Superman vs Thor: EXTREME RAGE EDITION

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Actually, Thor's speed feats build the nature of the character. Just because you have this preconception that Thor is some slow bulky warrior (he isn't) who couldn't possibly deal with speedsters (he does consistently) or who would have no chance against high speed attacks (he consistently deals with telepathy and light speed attacks) doesn't mean his feats are banished. You want to take feats at face value, then do it. Or don't. Go ahead and just be a hypocrite and/or act butt-hurt. Phuck do I care for your arbitrary rationale?

Thor mentioning that Wolverine is faster than he thought is worth about as much as Diana being impressed with Deathstroke. Only difference is, Superman fanboys aren't threatened by Wonder Woman as much as they are by Thor. So they don't keep bringing up the same level of lowball crap when it comes to her.

and I don't think thor is a slow buffoon, but I hardly put him on the lightspeed tier as a superman.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what the damn hell does who diana is impressed by affect superman? if you have superman being flustered by deathstrokes speed, that'd be relevant...

and I don't think thor is a slow buffoon, but I hardly put him on the lightspeed tier as a superman.

Because Diana's combat reflexes and skills are generally superior to that Superman's?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because Diana's combat reflexes and skills are generally superior to that Superman's?

Originally posted by Starscream M
when did she show her reflexes to be superior? skill is arguable, but I always thought superman had better speed reflexes

Originally posted by quanchi112
So skill is arguable when talking about WW and Superman yet reflexes isn't. Do you know who WW is ?

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes, skill is much more subjective a matter than speed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speed and reflexes aren't the same thing. It's all subjective anyways.

Originally posted by Starscream M
they're related imo

Originally posted by quanchi112
Related sure but someone can be faster in terms of raw speed and better reflexes in terms of combat.

Originally posted by Starscream M
sure, but what has diana done to demosntrate she has better reflexes than superman?

She relies on her skill and reflexes far more often than Superman who is durable enough to trade blows or tank attacks. This is how these characters are generally portrayed. Superman's no slouch in terms of reflexes it's just WW is slightly better.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Or all the other time he deals with light speed attacks. We'll just pretend they never happened. BTW, Quicksilver got wrecked by Exodus in Bloodties via his telepathy. Way to sabotage yourself. As far as I've seen, Superman's so far beneath Flash and Zoom in speed that any comparisons are awful. Superman's best combat speed feats (of which there are more than a few) put him at light speed and above and permit him to fight like a superspeedster (not Flash/Zoom level, mind you). Thor's best reflex speed feats (of which there are a few) put him at light speed and above and permit him to fight off superspeedsters (which he's done several times).

But I get it, apparently, you don't like taking Thor's feats at face value, so they never happened. And of course, the only way you will take Thor's feats at face value is if you're permitted to aggrandize and overgeneralize Superman's feats so Superman still wins. We get it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So tell me what feats does thor posses that prove he's lightspeed fast? Digging a trench or reacting to gladiator or reacting to surfer? Don't bring up "whirling mjolnir at bazillion times lightspeed", that so many thor fans likes to show. Quicksilver evaded the mental bolt of Exodus, so whether exodus beat him or not is moot. I think wolverine has also done some things like that, I am not sure though. Actually majority of time superman is just under the speed of flash unless you can show me some other speedster becoming intangible and has done things with speed not even flashes have done (vibrating an entire planet to another dimension, travelling lightyears in minutes). You are wrong, bizzaro has stalemated Zoom in footrace and Kal stopped Professor zoom in mid blitz after which Thawne admitted that his reflexes are nearly same to his own. He has also reacted and identified Barry while he was going at top speed in final crisis. But to you all of that is PIS, isn't it? If you are trying to prove superman and thor are in the same speed department, at least try to know superman's feats. I get it, you have tried to convince everyone for years that Thor is a speedster, good luck with that.

He's not saying Thor is a speedster or is in the same speed department as Superman.

He's saying that Thor has reflexes and feats to suggest him hitting Superman, which he does.

There's nothing crazy about that. Fact of the matter is that Superman isn't going to be an touchable blur to Thor, which is what some people, like h1, think.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Actually, Thor's speed feats build the nature of the character. Just because you have this preconception that Thor is some slow bulky warrior (he isn't) who couldn't possibly deal with speedsters (he does consistently) or who would have no chance against high speed attacks (he consistently deals with telepathy and light speed attacks) doesn't mean his feats are banished. You want to take feats at face value, then do it. Or don't. Go ahead and just be a hypocrite and/or act butt-hurt. Phuck do I care for your arbitrary rationale?

Thor mentioning that Wolverine is faster than he thought is worth about as much as Diana being impressed with Deathstroke. Only difference is, Superman fanboys aren't threatened by Wonder Woman as much as they are by Thor. So they don't keep bringing up the same level of lowball crap when it comes to her.

Thor owns.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's not saying Thor is a speedster or is in the same speed department as Superman.

He's saying that Thor has reflexes and feats to suggest him hitting Superman, which he does.

There's nothing crazy about that. Fact of the matter is that Superman isn't going to be an touchable blur to Thor, which is what some people, like h1, think.

Originally posted by abhilegend
to claim that Superman and thor are in the same speed class is frankly ridiculous and ignoring thor's character as a whole.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You would never find me telling that Thor can't hit Kal jake, but to claim that Superman and thor are in the same speed class is frankly ridiculous and ignoring thor's character as a whole. I already ridiculed h1a8 many times and starscream is just a buffon trying to be important.

He's not, though. He's saying that Thor has the feats to suggest he can both attack and defend against Superman, which he does. Nothing he's mentioned is ignoring Thor's character, really. He's not designed to be the archetypical flying brick like Superman, but he does have the means to engage those beings on even ground and beat them. When people try to act stupid and showcase Mongoose or Wolverine troubling Thor like the norm, it's usually an attempt to play up these speed disadvantage Thor apparently has....except, in the context of comics, it really doesn't exist nearly to the degree that people think it does.

No argument concerning h1 and Starscream.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You would never find me telling that Thor can't hit Kal jake, but to claim that Superman and thor are in the same speed class is frankly ridiculous and ignoring thor's character as a whole. I already ridiculed h1a8 many times and starscream is just a buffon trying to be important.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He said Superman was in the light speed class, and Thor was in the light speed reflex class...

Originally posted by abhilegend
So are you claiming that Thor would have no problems with superman's speed?