Thor's speed is to not know of some of his feats or ignore them. Well Rage, ODG, etc. have been posting Thor's feats for days (even years). Even in his respect thread there is nothing. Nothing to show that Thor is capable of dealing with Superman level speed in an up close situation (the fight will most likely get up close here). Probably you seen something (a feat) that makes you think we are underestimating Thor's speed?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You're right. I should'nt lowball the feat. Still not exactly easy to quantify either.

We know it was pushed by the world tree, which consists of several worlds including Earth and Asgard.

Well I didnt say it was greater. But yeah I was low balling a bit there. But you cant tell me that or the Mageddon feat is greater than the world engine feat.

And Asgard is a whole seperate world. Has it ever been stated to only be the size of a city?

The world engine was powered by the world tree, which holds the nine worlds together.. Its at least as impressive as moving several planets.

^No darth, it's unquantifiable. Even onedumbgo stated it in Thor respect thread.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength42494.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength43494.jpg
Thor's "mortal" essence grew (whatever that means) granting him the strength and will to do this feat.

^ What I mean is even though we dnt know how much wieght it was, we do know even as a minimum it was an extraordinary feat, much greater than moving one planet.

Kind of like the Starbreaker feat. We dnt know exactly how much force Supes was resisting there, but we can tell even as a minimum it was huge feat.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ What I mean is even though we dnt know how much wieght it was, we do know even as a minimum it was an extraordinary feat, much greater than moving one planet.

Kind of like the Starbreaker feat. We dnt know exactly how much force Supes was resisting there, but we can tell even as a minimum it was huge feat.

It was an engine. We have no clue how much force was needed. The minimum could have been 1 million tons for all we know.

With the starbreaker feat if you subtract starbreaker's force then the minimum of the feat was over 100 Earth weights of force. I assumed Superman pulled with half although it appears he pulled with all or most since Hal was also holding the construct together with will power. So Superman exerted 50 Earth weights of force minimum disregarding Starbreakers pull.

Originally posted by -Pr-
1. I'm sure.
2. His speed advantage is only so large, and Thor's own magic advantage, coupled with a higher power output, is nothing to sneeze at, especially since you've basically removed the mechanism where-by Superman would actually use his speed effectively.

I don't want to argue on the side of what's his face, but in terms of speed, the big problem with Thor is we have to pick go over all of his feats with a microscope to get an idea that he even has it apart from his hammer..

Unlike, say, Surfer, who's faster than light speed is a big part of his character (A herald wouldn't be much use to Big G if they couldn't travel faster than light..)

I know Thor does have enhanced reaction feats, as does Hulk, Doomsday, Lobo, and many other characters.. But with them, we have to either give them the benefit of the doubt or not. With Superman, it's simply clearly established that he has it. Maybe not to light speed levels, but to "everyone that's not Flash or on his speed level is a statue" levels, no question..

You want unquantifiable darth, try this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman punches through his own death

^ LOL Yes very quantifiable..

Hey I've never ever denied Superman's Awsomness! I just think Thor's a tad bit more Awsome!