Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's not, though. He's saying that Thor has the feats to suggest he can both attack and defend against Superman, which he does. Nothing he's mentioned is ignoring Thor's character, really. He's not designed to be the archetypical flying brick like Superman, but he does have the means to engage those beings on even ground and beat them. When people try to act stupid and showcase Mongoose or Wolverine troubling Thor like the norm, it's usually an attempt to play up these speed disadvantage Thor apparently has....except, in the context of comics, it really doesn't exist nearly to the degree that people think it does.No argument concerning h1 and Starscream.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He said Superman was in the light speed class, and Thor was in the light speed reflex class...
👆 yep
Some of the posters here seem to put speed in 1 category saying you either have it or you dnt, whilst comics tend toput speed in a few different categories:
1) Travel speed
2) Movement
3) Reflexes and reaction time
The combination of these seem to make combat speed.
Thor seems to have 1 and 3 on the level of speedsters (still not as fast as Superman in these categories, but fast enough to fight him) but not 2.
But then he has all sorts of exotic, multi-directional and even light speed attacks (like energy blasts) to substitute well enough for 2.
Originally posted by abhilegend
They are thor's high end speed feats and mongoose, wolverine, spidey are low end feats. I am not going to claim that either are PIS. Thor has too many low showings and the lack of a definitive speed level for him doesn't help either. I think that Thor has enough reflexes to hit speedsters but he isn't going to do it everytime he tries. Speedsters would always hold an edge against him, smaller in case of someone like gladiator and larger in case of someone like Kal.
So what are Thor's average showings of speed feats if those mentioned are his high end ones? Curious as to know where you would place him in that regard. He's not going to hit Superman every time he tries, no, but Superman isn't going to dodge everything either. Just like a typical fight against two evenly matched foes. Depends on the speedster, too. They'll hold an edge when it comes to sheer speed, but Thor can effect wide areas of the environment at once, attack in multiple directions, and has the ability to home in on a target.
The edge that speedsters have isn't as big as you might think because of the edges Thor himself brings to the table.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So are you claiming that Thor would have no problems with superman's speed?
Of course he would have. Superman's faster than most speedsters even. And it will be Supes biggest advantage over Thor. But its not like h1a8 and starscream make out, as in just puts him out of Thor's league, and will make this a 5 second KO.
Originally posted by cdtm
Thor can't outrun a missile? Smells like PIS, or a writer that doesn't know Thor.
Did you see all the bullets hitting him whilst on the ground..... and Thor saying they'd bring him out in welts? Thor is such a girl, seriously, he is even hyperbolic and emo about getting hurt.
Originally posted by abhilegendEach character brings or holds an advantage.
So are you claiming that Thor would have no problems with superman's speed?
Thor's advantages:Mjolnir, more powerful, exploiting Superman's lack of vulnerability against magical attacks and weapons, fights better while angry.
Superman's advantages😖peed, strength, durability.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
👆He has feats which shit on bullets.
Yeah, but he also gets hit with them or has to spin his hammer really fast to block them a lot, the spinning the hammer is kind of a speed feat and kind of not. He got shot way back when in a FF with Daredevil and Spiderman you know.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So what are Thor's average showings of speed feats if those mentioned are his high end ones? Curious as to know where you would place him in that regard. He's not going to hit Superman every time he tries, no, but Superman isn't going to dodge everything either. Just like a typical fight against two evenly matched foes. Depends on the speedster, too. They'll hold an edge when it comes to sheer speed, but Thor can effect wide areas of the environment at once, attack in multiple directions, and has the ability to home in on a target.The edge that speedsters have isn't as big as you might think because of the edges Thor himself brings to the table.
That's why I give thor wins against gladiator but superman can dodge and tank those attacks pretty effectively. Oh and thor isn't going to incinerate superman with thousands of lightning bolts like darth said anymore than superman turning HV invisible and lobotomising thor through eye contact.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Of course he would have. Superman's faster than most speedsters even. And it will be Supes biggest advantage over Thor. But its not like h1a8 and starscream make out, as in just puts him out of Thor's league, and will make this a 5 second KO.
Originally posted by RudolphWang
From Biebs own account, Thors speed v bullets....Course Thor could have been holding back.
Originally posted by RudolphWang
Thor is not faster than a speeding bullet.http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/412/blackpanther08p12ig1.jpg/
I haven't been keeping up with the debate due to time constraints and I know that you're just a sock so it's ultimately irrelevant, but what are those scans supposed to prove? That Thor can't outmaneuver bullets or what not?
He can easily out fly such projectiles.
Superman has failed to catch speeding bullets, and has been shot at it when caught off guard, that doesn't mean anything either.
Originally posted by cdtmThat's Christopher Priest's Black Panther! 😱
Priest can be an excellent writer, but keep in mind he also had Black Panther do this to Mephisto:
A great issue, Black Panthers high end feats like this and the casual arm lock on the surfer indicate that he could certainly give Thor or Superman a run for there money. Fair comment, I don't know why people disregard on panel evidence.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Faster than thought is still super slow. It's not even bullet speed. Thor would literally be a statue. Thor Omnidirectional blasts aren't purely omnidirectional. Look at the scans again and you will see spaces between the blast.
Sure he could. Thor's reacted faster than thought. You're mistaken. Thor does have omnidirectional blasts. He's done it on-panel. And Superman's HV is useless since Mjolnir has drawn energy into it (Thor doesn't have to manually block energy attacks with it to absorb it).
Yes. He can. He's done it on-panel.Prove it. Show me Thor doing an AOE godblast from his body in context.
Yes. He can. He's done it on-panel. Thor has FTL reflexes and has reacted faster than thought. Superman might be also but he's not Flash.The speed of thought is pretty slow you know. It's not even .00000001% of the speed of light. Why bring up that stupid stuff? And don't talk to me about Thor's feat against Phoenix as
1. That attack wasn't faster than light since it had visible fire like energy on it and was shown to move in time.
2. Phoenix telegraphed by pointing her hands at Thor before the blast came out.
Also Thor can't draw HV or any beam into the hammer (especially when it is behind him), he must block it. Otherwise, show me Thor absorbing a beam attack at him without having the block it first.
Like I said, Superman must stay intangible to avoid being hit by a remote controlled Mjolnir that travels million times FTL, or to avoid being hit by perpetual AoE magical lightning or to avoid being incinerated by an omnidirectional magical Godblast. And Superman's HV is worthless as it would just get absorbed by Mjolnir and likely be projected back at him a hundred-fold.Mjolnir cannot travel light speed or faster instantly. It must take serious time to accelerate to those speeds. In one scan it took Thor many seconds just to reach light speed flying with it. In others, Thor had to whirl the hell out of Mjolnir before throwing it at fast speeds. Thor has no showings where the hammer reached faster than light speeds after throwing it without spending the time whirling it first.
