Thanos vs. Sentry/Void (all out)

thats what sentry is going to do on thanos

Originally posted by pee on badabing
thats what sentry is going to do on thanos

I support this guy and that elephant.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lets go over some quick points...

1. I started to read the thread but was mostly bombarded with nuh uh's, statements that lack context or relevance, and falacy after fallacy... i.e. i stopped reading

2. You got into a debate with anybody not backing for the win or dont have the same affinity for sentry's jewels. So that being said, it should be clear, even for a simpleton like youself, why I named you specifically.

3. I didn't see much from you, that i did read, that makes me believe Sentry wins. Thus, I thought if I had to be concise in your theories on how and why... it would be easier.

Now, which specific showings or feats give you the idea that he can compete with Thanos, let alone beat him?

Still waiting

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Still waiting

Oh, totally missed that one out, sorry.

1. Tell me the context / context lacking statements I made during the entire "debate", if you had me in mind as well, since something like that basically never happened. Everything I wrote in this entire thread has a background.

2. It looked more like you're yet another Thanos fanboy, who simply says "Thanos wins" and who is then afterwards not able to back it up.
That's what was going on in this thread the entire time. Everything Quanchi did was trying to overhype Thanos' current AOD upgrade, which is pathetic, since it's simply an upgrade after all and does not belong to the character, it's not his own respective power set. Additionally to that he really seems to believe that Sentry would lose, because he got BFR'ed by Hammond and that was his main argument through the entire debate.

3. My theries rely on greatly written fights, where the characters would make sure that they win the battle, because of their advantages. Sentry has far more advantages over Thanos then the opposite is the case and Sentry also has the advantage in terms of raw power.

Let's take it as an example ... a well written fight. Sentry would be able to defeat ... a bunch of X-Men easily, by simply using his versatility.
Storm wants to lightning-strike him? No problem, he can fly into the ground, through the ground, where the lightning doesn't have any effects, bullrush out of the ground behind her and slap her K.O. ... He can destroy Juggernaut's helmet and mind-rape him, there wouldn't even be a fight, yet this this board has a Sentry VS Juggernaut thread which has over 9 pages.
If Wolverine attacks him, he can dissolve Wolverine into oblivion and manifest him instalty after that again on a different spot.
He can easily redirect Cyclops' blast, just the way he already did it to attacks, he didn't even know what they were.
As someone with the speed beyond light, he can take out Quicksilver before that one even tries moving.

Not that the X-Men would be opponents for him, but in a comic book fight he would try to brawl it out, just the way he did it with Namor. I mean, Namor didn't land even one single punch. He was tossed around by the Sentry but even that was way too much. It would take the Sentry one single energy release and Namor would already have some serious problems and his power level would sink because of the heat.

The same applies for bullshit fights like the one during WW Hulk.
Sentry flies in and brawls it out with the Hulk. The writers know about Sentry's power level. They depower him for that particular fight, so that the Hulk would win in the end, especially by coming up with devices where Sentry lets punch himself to lower himself down, because of the area destruction.

They let Sentry ignore all the powers and advantages he would have over World War Hulk.
+ He could simply BFR him into the space and let him hovering there for days ...
+ He could simply speedblitz him, since he can move at a speed where Hulk would never be able to handle him ...
+ He could overwhelm him with his telepathy, since Sentry already managed to do it to Savage Hulk, who was probably even far more immune to telepathy, then WW Hulk ...
+ He could absorb his gamma radiation, since Sentry absorbs solar radiation on a regular basis and gets stronger thanks to that and that's not only limited to solar radiation ...
+ He could fly around and attack the Hulk from above, leaving the Hulk no chance to fight back ...
+ He could mind-wipe the Hulk and let him forget about his entire agenda ...

He could do so many things, yet in a comic book fight he brawls it out and refuses to dodge even one strike.

The same applies for other shitty moments in comic books like the Hammond instance, where he gets overloaded by the fire of an android, even though Sentry was IN the sun more then once and did just fine ...

Plot devices to get rid of him as soon as possible, since he is simply too powerful for the Marvel Earth and scum like Quanchi believes that these are valid showings of Sentry's power level ... Nope.

In my opinion Sentry would defeat Thanos, if the fight would be well written.

+ Thanos has basically NOT the feats to compete at that speed level at all ...

+ Thanos has NOT the strenght to compete with someone like the Sentry, who duplicated basically every feat thread Thanos came ever up with. Not that Thanos has any strenght lifting feats and even his punching feats are rather medicore, since he was mostly facing opponents who got some major strenght updates in the past ...

+ Sentry walks through the shields of Doctor Doom and Reed Richards like they're nothing. And I see these two characters coming up with better tech devices then Thanos, who mostly concentrates on gathering powerful artefacts, when it comes to using prep time ...

+ Thanos has NOT the energy projection feats to compete with someone like the Sentry who destroys planets while holding back. His energy is visible in the real world, while he is in a microverse ...

+ Thanos has NOT the matter manipulation feats to compete with someone who returns after Molecule Man destroys him and then makes the Molecule Man beg and destroys him ...

+ Thanos has NOT the telepathy feats to compete with someone who has such a powerful telepathic resistance, that Xavier and Emma Frost have to combine their efforts to even enter the White Room Emma once built in Sentry's mind under his permission ...

While that are mostly offensive abilities, a great offensive is often the best defensive.
Sentry is well known for actually utilizing his speed when it comes to a fight. He did it so often, where he didn't really leave his opponents a chance, like when he ripped off Morgana's head, killed off Attuma, K.O.'ed Blue Marvel, speedblitzed Baldar into the ground, speeded Thor out of Asgard and later on bullrushed through Asgard and took down the city, where Thor didn't even manage to raise his hand to throw Mjolnir to defend Asgard, aaaaand so on.

Sentry's speed combined with his strenght would end in some devastating attacks, since his speed would add much impact force to his mere attacks.
Additionally to that he has the durability to take it. He has a nigh invulnerability and even if someone gets past that, he can regenerate in seconds back from a skeleton.

Sentry can operate at speeds where Thanos can't keep up with, just the way it was portrayed during his fight with Captain Marvel, where he was not able to tag Marvel, until Marvel made a mistake and got tagged.
Sentry is faster then Marvel and much stronger. Additionally to that there is the power output which is enough to destroy planets while holding back and it was still Thanos, who had to teleport away from a planet being destroyed, while Sentry took planetary destructive blasts during his fight with Photon.

Sentry wins.

All that and there STILL isn't much that would lead me to believe Sentry wins. Lets go over a few salient points shall we...

It seems you don't like some of Sentry/Void's showings and are trying to re-write the canon history of a character because YOU feel it isn't consistent with a high end only sentry or a sentry you would write. The problem with that is 3 fold.

1. Sentry is no different than ANY other comic book character we debate on here who has low and high feats. Just like comic book characters aren't unlike Professional Teams or Individual players of any sport. They have there ups and there downs but those ups and downs leads us to an end. The end being, how they are viewed and portrayed on a consistent basis. Do we only look at the best performances of the Detroit Lions and forget their losses this year? No, if we did so, much like other teams we viewed that way, would look like they are going to the superbowl and winning it. That isn't how we view Tiger Woods and only view his victories and discount his losses as if they never existed. No, both the wins and the losses paint the picture we use on this forum or how people should evaluate players or teams. We don't just look at their high showings and call their low ones PIS, or nuh uh I don't like it because he did this so why would that happen (exactly what I was talking about). Just like anybody in existence, and like comic book characters we take ALL of their showings into account because that is what makes up a person. We don't just look at Sugar Ray Robinson against Kid Galivan, Jake L, Randy T, Henry A etc etc... We look at his fights against Gene F, Carmen B, Joey M etc etc. Losses define a man just as much as wins. One day it seems you'll understand this concept at apply it to your beleoved Sentry
2. On KMC and something it seems you "somehow" looked over.. they fight IN CHARACTER. How a character fights is defined by their fights.. ALL of their fights. Just because you don't like how they fight and think they could've done this or that changes nothing. What is CANON to this forum is how they did fight in ALL their fights. Just because I feel Roberto Duran should've roughed up Tommy Hearns and pressured him like he did SRL in his fight with Hearns.. Doesn't mean Hearns didn't beat him by KO and I still give the win to Duran based on how he should've fought in some made up fantasy in my head. That is exactly what I see you doing over and over again... Well he should've fought this way against x, y, and z and since he didn't, it doesn't count. Sorry but it does and that is how we define a character.
3. You're forgetting that sometimes characters make other characters fight THEIR fight. It's not one that suits them the best, but we see this is real life and comic books are no different. This can and does happen ALL the time. Credit is then given to the person who makes that happen, we don't go, nuh uh it doesn't count cause he didn't fight the fight i wanted him to. No, it doesn't work that way. Other factors like insecurity, ego, compassion come into play and they don't fight how they should (again just like real life), yet those are still perfectly valid showings. Why, because that is who they are and what they are made of. Sometimes it flares up, sometimes it doesn't. Doesn't mean we can discount them as valid showings. If we looked at every comic book character like you are viewing sentry and threw out all we didn't like... We wouldn't have half as much canon material as we do have and there would be no low showings. Sorry doesn't work that way on this forum.

Now that we have that part out of the way and we AREN'T discounting the fights and showings you want us to... lets get to the fight at hand. You claim Sentry has all the tools to get the job done and holds the overall edge in the most categories... Well lets see shall we...

1. Strength - How on God's Green Earth can you ever say Sentry is stronger is beyond me. Please list for me the strength feats that put sentry (in your eyes) above Thanos in strength. I've seen NOTHING from Sentry in all his showings that lead me to believe he is stronger. In fact, I view it the opposite way. You see, Thanos upon meeting guys with MORE AND BETTER strength feats than Sentry hasn't been overpowered with strength. I'm talking about Hulk, Thor, Herc, Thing, Drax etc etc. Why would that be? How is it that somebody that relies on their strength to almost always save the day and their THING IS STRENGTH gets overpowered and laughed at by Thanos? How could this be? Well, maybe it's a testiment to the strength of Thanos. So, if Thanos hasn't been overpowered by people with greater strength feats (by a lot) than Sentry, how on earth is sentry going to do so and what are you basing him being stronger on?

2. Mental Powers - Again where on earth are you getting this idea that Sentry is better in this area. You cite xavier and emma.. big whoop.. they could get into Sentry's mind... they couldn't even get in Thanos when they tried. So that feat got beat. To go further, 3 of the strongest Telepaths in Marvel couldn't even mind rape him when he was weakened. Again, that beats the feat you listed. Thanos beat Moondragon with the Mindgem (who beat Xavier and Emma) and didn't even really have to try. Some could argue Thanos did better at mind raping Galactus than even Odin did. Point is, Sentry has no chance to beat Thanos this way, in fact, it's Thanos who holds the edge in this category.

3. Blasting Power - Yet another area Thanos holds a clear edge. Lets go over some feats and see how and why you think Sentry can compete with Thanos. Thanos (in his weakest form) One shot killed a high herald in Warlock WITH the Soul Gem. Thanos has also one shot killed Phyla and Drax to name two more. What HH has sentry one shot killed please. Further evidence..... Thanos either matched or came close to matching the blast power of the In Betweener 9somebody far above Sentry or Thanos in overall power) to release him. Thanos one shot a Quasar construct that was holding back Thor, Hulk, Drax and a host of othe heroes who were trying to break it. Thanos one shot it. Thanos one shot punisher robots who gave Thor and the fantastic four long hard fights. A godblast to the back of a dying starving Galactus barely moved him. Thanos blasted a well fed galactus hundreds of feet out of his ship. So which blasting power showings of Sentry tops these please?

4. h2h combat... Thanos trained somebody who is one of the greatest MA in the known universe. He took on one of the most dangerous mercenary armies and beat them by using hand to hand only. Mar-vell being renowed for his skills... got punched from Saturn to the moon in one shot. Gaynamede who just got done blitzing surfer was dealt with easily by Thanos. Champion.. a renowed fighter was made to look like a fool against Thanos in their fight.

5. Striking power.. again Thanos. Show me sentry ever beating a peak herald to death in a matter of a few punches. Thaos did so to surfer. See the Mar-vell feat. All thanos needs is a few pimp slap to deal with people Sentry has long drawn out slugfest with. When you have somebody who deal with people with mere pimpslaps and mocks their strength and ability the whole time.. what does that tell us.. he is that far above them. These same people give Sentry long drawn out fights. See a difference here?

6. Speed - Ahhhh there is finally something Sentry is better at. Problem is, Thanos has such good reflexes Sentry speed will only get him pimp slapped away. For his reflex speed see Gaynamede, Surfer feats (where he blocked surfer's blasts after they were fired), see the Maker (pimp slapping away a point blank shot), See the Fallen One bull rush (who has we know was Trans light and his thing was a bullrush which one shot a planet and Thanos ship) See Thor on two different occasions tossing his hammer (after it was tossed) thanos was quick enough to raise his hand to stop the hammer. Those examples show, that while Thanos isnt the quickest in flight or speed.. he has very good reflexes that make speed pretty much null and void or at least accounted for.

7. Durability - I would call this one pretty close with a slight edge to Thanos. Both of them can reform from death or destruction. However, Thanos has shown a durability edge in taking punishment with less damage. It doesn't matter really since sentry can reform (as can thanos) but he does seem to take punishment better.

8. Stamina - Thanos has a clear advantage here. I've never once seen him tire in battle (which makes sense being an eternal with unliimited stamina) while Sentry has done just that.

9. Mental Strength and will power- which could be the same as mental powers but in this instance... Sentry's lack of both these areas are crucial. Sentry is mental weak and unstable... that couldn't be further from the truth with Thanos. Sentry lacks will power and mental fortitude as shown in his death. This couldnt be further from the Truth with Thanos. Thanos was specifically choosen because of his will by the TOAA. "You were choosen because of your will Titan" So if you have somebody mental weaker and with less will power than other.. those factors could certainly play a role in the outcome of a fight. Hmmmm those could also be reaons and part of HIS CHARACTER which explains his canon defeats.

10. Tech - Thanos has a clear edge here and doesn't need any further discussion

11. Intelligence and Cunning - Thanos has a clear and big edge here.. nothing further needs discussing.

So, as you can see Sentry DOESN'T hold the edge in all these areas you claim he does. In fact, he is inferior to Thanos in virtually all areas of a comic book fight.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It seems you don't like some of Sentry/Void's showings and are trying to re-write the canon history of a character because YOU feel it isn't consistent with a high end only sentry or a sentry you would write. The problem with that is 3 fold.

That's not the case.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. Sentry is no different than ANY other comic book character we debate on here who has low and high feats. Just like comic book characters aren't unlike Professional Teams or Individual players of any sport. They have there ups and there downs but those ups and downs leads us to an end. The end being, how they are viewed and portrayed on a consistent basis. Do we only look at the best performances of the Detroit Lions and forget their losses this year? No, if we did so, much like other teams we viewed that way, would look like they are going to the superbowl and winning it. That isn't how we view Tiger Woods and only view his victories and discount his losses as if they never existed. No, both the wins and the losses paint the picture we use on this forum or how people should evaluate players or teams. We don't just look at their high showings and call their low ones PIS, or nuh uh I don't like it because he did this so why would that happen (exactly what I was talking about). Just like anybody in existence, and like comic book characters we take ALL of their showings into account because that is what makes up a person. We don't just look at Sugar Ray Robinson against Kid Galivan, Jake L, Randy T, Henry A etc etc... We look at his fights against Gene F, Carmen B, Joey M etc etc. Losses define a man just as much as wins. One day it seems you'll understand this concept at apply it to your beleoved Sentry

And in the end comic book characters are still not football players, so these examples were totally unneccessary.
Comic book characters may have their up's and downs, but that's doesn't apply always.

It's a fact that Silver Surfer said that he considers himself and Doctor Doom as equals and it's a fact that Silver Surfer lost most of his encounters with Doctor Doom.
At the same time, it's a fact that Doctor Doom was never able to deal with the Sentry and that he lost every single of of their encounters.

It's a fact that Sentry was multiple times near the sun and in the sun, which you could consider as his higher showings for his durability / heat resistance, which clearly shows you that a scene, where he gets overloaded by the fire of Hammond - is clear writing introduced stupidity, basically a lazy way to find a plot device to get rid of the Sentry.

It's a fact that Sentry speedblitzed so many characters who were not able to deal with his speed, yet it happens once, that he faces WW Hulk and gladly takes every single one of his punches for the sake of the plot. For the sake of Hulk's victory in the end, since it's basically his own comic book.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
2. On KMC and something it seems you "somehow" looked over.. they fight IN CHARACTER. How a character fights is defined by their fights.. ALL of their fights. Just because you don't like how they fight and think they could've done this or that changes nothing. What is CANON to this forum is how they did fight in ALL their fights. Just because I feel Roberto Duran should've roughed up Tommy Hearns and pressured him like he did SRL in his fight with Hearns.. Doesn't mean Hearns didn't beat him by KO and I still give the win to Duran based on how he should've fought in some made up fantasy in my head. That is exactly what I see you doing over and over again... Well he should've fought this way against x, y, and z and since he didn't, it doesn't count. Sorry but it does and that is how we define a character.

Well, what do you know about all of Sentry's fights? There were fights, where he was suffering because of his agoraphobia and therefore had a lower power level, there were fights, when he was clear minded and there were fights, where the Void took over.
In basically every single fight he was doing just fine, or had massivly the upper hand in these fights. I can't remember even one fight, where Sentry was doing badly, besides the one, where he was facing Anti-Man, who overpowered him physically.

Everything else ... Sentry always got it.
Other things were where he got BFR'd by the most pathetic plot devices and that does not define the characters power level.
Where Hammond overloads him with fire, or where a Skrull transforms into the Void and he flies away, where some children get rid of him with a magic spell, even though Dr. Strange was not able to restrain him with magic and so on, and so on. There are so many moments where the writers had to find a way to get rid of the Sentry for the sake of the plot. So that he wouldn't solo everyone on the battlefield. During the entire Civil War Sentry was not even there. He himself said that he could easily end the entire Civil War and erase it from the history books. He had the strenght, speed and the mental powers to do so, yet he was not there.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
3. You're forgetting that sometimes characters make other characters fight THEIR fight. It's not one that suits them the best, but we see this is real life and comic books are no different. This can and does happen ALL the time. Credit is then given to the person who makes that happen, we don't go, nuh uh it doesn't count cause he didn't fight the fight i wanted him to. No, it doesn't work that way. Other factors like insecurity, ego, compassion come into play and they don't fight how they should (again just like real life), yet those are still perfectly valid showings. Why, because that is who they are and what they are made of. Sometimes it flares up, sometimes it doesn't. Doesn't mean we can discount them as valid showings. If we looked at every comic book character like you are viewing sentry and threw out all we didn't like... We wouldn't have half as much canon material as we do have and there would be no low showings. Sorry doesn't work that way on this forum.

I didn't understand any of that. Do you actually understand what you're saying there? I basically don't.

If I would have a fight in real life, then I would go fully out. If I know that my advantage would be an overwhelming physique, then I would try to throw my entire body mass into the fight and overwhelm the smaller opponent. If I know that I'm faster then the opponent, I would keep moving, try to hit him and jump out of range again. If I know, that I'm clearly stronger, I would try to restrain him.
I know, that I have the range advantage, because I can shoot lasers out of my eyes, then I would keep the distance and continue attacking him with eye blasts.

The same applies for comic books. Simply because Sentry doesn't use his versatility, it doesn't mean that he does not have it.
That applies for basically every single characters in the comic books nowdays. When did you see Thor using the full extent of Mjolnir the last time? I can't even remember something like that, since he is mostly trying to brawl it out.
The same applies for Iron Man, who has so much under his dispossal, yet he concentrates on flying around, punching and shooting simple beams from time to time.

Forum battles are not comic book fights.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Now that we have that part out of the way and we AREN'T discounting the fights and showings you want us to... lets get to the fight at hand. You claim Sentry has all the tools to get the job done and holds the overall edge in the most categories... Well lets see shall we...

Sentry has an insane power set. Judging by that he would be able to save the entire world over and over again, without even trying it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. Strength - How on God's Green Earth can you ever say Sentry is stronger is beyond me. Please list for me the strength feats that put sentry (in your eyes) above Thanos in strength. I've seen NOTHING from Sentry in all his showings that lead me to believe he is stronger. In fact, I view it the opposite way. You see, Thanos upon meeting guys with MORE AND BETTER strength feats than Sentry hasn't been overpowered with strength. I'm talking about Hulk, Thor, Herc, Thing, Drax etc etc. Why would that be? How is it that somebody that relies on their strength to almost always save the day and their THING IS STRENGTH gets overpowered and laughed at by Thanos? How could this be? Well, maybe it's a testiment to the strength of Thanos. So, if Thanos hasn't been overpowered by people with greater strength feats (by a lot) than Sentry, how on earth is sentry going to do so and what are you basing him being stronger on?

Thanos was mainly facing these characters in the old days and since they had their power upgrades.
Take the Hulk as an example. When he had the Infinity Gauntlet, he was facing Professor Hulk, one of the weakest Hulk incarnations and that weak Hulk incarnation was actually putting Thanos down, punching him into a wall and so on.
A stable Sentry didn't even flinch when Savage Hulk throw a train at him and Savage Hulk is stronger then Professor Hulk.
Additionally to that Sentry also faced WW Hulk, one of the most powerful Hulk versions and Sentry was depowered during that instance. I explained it more then once, yet even in that fight Sentry had the clear advantage, since he was basically gladly taking Hulk's punches. He was talking during that and when he was done with the talking, he started beating the crap out of the Hulk, who was not able to defend himself. Then it started over again. Hulk punched him, Sentry continued talking, supporting Hulk with words, until he was done again and starting beating the crap out of the Hulk again.

The Thing? Even the Thing managed to make Thanos flinch and the Thing is a 100 tonner at max.
Thor and Thing were punching Thanos around and he was thankful, when they punched him away and gave him the needed distance to attack them with his Death Ray Vision.
When the Thing tried to punch the Sentry, he didn't even flinch one bit. He punched away the Thing easily and later on punched him out of the Baxter building. There was also a different instance, where Thing was mad at the Wrecker, was threating to kill him and Sentry easily overpowered Thing.

Thor? Sentry was restraining Thor, who was not able to defend himself. If Osborn didn't interfere, Sentry would maybe even torn Thor apart, just the way he did it to Ares, who also has a good amount of durability, judging by his fights with Hercules and other gods, yet he was ripped apart by Sentry. And Ares is a skilled 75 tonner, who already took on 100 tonners like A-Bomb and so on, yet he was basically chanceless, when he was facing Sentry.

Sentry also easily overpowered Namor and Iron Man who are 100 tonners as well, and if I remember correctly, then Namor was too facing Thanos.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
2. Mental Powers - Again where on earth are you getting this idea that Sentry is better in this area. You cite xavier and emma.. big whoop.. they could get into Sentry's mind... they couldn't even get in Thanos when they tried. So that feat got beat. To go further, 3 of the strongest Telepaths in Marvel couldn't even mind rape him when he was weakened. Again, that beats the feat you listed. Thanos beat Moondragon with the Mindgem (who beat Xavier and Emma) and didn't even really have to try. Some could argue Thanos did better at mind raping Galactus than even Odin did. Point is, Sentry has no chance to beat Thanos this way, in fact, it's Thanos who holds the edge in this category.

Just to make it clear. Emma and Xavier were not able to enter Sentry's mind. They had to combine their efforts to even enter the White Room which Emma once created in Sentry's mind under his permission.
If they would have been able to utilize telepathy as a way to defeat him, then they would have done it, when the Dark Avengers were attacking the X-Men, yet they were calling Sentry God and searched for a different way to get rid of him. They never did anything special to him, but granted Robert the ability to surpass Void's control.
Inside Sentry's mind Void attacked Emma and forced her to stay for a whole while in their crystal form to avoid a complete take over by the Void.

Additionally to that I never said that Sentry would mind-rape Thanos. I just said that Thanos wouldn't have an easy game with mind-raping on the Sentry, who is a damn powerful telepath, who was able to mind-wipe the minds of billions and billions and billions of beings on the Earth, multiple times, including powerful telepaths like Xavier and people with a great resistance like Doctor Doom.

Besides that, the point is still that Thanos would need time to try to mess up with Sentry's mind and that's the time he would not have, since he is simply way too slow for something like that.
Sentry speedblitzes characters without super speed and rips their heads off > Morgana, Attuma ...

Not saying that he would rip off Thanos' head, but even if he would punch Thanos 5 times in the same time, it would leave some serious impact.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
3. Blasting Power - Yet another area Thanos holds a clear edge. Lets go over some feats and see how and why you think Sentry can compete with Thanos. Thanos (in his weakest form) One shot killed a high herald in Warlock WITH the Soul Gem. Thanos has also one shot killed Phyla and Drax to name two more. What HH has sentry one shot killed please. Further evidence..... Thanos either matched or came close to matching the blast power of the In Betweener 9somebody far above Sentry or Thanos in overall power) to release him. Thanos one shot a Quasar construct that was holding back Thor, Hulk, Drax and a host of othe heroes who were trying to break it. Thanos one shot it. Thanos one shot punisher robots who gave Thor and the fantastic four long hard fights. A godblast to the back of a dying starving Galactus barely moved him. Thanos blasted a well fed galactus hundreds of feet out of his ship. So which blasting power showings of Sentry tops these please?

All of that is nice, yet in the end Thanos mostly had to deal with slow opponents. At first he would actually have to tag the Sentry. Don't judge the fight by comic book standards, since if we judge by that they probably wouldn't use energy based attacks at all, since that's the way they're writing comic books nowdays.

Thanos lacks the reaction speed and the attacking speed to tag someone like the Sentry, who additionally mainly attacks with AOE attacks. If he releases his energy, the planet is already destroyed before Thanos can even raise his hands to attack. It's that simple, since Thanos is simply not that fast, while Sentry is and Sentry also has the feats to back up energy projection, which is far, far, far above planetary destruction.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
4. h2h combat... Thanos trained somebody who is one of the greatest MA in the known universe. He took on one of the most dangerous mercenary armies and beat them by using hand to hand only. Mar-vell being renowed for his skills... got punched from Saturn to the moon in one shot. Gaynamede who just got done blitzing surfer was dealt with easily by Thanos. Champion.. a renowed fighter was made to look like a fool against Thanos in their fight.

Yet again sooo many fast characters ... Oh wait, not really.
No one doubts that Thanos is a better "martial artist" then the Sentry, but the same applies for Superman and Batman. While Batman knows about martial arts, he would still not be able to tag Superman because of the insane speed difference.

The speed importance was perfectly shown during one of Thanos' encounters with Captain Marvel, where he failed to tag Marvel, until Marvel flew too slow and Thanos tagged and overpowered him.
Sentry is faster then Captain Marvel and he would have to make the mistake and fly too low and too slow to allow Thanos to tag him. And even if he then would, what difference would it make? Thanos does not have the strenght to finish of the Sentry with mere punches, yet again Batman and Superman.

Besides that, Captain Marvel has a lower durability then Sentry, who went toe on toe with Genis-Vell, someone who is far more powerful then Captain Marvel and Sentry was doing just fine, he was able to handle planet busting attacks.
When Thanos punched Captain Marvel away, Marvel was still concious and I would even go as far to say that he was flying later on on his own, since he also said that he would fly to the ... uhm, Earth I think? So nothing states that it was Thanos who punched him from point A to point B, but that he simply BFR'd him at the beginning, which is in the end not really impressive.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
5. Striking power.. again Thanos. Show me sentry ever beating a peak herald to death in a matter of a few punches. Thaos did so to surfer. See the Mar-vell feat. All thanos needs is a few pimp slap to deal with people Sentry has long drawn out slugfest with. When you have somebody who deal with people with mere pimpslaps and mocks their strength and ability the whole time.. what does that tell us.. he is that far above them. These same people give Sentry long drawn out fights. See a difference here?

There is no difference, since that Silver Surfer instance was plain old bullshit PIS. It's not like something like that happened for the very first time in the comic books. I don't have to show you Sentry beating down a herald few seconds, I could show you Spider-Man beating down a herald in seconds.

Hi @ Spider-Man beats down Firelord.

Thanos killing Silver Surfer with punches is the most ridiculous thing that ever came across Thanos comics, since he got already beaten up by Drax, Thor and hell even Gamora, he got tossed around by characters who were far weaker then Silver Surfer.

I'm not even taking the Silver Surfer killing instance seriously.

But yeah, it's not like Sentry lacks such feats. Sentry overpowered Terrax, who is a herald in less then few seconds and broke his Cosmic Axe. He gave him the advice to leave the planet and Terrax was on his knees.
Sentry one-shotted Blue Marvel, who was not able to react to the speedblitz, when Sentry returned later on.
Sentry also physically overwhelmed Thor and was shedding his blood with mere punches.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
6. Speed - Ahhhh there is finally something Sentry is better at. Problem is, Thanos has such good reflexes Sentry speed will only get him pimp slapped away. For his reflex speed see Gaynamede, Surfer feats (where he blocked surfer's blasts after they were fired), see the Maker (pimp slapping away a point blank shot), See the Fallen One bull rush (who has we know was Trans light and his thing was a bullrush which one shot a planet and Thanos ship) See Thor on two different occasions tossing his hammer (after it was tossed) thanos was quick enough to raise his hand to stop the hammer. Those examples show, that while Thanos isnt the quickest in flight or speed.. he has very good reflexes that make speed pretty much null and void or at least accounted for.

As I already mentioned it before. Thanos has beed tagged in melee combat by far lesser foes, if they were attacking him at once. Thor and Thing, Professor Hulk and Drax, or even Captain Marvel alone, who is faster then the named characters and he had also the advantage of speed in that fight, until HE made the mistake. Without mistakes, he would have been able to continue beating the crap out of Thanos. I admit that it didn't bother Thanos all too much, but then again, Captain Marvel is not Sentry.

You're impressed by Thor tossing his hammer and Thanos reacting to it, yet it was also Thor, who managed only to tag Sentry once during their fight in the Siege.
Ares managed only to tag him once during their fight, Namor didn't even manage to tag him at all, Terrax didn't manage to tag him, Blue Marvel didn't manage to react to his speedblitz, Balder was not able to dodge his speedblitz, Loki was not able to dodge his attack, Carnage didn't manage to dodge him, Ultron didn't manage to avoid the takes later on, Iron Man was not able to outrace / dodge him ...

All of these characters are either as fast, or even faster then Thanos and not even one of them was able to handle the Sentry.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
7. Durability - I would call this one pretty close with a slight edge to Thanos. Both of them can reform from death or destruction. However, Thanos has shown a durability edge in taking punishment with less damage. It doesn't matter really since sentry can reform (as can thanos) but he does seem to take punishment better.

Sentry indeed does not have problems with taking much punishment. It is fairly easy to BFR the Sentry, since he often lets his guard down and doesn't stand to the incoming damage, yet he always instantly returns shortly after.

I give the durability edge to Thanos, but Sentry does not only have insane amounts of durability, he has also a nigh-invulnerability and if someone gets past all that, he still has his ridiculous regeneration and these three things combined surpass often the durability of his opponents.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
8. Stamina - Thanos has a clear advantage here. I've never once seen him tire in battle (which makes sense being an eternal with unliimited stamina) while Sentry has done just that.

I'm not sure if I can remember a moment where Sentry was exhausted.
If you have the WW Hulk fight in mind, then it's something I adressed so often. Sentry's power level was low during that fight, since he was in a weak mental condition. That happened for the sake of the plot. He was depowered for the sake of the plot, where he was not in control over his remaining powers and started destroying the city / busting out his energy and in the end he reverted back to Robert.

If he is at his peak, and in a forum fight he would be, then he would have a much, much greater amounts of energy under his dispossal.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
9. Mental Strength and will power- which could be the same as mental powers but in this instance... Sentry's lack of both these areas are crucial. Sentry is mental weak and unstable... that couldn't be further from the truth with Thanos. Sentry lacks will power and mental fortitude as shown in his death. This couldnt be further from the Truth with Thanos. Thanos was specifically choosen because of his will by the TOAA. "You were choosen because of your will Titan" So if you have somebody mental weaker and with less will power than other.. those factors could certainly play a role in the outcome of a fight. Hmmmm those could also be reaons and part of HIS CHARACTER which explains his canon defeats.

That's not quite the case.
Sentry is not mentally unstable the whole day. He has good days and he has bad days. If he has a bad day, then he is indeed weak. He struggles with himself, he is not able to leave the house, because of his agoraphobia, the fear of wide, open spaces, where he couldn't hide, if it came to a panic attack.

Something like that happened during WW Hulk and the Collective arc.
But as I already mentioned it, it's not like Sentry is always that weak minded. But if he is, the Void has a greater impact on him and starts taking over.

It's a 2 case scenario. Either you create a thread and say that Sentry does not have the Void. In that case you basically have a stable Sentry, who is so powerful that the Void can't take over and has to manifest himself as a separate entity and then he gets defeated by the Sentry, who is simply more powerful

In the other case, you give Sentry the control over the Void. That means that he is mentally unstable, struggeling with himself. If someone manages to harm him and start wearing him down, which also rarely happens, the Void takes over and then you have once again an opponent who attacks even more aggressivly. It's still someone who would be able to defeat Thanos by utilizing all of his abilities.

The third scenario would be to take an unstable Sentry and forbid him to tap into his Void powers. Then you would have something who is around mid herald level, who would clearly lose this fight, but that would be some insane lowballing and the proof that you already know that Sentry would win under better conditions.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
10. Tech - Thanos has a clear edge here and doesn't need any further discussion

Yeah.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
11. Intelligence and Cunning - Thanos has a clear and big edge here.. nothing further needs discussing.

Yeah.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, as you can see Sentry DOESN'T hold the edge in all these areas you claim he does. In fact, he is inferior to Thanos in virtually all areas of a comic book fight.

No.
I also never said that Sentry has the edge in every single area. From the very first beginning, I was saying that Thanos would find a way to defeat the Sentry if he had a good amount of prep-time and that he would lose in a random encounter. I was also saying that Thanos is smarter and has the stronger mind, also had he could have the slight durability advantage.

Yet these are the abilities which often don't matter much in random encounters in comic books, since it's mostly all about strenght and speed and Sentry stands above Thanos in these areas.
If they would brawl it out, Sentry would have the clear advantage since he is stronger then Thanos and massivly faster.

His strenght alone would be enough to actually harm Thanos. Even if it would take a while, he would speed up the process by using his speed and adding more impact to the attacks, which would cause more devastating damage. He would be able to hit Thanos few times, before Thanos could even react to it.
Sentry has the speed to do so and he has the reaction time to do so as portrayed more then once during his 10 years of existence.

Additionally to that he has the advantage when it comes to getting past force fields, basically something which granted Thanos often a fairly good advantage when he was facing few enemies, yet it wouldn't help him much in this fight, since it also didn't really help Doctor Doom, or even Reed Richards. They are both the smartest men on the Earth, maybe even smarter then Thanos, when it comes to tech, yet they were both impressed by the fact that Sentry went through their fields without even bothering.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

1. Strength - How on God's Green Earth can you ever say Sentry is stronger is beyond me. Please list for me the strength feats that put sentry (in your eyes) above Thanos in strength. I've seen NOTHING from Sentry in all his showings that lead me to believe he is stronger. In fact, I view it the opposite way. You see, Thanos upon meeting guys with MORE AND BETTER strength feats than Sentry hasn't been overpowered with strength. I'm talking about Hulk, Thor, Herc, Thing, Drax etc etc. Why would that be? How is it that somebody that relies on their strength to almost always save the day and their THING IS STRENGTH gets overpowered and laughed at by Thanos? How could this be? Well, maybe it's a testiment to the strength of Thanos. So, if Thanos hasn't been overpowered by people with greater strength feats (by a lot) than Sentry, how on earth is sentry going to do so and what are you basing him being stronger on?

2. Mental Powers - Again where on earth are you getting this idea that Sentry is better in this area. You cite xavier and emma.. big whoop.. they could get into Sentry's mind... they couldn't even get in Thanos when they tried. So that feat got beat. To go further, 3 of the strongest Telepaths in Marvel couldn't even mind rape him when he was weakened. Again, that beats the feat you listed. Thanos beat Moondragon with the Mindgem (who beat Xavier and Emma) and didn't even really have to try. Some could argue Thanos did better at mind raping Galactus than even Odin did. Point is, Sentry has no chance to beat Thanos this way, in fact, it's Thanos who holds the edge in this category.

3. Blasting Power - Yet another area Thanos holds a clear edge. Lets go over some feats and see how and why you think Sentry can compete with Thanos. Thanos (in his weakest form) One shot killed a high herald in Warlock WITH the Soul Gem. Thanos has also one shot killed Phyla and Drax to name two more. What HH has sentry one shot killed please. Further evidence..... Thanos either matched or came close to matching the blast power of the In Betweener 9somebody far above Sentry or Thanos in overall power) to release him. Thanos one shot a Quasar construct that was holding back Thor, Hulk, Drax and a host of othe heroes who were trying to break it. Thanos one shot it. Thanos one shot punisher robots who gave Thor and the fantastic four long hard fights. A godblast to the back of a dying starving Galactus barely moved him. Thanos blasted a well fed galactus hundreds of feet out of his ship. So which blasting power showings of Sentry tops these please?

4. h2h combat... Thanos trained somebody who is one of the greatest MA in the known universe. He took on one of the most dangerous mercenary armies and beat them by using hand to hand only. Mar-vell being renowed for his skills... got punched from Saturn to the moon in one shot. Gaynamede who just got done blitzing surfer was dealt with easily by Thanos. Champion.. a renowed fighter was made to look like a fool against Thanos in their fight.

5. Striking power.. again Thanos. Show me sentry ever beating a peak herald to death in a matter of a few punches. Thaos did so to surfer. See the Mar-vell feat. All thanos needs is a few pimp slap to deal with people Sentry has long drawn out slugfest with. When you have somebody who deal with people with mere pimpslaps and mocks their strength and ability the whole time.. what does that tell us.. he is that far above them. These same people give Sentry long drawn out fights. See a difference here?

6. Speed - Ahhhh there is finally something Sentry is better at. Problem is, Thanos has such good reflexes Sentry speed will only get him pimp slapped away. For his reflex speed see Gaynamede, Surfer feats (where he blocked surfer's blasts after they were fired), see the Maker (pimp slapping away a point blank shot), See the Fallen One bull rush (who has we know was Trans light and his thing was a bullrush which one shot a planet and Thanos ship) See Thor on two different occasions tossing his hammer (after it was tossed) thanos was quick enough to raise his hand to stop the hammer. Those examples show, that while Thanos isnt the quickest in flight or speed.. he has very good reflexes that make speed pretty much null and void or at least accounted for.

In comics, Fallen One has never been proven to move at light speed instantaneously, not even Surfer can do this. He must spend time to accelerate to those speeds. Thus Thanos feat against him doesn't prove anything since Fallen One could have only reached bullet speed by the time Thanos stopped him. I defeated this argument many times yet you still bring it up.

7. Durability - I would call this one pretty close with a slight edge to Thanos. Both of them can reform from death or destruction. However, Thanos has shown a durability edge in taking punishment with less damage. It doesn't matter really since sentry can reform (as can thanos) but he does seem to take punishment better.

8. Stamina - Thanos has a clear advantage here. I've never once seen him tire in battle (which makes sense being an eternal with unliimited stamina) while Sentry has done just that.

9. Mental Strength and will power- which could be the same as mental powers but in this instance... Sentry's lack of both these areas are crucial. Sentry is mental weak and unstable... that couldn't be further from the truth with Thanos. Sentry lacks will power and mental fortitude as shown in his death. This couldnt be further from the Truth with Thanos. Thanos was specifically choosen because of his will by the TOAA. "You were choosen because of your will Titan" So if you have somebody mental weaker and with less will power than other.. those factors could certainly play a role in the outcome of a fight. Hmmmm those could also be reaons and part of HIS CHARACTER which explains his canon defeats.

10. Tech - Thanos has a clear edge here and doesn't need any further discussion

11. Intelligence and Cunning - Thanos has a clear and big edge here.. nothing further needs discussing.

So more Nuh Uh's that doesn't count because his mind wasn't all there, he didn't use this during the fight and all his versatility wasn't used, too much void.. not enough void, fought stupid blah blah blah. No amount of moving the goalposts changes what I said in my post, nor how the forum works. You throw around the PIS card with Sentry like a dealer at a casino, only, on this forum we don't give out that card nearly as much as you'd like. Sentry having mental issues isn't PIS that is as much HIM and IN CHARACTER as you can get. As stated, per forum rules, not doing this or that or not using all your abilities in a fight isn't cause to throw out a fight. I could look at each one of Thanos fights, as you could with any character, as say he didn't use this power he's displayed before.. EVERY SINGLE TIME you could do that, luckily for us, we don't throw out fights because of this fact like you'd like. Point being, all those fights you want to throw out AREN'T thrown out and define him as a character.

I am still waiting for the feats that put Sentry about Thanos in strength. I have yet to see one feat that shows this to be a fact like you're claiming. Terrax axe? Really that is the best you can come up with? Lord M... broke Surfer Board with casual ease (Surfer's board has more durability showings than Terrax axe), How did Thanos treat Lord M.. called him a flea and easily overpowered him and slammed him to the ground. The same Hulk you called weak has impressive strength showings himself... Pyramid.. mountain range just to name two. Plus as stated, we're dealing with a character that no matter the incarnation, usually always defeats the villian via his dynamic strength (that is his thing).. Yet, he was EASILY overpowered and had his strength mocked by Thanos. This was a hulk WITH HELP from a "100 tonner at best"who was easily overpowerd at the same time. Point is, Sentry has tossed away far more times than Thanos. Thanos, that i can recall, has NEVER been overpowered by heroes with lifting feats that could (if you view feats in such ways) make sentry look like a weak feeb. Yet, in all of thanos encounters with them, not once has he been overpowered and lost via strength. Yet, I'm suppose to believe Sentry can do what other heroes couldn't do with feats far greater than Sentry? You jest.

To make it clear Emma and Xavier were able to enter Sentry's mind (whether it was a little or a lot or a special little place or a big place.. I don't care) Those same character COULDN'T enter Thanos's mind. Moondragon (without the gem) pwned Xavier and Emma. Moondragon WITH the gem got beat by Thanos. Point is, Thanos hold the edge in this area and it really isn't close. Whether Thanos would win via this method is up for debate, but make no mistake he holds the edge.

Excuses and Red Herring aside... thanos owns sentry in blasting power.. Thanks for the round-about concession.

h2h combat.. I'm glad you agree Thanos holds the edge

More nuh uh's eh buddy? Sorry but Thanos beating surfer to death with ease in a matter of a few punches isn't PIS. If you'd like, I can have a mod rule on the matter so it's clear enough for you. I know you like to pull the PIS card often, but calling that PIS, is well even weaksauce for you. Again, another round about way of saying it doesn't count, but even if it does, Thanos is superior in striking power.. Good I agree.

Speed... ah the only catergory sentry holds an advantage in... Yet, as I've shown... Thanos deal with speed pretty well. You listed a whole punch of people that Sentry outsped that aren't even as fast as Thanos and I'm suppose to be impressed? You mention Thor, who doesn't move very fast in a h2h combat sense, and one of is fatest attacks is the speed at which he can throw his hammer (lgiht speed). Thanos, handled Thor's hammer throw with ease multiple times. Even waiting till after Thor released the hammer and raised his arm quick enough to stop it. Point is, I listed all the reflex feats Thanos has which clearly indicate he can deal with speed when needed. He isn't the quickest character but his reflexes are very good. Need I remind you... Thanos can also teleport and has use teleportation to dodge attacks. As you must know, energy blasts (and what they must consist of to be viewed and shown as they are) can be light speed. Thanos has waited till surfer has fired a point blank blast and was quick enough to teleport out of the way on two seperate occasions. As well as quick enough to raise his shields to block the blast. Point is, Sentry can't rush any faster than a surfer point blank blast, and we've seen in comics, Thanos can deal with this attack with ease.

All the rest listed.. you either conceded or did your tried and tested round about way of conceding the area. Point is, as I've shown, Thanos is superior to Sentry in virtual all areas of a comic book encounter. No amount of, if Sentry was writtten correctly or lets exclude all the showings I don't like and call them PIS.. changes that fact. Thanos has mroe tools to get the job done, and would do so against Sentry or Void. or any mixture of the two.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Seriously, KMC is full of idiots. No offense to the people who seem to know how to tie up their shoes, without needing the help of their mother.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So more Nuh Uh's that doesn't count because his mind wasn't all there, he didn't use this during the fight and all his versatility wasn't used, too much void.. not enough void, fought stupid blah blah blah. No amount of moving the goalposts changes what I said in my post, nor how the forum works. You throw around the PIS card with Sentry like a dealer at a casino, only, on this forum we don't give out that card nearly as much as you'd like. Sentry having mental issues isn't PIS that is as much HIM and IN CHARACTER as you can get. As stated, per forum rules, not doing this or that or not using all your abilities in a fight isn't cause to throw out a fight. I could look at each one of Thanos fights, as you could with any character, as say he didn't use this power he's displayed before.. EVERY SINGLE TIME you could do that, luckily for us, we don't throw out fights because of this fact like you'd like. Point being, all those fights you want to throw out AREN'T thrown out and define him as a character.

This part is full of bullshit, since you're there trying to downgrade the Sentry to the power levels where he was unstable.
He had better showings when he was stable and he ad as much good showings as bad showings.
You either want him to be unstable for this fight, or not. That's to be decided in the OP, which is not the case in this thread, and if that's not the case we use the characters at their prime.

Do you actually understand that?
We don't use the Sentry from the WW Hulk arc, where he was clearly portrayed as unstable, if he had showings, where he was clear minded and dished out far more devastating damage like in the figst with Photon, which happened after the World War Hulk fight.

It's that simple.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I am still waiting for the feats that put Sentry about Thanos in strength. I have yet to see one feat that shows this to be a fact like you're claiming. Terrax axe? Really that is the best you can come up with? Lord M... broke Surfer Board with casual ease (Surfer's board has more durability showings than Terrax axe), How did Thanos treat Lord M.. called him a flea and easily overpowered him and slammed him to the ground.

Another bullshit post. How about you read my reponses???

You said that Sentry does not have feats where he faces easily overpowers heralds and I gave you one, where he easily overpowered Terrax.
You're impressed by the PIC fact that Thanos beat Silver Surfer to death and what would you consider the instance where Spider-Man beat down Firelord the same way like Thanos did it to Silver Surfer?

Additionally to that Lord Mar-Vell destroying Silver Surfer's board ... Bullshit, bullshit and even more bullshit, since Terrax also managed to slice through Silver Surfer's board.
And we know what Sentry did to Terrax and his axe physically.

Additionally to that Lord Mar-Vell basically no real strenght feats, besides tossing around Nova, which is not hard at all, since Nova lacks the insane strenght of other top tier characters.
Then Lord Mar-Vell got physically overwhelmed by Thanos, but when it came to other abilities Thanos was strapped to a desk in the end. Way to go, Thanos.

Every Marvel version was always mostly about energy based power and not sheer strenght and nothing has shown us that Lord Mar-Vell was vastly better in the strenght area.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The same Hulk you called weak has impressive strength showings himself... Pyramid.. mountain range just to name two. Plus as stated, we're dealing with a character that no matter the incarnation, usually always defeats the villian via his dynamic strength (that is his thing).. Yet, he was EASILY overpowered and had his strength mocked by Thanos. This was a hulk WITH HELP from a "100 tonner at best"who was easily overpowerd at the same time.

Professor Hulk is not even as strong as the Savage Hulk and he managed to take down Thanos. Of course not to defeat him, but if Professor Hulk is able to actually make your Thanos flinch, then it speaks books for Thanos ability to take physical beating.
Sentry wasn't even flinching a bit when Savage Hulk attacked him and he took on one of the most powerful Hulk versions, while he was officially being in a weak state, while something like that officially downgrades his power level.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point is, Sentry has tossed away far more times than Thanos. Thanos, that i can recall, has NEVER been overpowered by heroes with lifting feats that could (if you view feats in such ways) make sentry look like a weak feeb. Yet, in all of thanos encounters with them, not once has he been overpowered and lost via strength. Yet, I'm suppose to believe Sentry can do what other heroes couldn't do with feats far greater than Sentry? You jest.

Sentry has been BFR'd few times by people who were stronger then the people Thanos was facing. Thanos was mainly facing people who were either weak 100 tonners, or were attacking him with energy based attacks, where he often was able to shield against them.

Besides Anti-Man there was no one who ever had the strenght / speed advantage, when it came to a brawl with the Sentry.
Everyone got overwhelmed during the fight. Can't say the same for Thanos, who has been tossed around more then once and had to rely on his Death Ray to get rid of the opponents.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
To make it clear Emma and Xavier were able to enter Sentry's mind (whether it was a little or a lot or a special little place or a big place.. I don't care) Those same character COULDN'T enter Thanos's mind. Moondragon (without the gem) pwned Xavier and Emma. Moondragon WITH the gem got beat by Thanos. Point is, Thanos hold the edge in this area and it really isn't close. Whether Thanos would win via this method is up for debate, but make no mistake he holds the edge.

Even more bullshit.
At first, neither Emma nor Xavier were able to actually do something to the Sentry, so they had to search for a different way. They had the luck that there was the White Room, where they gained access to Robert, otherwise Sentry would have defeated the entire X-Men cast, starting with Namor who got overwhelmed by Sentry.

I also never said that Thanos would not be able to mess with Sentry's mind in the long run, but at first he won't have the time to do so, because he is simply too slow and Sentry could already be attacking him without mercy and don't even try to pretend that Sentry's damage output wouldn't bother Thanos.

Additionally to that even if Thanos would manage to penetrate Sentry's mind, he would have to face the Void and then good luck with that, Thanos. Thanos is also not defeating the Void.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Excuses and Red Herring aside... thanos owns sentry in blasting power.. Thanks for the round-about concession.

Blasts can be dodged. AOE attacks can't be dodged. Thanos would eat every single of them, while Sentry has either the potential to absorb them, since he can store limitless amounts of energy and radiation, or he could dodge them.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
h2h combat.. I'm glad you agree Thanos holds the edge

No one doubts that. But I see it as a non factor in this one, since he is simply too slow to compete.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Sorry but Thanos beating surfer to death with ease in a matter of a few punches isn't PIS. If you'd like, I can have a mod rule on the matter so it's clear enough for you. I know you like to pull the PIS card often, but calling that PIS, is well even weaksauce for you. Again, another round about way of saying it doesn't count, but even if it does, Thanos is superior in striking power.. Good I agree.

LoL, no. You don't know anything.
I call instances like the one where Hammond overloads the Sentry with fire PIS and that is a buttload of crap, since Sentry was in the sun multiple times. A little bit fire would never bother him. That's a plot device and that is PIS, since your Thanos-buddy Quanchi used that over and over and over again as a valid bad showing for the Sentry and tried to use that to make the "power level of the character" clear, which is pathetic.
If you ride that train, that you're his equal.

And no, Thanos is not his superior in striking power. His best strenght feats would be in punching Captain Marvel into the orbit and even there Captain Marvel was doing just fine, and additionally to that strenght and durability were never few of Marvel's best attributes.

Sentry has been hit by stronger opponents and he has shedded the blood of stronger opponents.
In a well written fight, where he would use his speed, he would easily overwhelm most of his opponents and it's PIS when he is not using his speed, but the same applies for the fights there Silver Surfer is not using his speed to gain the clear upper hand against Thor.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Speed... ah the only catergory sentry holds an advantage in... Yet, as I've shown... Thanos deal with speed pretty well. You listed a whole punch of people that Sentry outsped that aren't even as fast as Thanos and I'm suppose to be impressed? You mention Thor, who doesn't move very fast in a h2h combat sense, and one of is fatest attacks is the speed at which he can throw his hammer (lgiht speed). Thanos, handled Thor's hammer throw with ease multiple times. Even waiting till after Thor released the hammer and raised his arm quick enough to stop it. Point is, I listed all the reflex feats Thanos has which clearly indicate he can deal with speed when needed. He isn't the quickest character but his reflexes are very good.

And there we go again.

Thanos is not a lot faster then most of these characters, while the Sentry is. You're talking about Thanos' encounter with Thor, where he blocked Mjolnir like that's an over the top feat.

1. Other characters have already been able to dodge Thor's Mjolnir throws. Doesn't mean that Thanos is godlike because of that.

2. Sentry is a lot faster then Thor. Sentry is so fast that Thor basically never had the chance to throw his hammer in the first place, since he got overwhelmed that fast. Thor only managed to tag him once and even that was only with a Mjolnir smack at short distance.
The same applies for Ares, who is in the end probably faster then Thanos, yet he only managed to tag Sentry once who instantly started reforming back again and overwhelmed Ares entirely.

Thanos is so slow, that that alone could doom the outcome of the battle.
Additionally to you was also talking about being in character and so on. You're trying to make it look like Sentry is constantly unstable / in character, which is not true, since he had good showings, where he was stable.
In character means that the Sentry wouldn't have problems with killing Thanos, since he knows that he would save many lives, if he goes fully out and tries to finish Thanos off, while many other heroes who faced Thanos often hesistated and were not fighting at their full potential.

Thanos is overrated.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Need I remind you... Thanos can also teleport and has use teleportation to dodge attacks. As you must know, energy blasts (and what they must consist of to be viewed and shown as they are) can be light speed. Thanos has waited till surfer has fired a point blank blast and was quick enough to teleport out of the way on two seperate occasions. As well as quick enough to raise his shields to block the blast. Point is, Sentry can't rush any faster than a surfer point blank blast, and we've seen in comics, Thanos can deal with this attack with ease.

Thanos can teleport, but it's a tech device for him, while Sentry teleports at will thanks to his own power set and everything Sentry does, he does it faster, so ask yourself who has the teleportation advantage in this one.
Additionally to that Thanos has teleported away to avoid a planet busting attack by Champion, while Sentry took attacks from Photon which were far above planetary busting levels.

And then also wow, one showing, against all the showings where Thanos was eating the fists of his opponents and where he was glad, when they punched him away, from where he could use his Death Ray.
Additionally also other showings, where his enemies were outspeeding him and he had to rely on their mistakes to tag them.

Yafooo, way to go Thanos.
Additionally to that he could have his shields up all the way he wants, it would still not change the fact that Sentry often went through shields, without bothering all too much and I clearly see Doom's shields sometimes having better defenses then Thanos' tech, since it was Doom who took on a Infinity Gauntlet blast and took being thrown away by Galactus, while Thanos shields have been cracked by Thor and it's also not like a regular Thor never managed to beat down Thanos.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
All the rest listed.. you either conceded or did your tried and tested round about way of conceding the area. Point is, as I've shown, Thanos is superior to Sentry in virtual all areas of a comic book encounter. No amount of, if Sentry was writtten correctly or lets exclude all the showings I don't like and call them PIS.. changes that fact. Thanos has mroe tools to get the job done, and would do so against Sentry or Void. or any mixture of the two.

Thanos still loses and you're adressing only crap, lowballing the feats of others and ignoring the damn fact that Thanos was facing a bunch of heroes in the past who got many upgrades, while Sentry was overpowering many of these heroes, stronger versions of them and also stronger heroes overall.

Sentry > Thanos, it's that simply. I will make it simple for you.

Strenght? Sentry
Sentry basically duplicated / triplicated every single of Thanos' strenght feats and Thanos has by far not many strenght feats / he doesn't have strenght feats at all, since you for example are impressed by him beating down Lord Mar-Vell who not only doesn't have any strenght feats, but he also doesn't have much feats at all.

The Silver Surfer instance is WIS / PIS, since it was Spider-Man who also managed to easily beat down someone like Firelord. Thanos has never shown something else besides that.

Speed? Sentry
He regularly speedblitzed enemies, who were as fast or even faster then Thanos. Additionally to that he can move at speeds where Thanos never, ever did something what could tell us that he also can operate at such speeds.

Teleportation? Sentry
Already adressed this one above.

Regeneration? Sentry
Reformed back multiple times in a matter of seconds, even back from a skeleton.

Energy projection? Sentry
Destroying multiple planets while holding back > Everything Thanos ever did.[/b]

Matter Manipulation? Sentry
[i]He defeated the post retcon Molecule Man who was still miles above Thanos when it came to matter manipulation. He also disolved a god into oblivion.

Durability / Invulnerability? Draw
Sentry often lost blood as the first one in the battle, but he had still some insane durability and nigh-invulnerability. I basically don't even see Thanos hurting him, judging by Thanos feats, besides the ridiculous Silver Surfer instance.
Additionally to that there is the regeneration, even if Thanos would be able to harm him, but at first he would have to tag him, which he can't since he is simply way too slow.

Telepathy / Mind overall? Thanos
Thanos has a stronger mind / will and he should be able to overcome a mind-rape / -wipe by the Sentry, even though it wouldn't be that easy for him, since Sentry already overwhelmed Savage Hulk multiple times, who is supposed to be immune to telepathy.

Additionally to that there is the empathy of the Void and the question if Thanos could really resist that, if the Void would show him all the bad moments around Death and Thanos.

Prep-Advantage? Thanos of course
But he does not have prep in this one.

Defense? Sentry
Thanos shields aren't going to protect him that much from the Sentry, who has been able to surpass Doom's shields multiple times, which took on the Silver Surfer just fine. Sentry has simply more power behind his attacks and maybe even the finesse, since he also went through Reed's shields while leaving them in tact.

So Thanos main defense is gone and he would have to take most of Sentry's attacks, who is too strong, too fast and has too much energy projection for Thanos to deal with.

Sentry wins.

Hmmm from what i have seen in the last 10 pages Thanos.....still wins

Originally posted by iceman24567
Hmmm from what i have seen in the last 10 pages Thanos.....still wins

From what I saw of your posts ..... you are not getting smarter.

Originally posted by Enzeru
From what I saw of your posts ..... you are not getting smarter.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nice insult from a idiot that argued with ****ing QUAN for 5 pages if anybody is stupid its you dumbass 😬

Touché, but it would be fair to say that I didn't know that guy before. Now I do and I'm insulting him on a regular basis, because of his stupidity.

And in the end it still applies: Sentry > Void > Thanos.

I believe Sentry at his best owns Thanos.

I'm not sure if it's your lack of reading comprehension or basic logic at fault with your reasoning. Maybe it's a mixture of the two. Sentry's mind not being there IS part of his character. Those showings are what make up how we view them FIGHTING IN CHARACTER. Ya know, that thing we have in our forum rules. Let me give you a real world example... Roberto Duran... one of the greatest boxers that ever lived. Won multiple weight division titles. Beat SRL, Cuevas, Moore, Barkley, Buchanon, DeJesus etc etc (Some all time greats and excellent fighters) That was a motivated Duran who trained well and had his mind right for the fight. There was another side of Duran that appeared in some of his fights and in training before his fights. His No Mas to SRL, His loss to Benitez, his loss to Hearns and his first loss to DeJesus... In each of his losses he either didn't fight the fight he should've because of machismo or bad strategy (OR the guy made him fight his fight), he had a bad habbit of not being motivated to fight and often times would balloon up after fights and have to lose 70 pounds quickly which drained him, thought he was unbeatable and didn't adapt when he needed to. Point is, all these examples are things boxing experts and historians INCLUDE in their evaluations of him as a fighter and where he ranks in an all time sense. Nobody in doing such an evaluation goes.. forget about the qualities IN HIM that made him lose some of the fights he did. I will only look at the fights he performed well in. No, doesn't work that way in any format or genre. When negative qualities (like in Sentry and Duran) reveal themselves over and over again and cause them to lose fights.. they have to, and are taken into account. Why, because they very well could rear there ugly head at any point in time. They are just as much a part of sentry and duran as the good qualities and fights. Again, no amount of Nuh uh's I dont' like it, PIS cards can change the CANON showings of sentry. Showings, in which he has far more low showings than Thanos. Sorry but just how the cookie crumbles.

Nova is weak now? Sorry he's not. Mar-vell tossing him around like a weak feeb is important because Thanos tossed him around like a weak feeb in return. You may not like it, but it illustrates a clear strength superiority that Thanos has over virtually any herald. Terrax has even fewer strength showings than Nova, yet I'm suppose to be impressed with Sentry beating one of the biggest herald jobbers in history, and yet not impressed by Thanos treating Mar-vell like a flea? I get it, you're trying to be funny right? I'm still waiting to see someone of note that Sentry overpowered that puts him above thanos. I know you don't have anybody, but it amuses me to see you try.

Can I please see the narration that Sentry was depowered against WWH/Savage hulk? I keep seeing you say that, I want to see the narration that states it. I remember clear narration that said Sentry was off a bit, but once he realized he had to step up to face WWH and he was the only hope... He went there just fine and at full power. If you have narration that states otherwise.. post it. If not, gtfo with that bs. Regardless, the point is.. Hulk is stronger than Sentry, and Thanos easily overpowered him and mocked his strength. Sentry NEVER did any such thing to Hulk. He never overpowered him WITH STRENGTH only. Taking some punches and dealing some punches back isn't the same, not even close, to what Thanos did. Thanos overpowered and MOCKED the strength of TWO PEOPLE KNOW FOR THEIR STRENGTH. "You call yourselves strong, I'm strength personified" Actions and narration that Marvel made clear who was the strongest in that field. This is something hasn't nor can match.

People have BFR'd Sentry because he can be tossed away like a flea.. Anti-Man punked Sentry with strength. NOBODY.. I repeat... NOBODY has overpowered Thanos in such ways. In his entire history of facing people who strength feats that sh1t all over Sentry.. Thor, Herc, Hulk, Drax etc etc.. not one of them has overpowered thanos, and in fact, it has been Thanos who has overpowered them with strength.

So, thanos is stronger mentally... I agree. Thanks

He would eat eery single one of them... WTF lol. You mean he could teleport out of the way of something much slower than a point blank STRAIGHT blast from Surfer or Maker but not do so against a slower AOE attack? I'm convinced you're trying to be funny now. BTW, for your reference the blast that Sentry CAN'T and never has matched... Killing a High Herald in Warlock WITH the Soul Gem was such an attack.. a AOE one.

What stronger opponents has Sentry faced again? Please list them for me

you can't even list one striking feat that is above the ones I mentioned for Thanos, yet somehow, sentry holds the strikign power edge..LULZ

I'm now convinced you don't know about Thanos as a character. You do realize he can and HAS teleported just fine without tech right? Ya know, being an eternal and all, is kinda a perk that comes with it. Thanos does use Tech to teleport so he doesn't need to expend energy and his mind to do so. Make no mistake though, he has and can teleport under his own power. Sentry can teleport better WTF are you basing this on.. LULZ... Please cite for me the reasons Sentry can teleport better than Thanos again. You keep missing the key point I was making... Sentry ISN'T blitzing Thanos. Thanos has dealt with blitzs before with ease.. See Fallen One and Gay as examples. He has teleported out of the way of blasts that move faster than Sentry.. See Surfer as examples. He's raised his shields or deflected blasts faster than sentry could move to attack thanos just fine.. See surfer and Maker as examples.

Did you think I missed the areas you left off which Thanos is clearly superior? I didn't. Let's make a true list.

1. Strength - Thanos
2. Speed - Sentry
3. Teleportation - Draw
4. Regeneration - Draw (Sentry has never come back faster than Thanos... See his latest regeneration in the T.I.)
5. Energy Projection - Thanos and not even close. Let me know when Sentry can one shot kill a high herald with the Soul gem. One shot kill Drax and Phyla. Break a construct that Thor, Hulk, Drax and a host of othe heroes were pounding on but could do nothing.. Thanos one shot it. Let me know when Sentry can match or come close to matching the blast power of an Abstract.
6. Matter Manipulation - Draw - I would concede that Sentry has one higher end showing that is better than anything Thanos has done. However, that one high end showing doesn't make up for his lack of other showings and Thanos matter manipulation a skrull who as you might know has total control of his molecular structure.
7. Durability - Thanos. First you concede Thanos is better in this area and now you call it a draw.. Nope it's not.
8. Telepathy - Thanos
9. Prep - Thanos
10. Tech - Thanos
11. H2h combat - Thanos
12. Stamina - Thanos
13. Intelligene and cunning - Thanos
14. Striking power - Thanos and easily.
15. Defense - Thanos easily. This is the kicker though... You listed a defense Sentry doesn't have but Thanos does... and go but Sentry could bypass this and get throw it. I disagree, but even so, that has NOTHING TO DO WITH SENTRY'S DEFENSIVE CAPABILITIES.. Ya know, the area we are discussing. Thanos easily here.

To expand on 15... You do realize other much weaker than Sentry or Thanos have penetrated Doom's shields right? Doom's shields have low feats and they have high feats. Don't see there and list just the high feats while fogetting the low ones. Doom, like Thanos, can bring his big boy shields to a fight or his so so shields. That said, even Doom's higher end shields aren't better than Thanos. Need I remind you, Thanos shields made a WELL FED Galactus comment (NEVER have I ever had to work so hard to pierce a mere forcefield) and it took so much energy to pierce he had to feed again. That showings blows Doom's out of the water against the same Galactus since the narration stated which was stronger. Thanos brought his big boy shields against a being stated to be multiple times more powerful than Galactus. His shields took a concentrated blasts from Omega for an extended period of time without breaking. Against Champion with the PG.. his shields took multiple punches from a being stronger than the Sentry WITH the PG. Point is, if Thanos brings his big boy shields... Sentry has very little hope of getting throw him in any kinda of timely matter if at all.

In conclusion, when we break down the categories... it's Thanos 11.. Sentry 2 (I'll even give him matter manipulation) and 3 draws. Damn Thanos wins even easier than I orginally thought.