Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor tanked the hit and Thor got in the next attack not the Sentry. Kinda destroys your speedblitz argument not that anyone ever took it seriously in the first place. Ares also stuck an axe into his side and attacked him more than once. The difference is Ares and balder are jokes compared to elite top tiers let alone Thanos. Be serious.
1. Never said that Sentry speedblitzed Thor into oblivion. I simply said that Sentry speedblitzed Thor in the midair, to take him far away from Osborn and Thor was not able to react to that.
2. Ares stuck the axe into Sentry's body, while Sentry grabbed him, instantly shed Ares' blood and started pushing him away. That was Ares' only action. He tried to fight back, but he got slaughthered, without being able to react to Sentry's attacks. Did you actually see the look on Thor's face while Voidsentry was squeezing the crap out of him? He had the exact same look on the face like Ares before Sentry ripped him apart. Thor was lucky that Osborn ordered Voidsentry to destroy Asgard and while Voidsentry was bullrushing through Asgard and taking the entire city down, Thor only managed to say: "No..." and raise his hammer-wielding arm, to do something against it, yet it was already waaaaaay too late.
Thanos is not faster then these characters and would have some serious problems with Sentry's speed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Taking out Ares and Loki is a far cry from the Silver Surfer let alone Thanos. You need to prove the Void can take out someone above top tier with relative ease because he's failed to do so against Captain America.
Captain America? What? What?
I'm pretty sure that Loki would offer Thanos a run for his money. He would not win, but he wouldn't go down as fast as he did in his "fight" with the Void. The same applies for other characters, like Doctor Doom who was doing just fine against Silver Surfer and won most of their encounters, while Silver Surfer even stated, that they're equals, yet Doom was ALWAYS chanceless when it came to his fights with the Sentry.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Iron Man took him on and defeated him by himself before as well as the Sentry. I mean do you expect anyone to ignore the Iron Man, Human Torch, Hercules, and Siege showings just because you claim he was weakened and begin making more excuses than The Ramsey parents.
Iron Man got tossed around and was pretty much chanceless, the way it's supposed to be, while I remember Iron Man doing better against Silver Surfer, then he did against Sentry, LOL!
Iron Man exploited a way to get rid of the Sentry and it wasn't even Sentry's fault, but Reed Richards' since his firewalls of CLOC were bad, Tony hacked them and let CLOC tell Sentry about all the big ass catastrophes which were happening on the planet.
Sentry heard that millions of people were dying and he didn't know who to help at first.
That's not a weakness, it's the proof that Sentry is a great character who doesn't want to see himself as God who has to decide who lives and who dies and that he didn't know how to handle the situation, where he would have saved one million people, while one million other people would have died.
The Human Torch instance was a plot-device to remove the Sentry from the battlefield, so that the other tiny heroes could toy around. Judging by Sentry's power set and his power level he would have been able to solo everyone on the battlefield.
He was never even trying to seriously take Hercules down. But yeah, he got outskilled and that's the way it should be, because Hercules has centuries of fighting experience, while Sentry does not. Hercules also outskills Thor, but it doesn't mean that he is OVERALL more powerful then Thor.
Siege was full of good showings for Sentry. Don't know where your point is.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I just gave two examples of characters he did have the skill, intelligence, and competence to put it into practice. Another this doesn't count moment. Nothing counts against the Sentry and Thanos' wins don't count. This is getting rather ridiculous on your part I expected a little more.
You didn't give me anything to work with. Everything you were doing from the very first beginning of this thread was lowballing Sentry because of the few bad showings he had, which are perfectly explainable by his mental issues, which he does not always have, yet you're trying to make it look that way.
Fact is that Thanos does not have the strenght and the speed feats to compete with the Sentry and strenght and speed are always important factors. Sentry has a higher energy output then Thanos. He has shown it during his fight with Photon. Sentry has also a lot of other gimmicks, which would come in handy and I adressed all of them more then once. It's just that you fail to accept them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry used his speed against Hercules and Thor it didn't matter. Herc continually outmaneuvered him. Thanos hit Marvel yes. Thanos also doesn't always fight to the best of his abilities with shields yet he still hit his opponent. It works both ways. 🙂 We've already seen the Sentry not ever speedblitz an opponent anyone near Thanos' level and someone far below it in Thor reacted and landed the next attack. 🙂
Sentry never used his speed against Hercules, since he clearly wanted to talk it out. Sentry was speaking entire sentences while he was flying at Hercules. That is not fast, since Sentry already traveled from the orbit to the Earth during one single moment.
Thanos hit Marvel yes, when Marvel made the mistake and allowed Thanos to tag him. Otherwise Thanos got punched and punched and punched by Marvel, not able to block / dodge.
He does not have to defeat Thanos during one speedblitz. He would not be able to do something like that, but that's also not the point of the speed advantage.
Sentry is fast enough, so that Thanos would not really be able to tag him. Sentry is strong enough to harm Thanos. Combine Sentry's speed and his strenght and you have a lot more impact, since for example - boxers are often training their speed, because the speed inflicts much of the damage during a fight.
More speed, more impact damage, more overall damage.
What holds Sentry off from circeling the globe and bullrushing Thanos with all the added force? Nothing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos would teleport and win a race as well. He's smarter than the Sentry. Sentry moved at high speeds against Thor and WW Hulk. As the Sentry he didn't win either fight. Bring me something impressive not more excuses about why he couldn't best weaker foes than Thanos. Get serious.
Thanos needs to say the word "Teleport". Until he has finished it, the Sentry has already won.
Sentry has far better speed showings then the Thor and WW Hulk instances.
Thor was chanceless during the entire battle, since he only managed to tag Sentry once with the Mjolnir BFR, which didn't do crap by the way. Ares also managed to tag Sentry once and then he died.
In his fight with WW Hulk Sentry was supporting WW Hulk, thanking him for the punches in the face, because he wanted the Hulk to stop him, since he knew that he started losing the control. He was not trying to dodge anything, so there goes your argument.
Read my posts, then you will come across his showings.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos isn't just smart he's powerful. Thanos beats the snot out of guys that have killed the Sentry(with his permission). Thor--with the power gem even. A much more powerful dangerous Thor who didn't even want to kill the Void until he forced his hand into being that violent. Yes, the Sentry is the guy by character who has mental problems plaguing him. It's how he's always been portrayed you somehow think we ignore that. Do research on him.
Thanos is smarter then the Sentry and he has the prep-advantage, if the OP gives him prep. You didn't give him prep, it's a random encounter and that one he loses big time.
Thanos never actually destroyed Power Gem Thor. If you're a fan of Thanos, then you should know that .. *cough* .. tech devices .. *cough*
Uhm, Sentry was a character who mentored tons of heroes and inspired them to be even greater. How about you do some research and stop telling a Sentry expert to learn something about the character, I mean what the hell, dude?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bob asked them to kill him because he couldn't even control himself or his actions. That isn't noble that's pathetic.
He was not able to control the Void aspect of him anymore. His last act was to restrain the Void and give the heroes the chance to kill him off. Then Robert never returned.
Robert Reynolds had an illness. Is that a crime? Do you hate sick people? I know some guys from the history books who also hated sick people and got rid of them, if you know what I mean.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has faced far superior characters than the Sentry who has been bested by the Human Torch and burned out against WW Hulk. Get real.
Seriously? Human Torch and WW Hulk again? You are an idiot.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry isn't above the Silver Surfer. The Void is but you stated the Sentry. The Sentry has been bested by far less than the Surfer. Torch. Iron Man. Doom reached new heights of power with the Surfer's power and who cares about Doom the Surfer isn't going down to the Human Torch. Torch is gonna burn ya.
Right now you're lying and using some of the worst ABC-logic I've ever come across.
Sentry nearly always defeated Void, when he was in a good mental condition. You're desperately ignoring every single good showing of the Sentry, when he was clear minded and trying to put him into the nutcase bracket for the sake of this particular battle.
If I remember correctly then Doctor Doom took Silver Surfer's powers once, hell maybe even twice, but that's about it. He had more encounters with the Silver Surfer and he won nearly all of them, mostly by using his tech and his magic, yet that was NEVER enough for the Sentry, not even when he had the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.
Sentry > Doctor Doom = Silver Surfer
Iron Man was trying to flee, when Sentry attacked him. He used CLOC to immobilize Sentry and then continued running away.
Sentry would kill Human Torch with one punch.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the Sentry did burn himself out and reverted back into his human persona. It hurts so good does it not ?
You are probably one of the worst debaters I've ever come across in my entire life. This is now not only limited to comic book forum fights, but to simply every single debate I had in my life.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Void screamed kill me and Thor did so thus proving he can die. Guilt and a weak mental state is why he'd want to die. Why ask me why he'd want to die because it already happened on panel I don't make things up I argue based on what has already occurred. You argue on hypotheticals and baseless claims.
Once again you're lying and writing down miserable crap.
No one ever said that the Void / Sentry / Robert can't die. He can, he already has, but if he dies, he simply returns, if he wants to and after the Siege he didn't want to return, because he knew that the Void would have killed everyone, if he took over again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, Thanos toyed with his foes. He was putting on a show for his lady not trying to oneshot everyone in his path. Torch defeated the Sentry. Everytime you want to harp on Doom I will bring up someone weaker defeating the Sentry.
I guess you already gave it up. I don't expect even one valid argument out of your mouth anymore. Do you actually know what plot devices are?
Sentry was in a weakened state, when he took on the Collective, a guy with the powers of 50 mutants, and then he also flew Xorn into the sun, yet Human Torch is too much for him? LOL. Plot devices man, plot devices to remove him from the battlefield. It's that simple. EVERYONE understands that, just not you, because you're a weird one.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry is barely better than him but Thor is powerful enough to affect him. On panel it was a back and forth type thing.
Sentry stands above Thor. I already adressed it so many times.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos used them to fake his own death. Try understanding his intentions I mean She Hulk punched the Sentry down on her own. Sentry wasn't trying to prove a point there either. Thanos brought down a universe in Thanos Imperative.
Ah, even more lies. Try to follow me now ...
She-Hulk gets BFR'd by the Sentry, returns with a taxi, punches Sentry down from behind and that doesn't bother him at all. He stands up, takes her punches, punchs her away and BFR's her again.
Against ...
A Thanos who fears so many things and even trains Gamora to fight his fights, LOL! Additionally to that he gets smacked around by Professor Hulk, one of Hulk's weakest incarnations, even when he is expecting it and he uses his Death Ray Vision once more to blast an opponent away, just like before when he used it to get rid of Thor and the Thing and also thanked them for punching him far away for the needed distance.
AND THERE YOU SAY THAT THANOS IS TOYING WITH HIS ENEMIES, LOL!
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos brings down planets not something hovering over Oklahoma. That isn't in Thanos' class of feats.
Yeah, I saw Thanos vast damage output :-7
Why don't you post ONLY the picture where he blasts Galactus away and skip the scan, where Galactus is peeeeeeerfectly fine afterwards, easily overpowers Thanos who then has to beg for mercy? Would boost your credibility for sure. Oh wait, it wouldn't!
Originally posted by quanchi112
Void didn't oneshot Thor. He didn't even oneshot Captain America. Void didn't even oneshot Ares. He oneshotted Loki big whoop.
Void one-shotted Thor and one-shotted everyone else on the battlefield.
That includes Captain America, but the funny thing is that it's freaking unimportant that he one-shotted Captain America. The interesting thing is that he phased through Captain America's shield and one-shotted him then, lol!
Loki has a greater durability then Ares, so what's your point? He molecule manipulated the crap out of Loki, while he tore apart Ares. Both great feats. I have yet to see Thanos doing something like that.
Thanos can dodge attacks from someone like Champion, who does not have super speed as a part of his power set and he has to teleport away, when Champion decides to destroy the planet.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They didn't depower him he went all out. It wasn't enough. You speculate he was depowered without any proof. That's why you are a baseless poster. You can't prove anything. You never do. You just blow smoke I breathe Fire.
I always prove it, by writing it down the way it was. If you doubt something, then simply ask for the scans and I will deliver them. No problem.
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/1014/unbenannt1np.jpg
^ In this one, it's explained that his power level scales with his mental stability ...
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/8229/2006258sen1yv0.jpg
^ Sentry admits that the agoraphobia is bothering him and he is unable to leave his house for days, while Hulk is on a rampage ...
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2968/aawwh05018.jpg
^ Later on he faces the Hulk, but loses the control over his powers and starts destroying the entire city. There is no point in that for him, but he is so unstable, that he can't control his powers and since his power level scales with his mental stability in this particular instance, he is not dishing out more damage ...
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8394/newthunderbolts014page1.jpg
^ In this battle there was no hint out about his mental stability and he was destroying planets while holding back ...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry's powers can be limited by his mind his major weakness. That wasn't the case against WW Hulk.
Writers tend to limit the Sentry, when they need a way to downgrade him, so that he doesn't overpower every single other Marvel Earth-bound hero in a matter of seconds.
You're downgrading him by exploiting his bad showings, which can be linked to his mental instability, so that your Thanos doesn't lose the fight and in the process you ignore all the good showings Sentry ever had.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Iron Man messed with his mind and so did the Skrulls. Many can mess with his mind including Norman Osborne. I don't mean mind raping I mean simply by talking to him. 🙂 Thanos is very cunning it's one of his greatest strengths.
Plot devices, plot devices and even more plot devices.
What else could Iron Man do but to hack CLOC and overload the Sentry with catastrophes all over the planet where countless people die?
What else could the Skrulls actually do to the Sentry, but confronting him with the Void, so that he flies away, and even something like that is only possible if he has a bad day in the first place, since Sentry had as many showings, where he stayed in the battle and faced the Void / battled him off.
Sentry can't be telepathically overpowered / controled. Something like that never happened. But he can be manipulated, if he has bad days. Even Kingpin managed to do something like that.
But for something like that to happen, people need time, his trust and everything else to subdue him. What do you expect Thanos to do in the middle of the fight, while Sentry is punching his face? Talk to him about what? Thanos doesn't know the Sentry. At first he would have to find everything out what he needs to know about the Sentry, but for that he needs prep time and with prep time, he doesn't even have to exploit Sentry's mind, he can simply gather the Infinity Gauntlet again and then he can face the Sentry.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Void can beat savage hulk but then again so can Thanos. WW Hulk can burn out the Sentry not Thanos.
Thanos was fighting Professor Hulk and the Thing ... He never faced stronger Hulk versions, if I remember correctly, so what makes you think, that Thanos could physically take on characters like WW Hulk?
Because he overpowered Lord Mar-Vell? How many strenght feats did Lord Mar-Vell actually have, besides beating down Nova, who was never all about strenght, not even as Nova-Prime?
Lord Mar-Vell attacked the Silver Surfer and the others only with energy based attacks and magic. And besides that, I think that Lord Mar-Vell can't really reach Sentry's energy output. He could destroy a planet or two, but that's about it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because Thanos is death's avatar. He has killed immortal beings while the Void hasn't. 🙂
If I'm not wrong, then Molecule Man yet has to return from the dead.
Thanos never killed someone like the Sentry.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Except the Sentry overcame that phobia when he left his house. He pouted out all his frustration and power into the Hulk and finally released it all. The Sentry can't easily shrug off the WW Hulk's best sorry they fought already and you can't excuse the showing simply because you're upset. Thanos would own both the WW Hulk and the Sentry.
Already adressed this with the screenshots. People can overcome their phobia, especially if they really have to and in that fight Sentry had to, because Hulk was intending to kill the heroes.
But it's not like Sentry's power level instantly rises from zero to hero, simply because he left his house. If you fear something and overcome the fear, you still don't feel well in the process, but you know that there are more important things, yet you still feel anxious and weak.
That are basically logical facts. You're being once again biased towards Thanos and trying everything in your might to lowball the Sentry.
Lucky you that Pak didn't continue writing the World War Hulk arc, because he had in mind Hulk owning characters like Thanos.
Sentry > Thanos.
Sentry > WW Hulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I also know Sentry beat the Blue Marvel in his own book so I cited the same crappy reason you said the hero had to win and proved you wrong. That's called debating. What you do is called making excuses.
What?
It was Blue Marvel's own book and the Sentry defeated him there. Nothing else matters. They were both heroes, brawling it out, while Sentry was an established character and Blue Marvel was someone who had to be hyped up, yet he lost in the end, because the writers knew that Sentry stands above him and judging by the power level he does indeed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Oak didn't depower the Sentry he had him unleash all his power into the WW Hulk. I will find that interview if it's still online and for your sake I'd pray Quan doesn't find it because Pak will back my reasoning not yours and then you will have no choice but to concede.
Find it and give it to me. Not like it's going to bother me, LOL! There are showings all over the places which show Sentry having a much higher power level then what was shown during the WW Hulk arc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was mentally unstable but he went all out against WW Hulk and had to be stopped. Bruce stopped him. End of story.
He was mentally unstable and went all out with the power under his dissposal he was not able to wield propperly.
He turned into the bad guy during that story and continued taking Hulk's attacks to tone himself down.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Professor Hulk did punch him but then again She Hulk punched Sentry to the ground. Iron Man defeated him as did the Human Torch. Thor destroyed his entire body with one attack. Yeah, Thanos stomps.
Nope, not going to adress this again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Pak wrote the Sentry so what your opinion is has no bearing on what his story did with regards to the Sentry. He makes things canon not you. Sentry poured his power into the Hulk not into the planet. WW Hulk survived it no problem and he was holding back.
Pak also made it pretty clear in what condition Sentry was and other writers (especially Jenkins) made it clear that Sentry was an ill man from time to time and that his power scaled with that illness.
A weakened Sentry stalemated one of the most powerful Hulk incarnations, yes.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, Sentry rushed him when his attention was on the rest of the team who were all fighting him while he had a few seconds of recovery time. Sentry then collapsed right after. I agree Blue Marvel wasn't able to react while fighting an entire team but one on one he could react which is entirely different.
Blue Marvel hit Ares and Wonder Man away, punched Iron man to the ground and during that punch Sentry traveled from the orbit to the Earth and speedblitzed Blue Marvel into the ground.
Blue Marvel isn't as fast as the Sentry. Not in terms of traveling speed, not in terms of reaction time, not in terms of fighting speed... He is overall not in Sentry's league when it comes to speed and few other things as well.
Sentry speedblitzed him into the ground. He speedblitzed Blue Marvel, who was doing just fine before, when he was tossing around the other Avengers, who were not in his league. Blue Marvel got one-shotted by Sentry, who took the impact of the speedblitz as well, since he basically tackled a super durable meta human and also hit the ground, yet he was the one who was standing in the end.
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk>Sentry because he won. Thanos>>>Sentry since Iron Man and the Human Torch have defeated him.
Not going to adress this non-sense.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he lost control couldn't stop so Bruce Banner stopped him. He thanked Bruce for stopping him. You are speculating and favoring one showing over another and wildly speculating.
Nope, I'm not speculating and not favoring anyone, since that's what happened. Sentry took all the hits without trying to avoid them, because he knew that he was losing the control over his powers.
When it comes to forum fights, we're still using the characters at their peak, even in Thanos related threads opened by Quanchi, the guy without a clue.
We don't depower the Sentry, because he had few bad showings where he was mentally unstable and say that that's his regular condition, since he also had very good showings with a clear mind all over the place.
What I'm doing right now, is just being fair.
What you're doing right now, is being biased towards the favorite character and against his opponent.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am citing examples to back my claims your claims are Thanos has never faced anyone like him. That isn't debating. That's just wasting bandwith. We look at the majority of how they are portrayed and the Sentry/Void brings a lot of baggage while being far weaker than Thanos. Thanos is immune to death the Void isn't. I backed my claims you haven't. You want to ignore the helicarrier while saying he's stronger than Thanos while ignoring he wasn't even portrayed as an equal in terms of strength against WW Hulk.
You're using your weird, twisted brain to try to give Thanos a fighting advantage and you have yet to prove that Thanos can permanently kill someone like the Sentry. When you manage to do that, you have the point, but since you won't be able to do so, how about you actually stop talking about it?
And once again you're wrong with the World War Hulk instance. I will post few more scans, because right now you demanded some again. As I said it. Everything I say, I can prove with scans, you just have to ask for it.
In his fight with World War Hulk, Sentry had the upper hand the entire time. Pay good attention at the scans. At the actual fight and what's happening there:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/174/aawwh05008009.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3996/aawwh05010.jpg
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^ In these few scans you see Sentry bullrushing Hulk through few buildings. Hulk knew he was coming, yet he was not able to dodge. He took it. In the last scan you see Hulk hitting Sentry in the face and now watch it ...
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/892/aawwh05015.jpg
^ You see Sentry talking to the Hulk, not attacking him, taking his hits, supporting him with words, while Hulk is all serious ...
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^ [/i]Sentry smiles, releases power and busts everything around him away. Hulk falls to the ground, Sentry flies above and his energy escalates, causes damage in billions ...[/i]
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5415/aawwh05019.jpg
^ [/i]Hulk's Warbounds are trying to cut him free from Sentry's energy which subdues Hulk ...[/i]
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1690/aawwh05020.jpg
^ You see Hulk holding Sentry's energy in his hands, insulting the people around him and jumping up ...
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7157/aawwh05021.jpg
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1020/aawwh05022.jpg
^ Hulk is all serious again and starts getting attacked by the Sentry, slap after slap, obviously unable to defeat himself, until he grabs the Sentry ...
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5948/aawwh05023.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9018/aawwh05024.jpg
^ He starts punching Sentry again, who rather talks then actually fighting back ...
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http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/994/aawwh05026.jpg
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^ In the end, they brawl it out and revert both back to their human forms ...
And these are the reasons why even Hulk fans say that Sentry was busting him pretty hard during that fight, since Sentry took the fight a lot easier then the Hulk. Additionally to that he was in a weak mental state and didn't want to fight in the first place, because he considers Hulk and him as friends.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he's strong but not as strong as Thanos. Thanos resisted a cc's power in koing him straight up. That's far more impressive than just holding one.
Sentry had more instances with Cosmic Cubes then Thanos.
a) Sentry was holding the Cosmic Cube for a while.
b) Sentry easily overpowered the Molecule Man, who is the half of a Cosmic Cube and is supposed to have vast potential, maybe even the greatest potential of all Cosmic Cube beings, because of his humanity.
c) Sentry harmed Absorbing Man, who was wielding the powers of a Cosmic Cube, yet he also got reality warped the crap out of him by Creel in the very same fight, but then again. I'm always saying that Sentry would have some major issues with a powerful reality warper.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Seems to me like a lot of showings where he's in a weakened state of mind. Stalemating the Collective isn't that impressive anyways since Thanos has beaten the Maker and easily on panel.
The Collective easily overpowered planet busters o_O And Sentry was unstable, when he was facing him.
And it's not like Thanos defeating the Maker is that impressive, especially because he needed more time and attacks, than Sentry needed more time to defeat the Molecule Man :-7
Are you impressed by the explosion Thanos survived during his fight with the Maker? Sentry can inflict sooo much more damage and also in a shorter amount of time, because he has the speed to do so, while Thanos has not.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer has easily bested Terrax. Morg has bested terrax. Terrax isn't that impressive. The manner in which he handled terrax was but the guy isn't up to taking on WW Hulk or the Surfer. Thanos has destroyed another character the Surfer who has easily bested Terrax.
I actually don't mind ABC-logic.
Terrax jobs a lot, yes, but mostly he can compete, if he faces someone, yet Sentry humiliated him so hard, it wasn't even funny anymore.
Sentry would also destroy Silver Surfer. Silver Surfer is not impressive. Silver Surfer also admitted that Mjolnir is overall more powerful then him, he was not able to keep Mjolnir from Thor, even though he was empowered, he said that Doctor Doom and him would be equals, but yet he lost most of the fights he had with Doctor Doom, yet Sentry would defeat Thor and Doctor Doom like he already has.
The same applies for Thanos. Sentry would defeat Thanos and you have yet to come up with valid arguments to actually start a debate. Everything 'til now was plain old wishy-washy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anything Sentry does Thanos does better.
Yes, anything besides the strenght, speed, energy projection, matter manipulation and all the other gimmicks.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos can kill immortal beings so he kills the Sentry since Thor can with sentry's permission.
Even Iron Man can kill Sentry with his permission. It's up to Sentry if he returns or not.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Have I struck a nerve ?
Nope.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You keep saying baseless claim after baseless claim. Try to prove something.
I can prove anything you want. How about you try it?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Back up your assertion Thanos cannot take on someone with the speed and strength of the Sentry despite Hercules,WW Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, and the Human Torch doing so.
Adressed all of these points, also multiple times.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The skrulls easily screwed with his mind and got rid of him. How noble for a hero to disappear when the going gets tough.
He flew from Earth to Saturn during one scream and then he also returned to destroy the Super Skrull who was threatening Lindy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Human Torch still defeated someone vastly more powerful. That's pathetic.
Yeah, through a bad plot device to get rid of him. Your point is? It's pathetic how often you're brining in this bullshit into this ... well, it's actually hard to call it a debate, since it's more of a massacre where you're the victim.
How about I bring in other PIS moments in the history of comic books, where Spider-Man beats down Firelord, Captain America knocks out the Hulk, or Squirrel Girl defeats Thanos, LOLO!
Originally posted by quanchi112
Iron Man didn't lack the strength or speed. Hercules didn't lack the strength and speed. Human Torch didn't lack the strength and speed. Blue Marvel didn't lack the strength and speed to compete with him either. Thor didn't lack the strength and speed.
Stop only looking at the pictures. Read the freaking comic books, you cave-troll.
Iron Man is vastly outclassed when it comes to comparing him with the Sentry. He was not able to get rid of the Sentry by punching him, he was not able to get rid of the Sentry by trying to fly away. Sentry was stomping him all over the place and his only chance was to get past Reed's firewall and exploit CLOC to immobilize the Sentry.
Hercules was outskilling a Sentry who wasn't serious at all about the fight and tried to talk it out. When he finally had enough and also said it: "It's been fun, but now it's over", he speedblitzed Hercules, rammed him into the ground, punched him, where Hercules had to use both hands to block the punch and then had to cheat and kick Sentry into the nuts, to keep running away and sinking a cruise ship to distract the Sentry.
Sentry punched Blue Marvel more often and took him down, before he got BFR'd with the punch into the orbit, yet he returned 3 panels after with a speedblitz which one-shotted Blue Marvel, who was fine before and yet not able to react to the speedblitz, nor stand up afterwards.
Everything Thor did in their entire battle was one BFR through a Mjolnir-smack. Afterwards he was chanceless, losing more and more blood and he was in the same position as Ares before he got ripped apart. You could say that it was Osborn who saved Thor from being torn apart!
Additionally to that Thor was not able to prevent Voidsentry from taking down Asgard and killing Loki, because he is simply too slow.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I just cited numerous examples of characters weaker than Thanos not only competing but some actually defeating the Sentry. Thanos is far more powerful than any of these characters/immune to death/able to cause permanent death/has abilities to counter speed and far too cunning/intelligent for the Sentry/Void.
Once again, you didn't do crap.
Sentry had the upper hand in nearly every single scenario you just named and most of these characters have feats which put them strenght wise above Thanos, who lacks the strenght feats. And while few of them have greater feats then the Sentry, they were still behind him, when they faced him.
Additionally to that Thanos faced a lot of weaker characters in the past who got many major upgrades, which were also visible. You can't say something like that about Thanos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor killed him with his permission. That's called destroying his body. Loki knew he couldn't put the Void down but Loki's been unable to best Thor as well so really nothing amazing about it. Void didn't oneshot Thor, etc. Who did he oneshot other than Loki ? Honestly ?
When I say one-shot, I often have in mind that he took them down with one attack, basically something what happened to everyone on the battlefield at the beginning of Siege #4, where Void raised his hand and summoned black tendrils, which were going through Vision, through Void's godly body, through Captain America's shield and torturing them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The rest of the avengers all pale in comparison to Thor so really what are you trying to prove that street levelers can't really harm him. Nicely done. Yes, a nuke like explosion caused the guilt to manifest itself in the guise of Bob who demanded death. Thor was powerful enough to destroy his body.
Once again I blame this forum for actually separating the Siege Sentry / Void from all the other showings from the past, which were actually far greater then everything you could see during the Siege.
Void often faced legions of heroes, who were going against him.
For example at the beginning of the New Avengers where the following people faced him and failed miserably:
The X-Men, Namor and few of his followers, Iron Man and S.H.I.E.L.D., the Inhumans, the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange and maybe even few more, don't know right now.
Void was totally ignoring them, tossing them around, stomping on Captain America, while the others desperately tried to free him.
It took the combined efforts of Iron Man, Doctor Strange and Invisible Woman to create a super force field to prevent the Void from attacking Emma Frost who was trying to help Robert.
The three force field casters were not able to enter the battle, but only had to substain the force field and it took the best of them, since in the end you could see Invisible Woman having nose bleed, something what happens when she goes all out.
On that battlefield there were a lot more powerful people then the pre Norn-stones-upgrade heroes from Siege and yet even all these people like the Inhumans, the Fantastic Four and so on were not bothering Void at all. AT ALL, he didn't even pay attention.
While Void is a team-buster and still gets defeated by Sentry on a regular basis, if Sentry is mentally stable... Thanos is not a team buster and gets tagged and tossed around even when he has the Infinity Gauntlet, because even he has some issues.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos>>>>>>>Sentry.
Sentry > Thanos
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. He asked Thor to do so and he ended up granting the request.
Once again you're lying and talking complete non-sense. No wonder that no one takes you seriously.
Robert never asked Thor specificaly. He was looking at the ground and asked to be killed. Thor was the first one who said: "No", with all of his ego. I'm telling you, Robert was the one who killed the Void, no one else. Even Bendis, the writer of the event said that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
2.I agree WW Hulk was in a disadvantage since he had to protect the people since the Sentry lost his composure. Hulk still overcame.
LoL, WW Hulk had the intention to destroy everything around him. He didn't bother about the people. (And now I'm specificaly talking about the heroes in the area)
Originally posted by quanchi112
3. That's still a win. Man, that sucks the Human Torch beat him. That's pretty bad.
Glad to hear you admit Thanos is more powerful and since stupider/weaker characters than Thanos can best him then so can he. Awesome.
I don't know if I should start to laugh or to cry. You're a giant joke.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There's a first time for everything I await with fevered anticipation.
Lord Mar-vell was powerful enough to oneshot the Magus, easily ward off Nova and destroy Surfer's board with minimal effort thus proving he's beyond elite top tier.
There is nothing impressive in these examples. Hell, Terrax sliced with his axe through Surfer's board. Does that make him awesome? Sentry didn't even flinch when he destroyed Terrax' axe with his bare hands.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos caused what couldn't be caused by anyone else due to his power over death. That's it. He's immune to death the Void isn't. That isn't speculating that's a fact.
A fact is it also that Thanos never killed someone who is as unique as the Sentry and simply decides to return from the dead. Sentry is not a character who simply can't die, because he is immortal. He can die, but then he returns. That's being much more then just immortal.
You still haven't adressed Thanos' failure, where he said that immortality has it's limit and that the limit could be a drop from the orbit, lolo!
Originally posted by quanchi112
I could care less about your box of comics. [🙂]
A lot more than you apparently.
I M not your mate I am your father. You tried to twist plenty of times the truth or the stories so what's one more time.
You're like... You're like... Oh damn, no. I need to count to 10.
1... 2... 3... 4... Sentry wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor was powerful enough to destroy his body. He could have returned on Thor but mentally wanted death so he didn't come back.
The Void was badly, badly harmed and still restrained by Robert when he got killed by Thor, so there is no bad showing for Void and there is no good showing for Thor in that one.
Originally posted by quanchi112
b. Void wasn't weakened at all. Void/Bob just wanted to die while Thor had the power to destroy his body.
c. Loki was oneshotted but he isn't the most durable character out there to begin with.
d. That isn't heroism it is called cowardice not being held accountable for your actions.
Yes, but Thanos can cause permanent death so who cares. I am talking about Thanos ala Thanos Imperative sorry you seem quite scared of avatar of death Thanos.
b) Void was actually very weakened or did you miss all the attacks from the empowered heroes and the dropping of the Helicarrier onto his forehead?
c) Loki is durable enough. He proved it more then once in the past, but you probably don't know crap about Loki to actually judge it.
d) I'm not scared of Thanos' current AOD upgrade, since that's what it is. It's just a current upgrade. When he loses it, you won't have shit to defend your character. Right now he only has his immortality which turns the fight into a longer one, than we actually want.
Thanos killing immortal enemies doesn't mean shit. Either you do understand why it's debatable if it would work on the Sentry, or you're simply too stupid and really don't understand it, but then again. It has been debated well enough in this thread, so check it out. I'm not going to draw you a picture, to make it more understandable for you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, because the Sentry hasn't moved faster than Hercules/Thor/WW Hulk/Ares/Human Torch/Blue Marvel/Photon have been able to react to before.
Sentry moves faster then all of these people, so what's your point?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos easily waved down Thor's hammer and easily stopped Fallen One's speed by simply raising his hand. I don't even need to bring up Thanos' reflexes against the Surfer in ig either to address this nonsense.
And you should not adress Thanos' reflexes during the IG saga, because I already adressed that point in this thread.
There is no great reflex showing for Thanos, since nothing indicated that he was reacting to the Surfer who MISSED his target. Judging by what we saw there, we could either say that Thanos maybe felt the energies from far, far away and knew that something would be coming, or he was suspicious because of Captain America, who was simply standing there, not reacting to the upcoming punch and that's why Thanos suspected something. Nothing has shown that he has uber reflexes. He himself said that he nearly lost the Infinity Gauntlet.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos toyed with Doom. Iron Man's tech not only dealt with sentry's attacks Iron Man bested him. 😂
Thanos blasted Doom away with the wrath of the Infinity Gauntlet. That sounds more then just toying around, especially if we keep in mind that in the scene before Dr. Doom was trying to take away the IG by force from Thanos' hand, who then was probably pissed off.
Iron Man said that he was lucky that his armor was not harmed after Sentry's speedblitz.
Sentry went easy on Iron Man, since at the beginning he only wanted to talk him into giving up.
Guess what, Sentry didn't went so easy on Dr. Doom and overpowered him multiple times, yay! Can't remember when Thanos did something like that.
Sentry wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry is greater than Doom and so is Thanos. Thanos is greater than Iron Man though but so far the Sentry has lost to him. Yes, the Sentry is powerful just nowhere near Thanos level of power.
So, judging by your miserable logic, which is making me angrier and angrier ...
Sentry is greater then Doom ... who defeated Silver Surfer more then once, yet in your opinion Silver Surfer stands above Sentry? And while Iron Man was desperately trying to flee from the Sentry and found a way to get rid of him by hacking CLOC he now defeated the Sentry in a fight and because Iron Man is weaker then Thanos, Sentry as to be under Thanos too?
You are stupid. I would actually never say something like that to a person who is older then me and could have children or something like that and achieved more in life, then I have with my 24 years, but you sir ... you are simply stupid.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Once again you are distancing yourself from pretty much 80 percent of his showings. I debate with what's happened your debating is sentry is too fast, too strong nonsense without posting evidence in Thanos' history or Sentry's to come to this conclusion.
I told you more then once about the showings where you can judge the characters strenght / speed level.
If you don't believe me, simply demands scans. I already posted a lot of scans in the answers where you asked for something like that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor also has never burned himself out either.
"Rage, hold me ... ;_;"
Originally posted by quanchi112
Punching Thanos isn't beating Thanos despite Human Torch and Iron Man both of whom are far weaker than Hulk have defeated the Sentry.
You too know that Sentry wins, I know it :-)
Originally posted by quanchi112
He burned himself out while pouring all he had into the WW Hulk still it wasn't enough. The Collective was only stalemated and is nowhere near as impressive as Thanos defeating the maker.
LoLoLoLo, yeah no wonder few people laugh at you.
1. He "burned himself" out during WW Hulk and he was destroying planets while holding back during New Thunderbolds. Guess what? Sentry wins.
2. He stalemated the Collective, while he was in a weak mental state and the Collective was powerful enough to EASILY trash Binary, who is a planet buster, while Thanos had to teleport away from an exploding planet.
3. Thanos got attacked by the Maker with an explosion. Wowooooooo big ass damage there! How about you adress the point where Sentry easily defeated Molecule Man? Far more easily and a lot faster then Thanos finished off the Maker, who also basically took on mortal form in the end and depowered herself O_o
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the Sentry hasn't beaten Thor the Voidtry is beyond him but not just the Sentry.
Sentry > Void > Thanos
Originally posted by quanchi112
Reynolds isn't all powerful that's just ridiculous.
What can Robert Reynolds do?
He is strong, fast, durable, invulnerable, can regenerate, is immortal, seems to not age, doesn't have to eat, can survive in space and overall in extreme temperates, can teleport around, can mind-wipe entire planets and even further dig into specific memories of people, he can insert his memories into the minds of other people, he has overall telepathy and empathy, he can heal and resurrect people, he can manipulate, absorb and emit various kinds of energies and radiations, he returns from the dead at will, he can give his powers to others, he can go invisible and turn intangible ... molecule manipulation. He pretty much is all-powerful, since he has no limits.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We go by most current. Don't be silly. Destroying planets is something the Surfer can achieve it doesn't get him very far against Thanos.You just bragged about destroying planets and now the character who has done so and has lost to Thanos it suddenly becomes unimpressive. You are all over the place stepping all over your own arguments. How sad. World destroying power doesn't mean much to Thanos but to the Sentry's it's pretty high end.
I'm not talking about destroying a planet. I'm talking about destroying multiple planets while vastly holding back, to not insta-kill Captain America and when Captain America is not on the battlefield anymore, releasing the power and having so much energy that it escalates a microverse.
Silver Surfer does not have that much power and Thanos does not have that much power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I laughed when you told me. I probably own more Sentry comics than you.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Photon won the Sentry lost. Canon.
Gonna tell you a secret, mate :-) He BFR'd him into a microverse and knew that Sentry would find his way out, but until then they would be already gone.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry's speed didn't even show an advantage over Thor or Hercules yet you expect me to believe it matters against Thanos.
Actually yes, speed is always an advantage and also was it in these particular fights. Even in the weird Hercules fight, where Sentry finally had enough and simply speedblitzed Hercules into the ground and then punched him, forced Hercules to use both hands to block the punch: "Ugn..."
Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Here's the thing you can post these long drawn out responses because I am sure until you met me most posters lost interest and you believed you won the debate. You will learn I won't leave. I won't relent. I will crawl into your soul at the end and one thing will remain clear
That's the point and that's also why you should pity yourself.
You basically didn't adress anything interesting which could actually grant Thanos the victory. I deconstructed basically everything you continued throwing at me in your pathetic biasm towards Thanos.
By reading through your entire text, I mainly came across the same few sentences:
- "Sentry burned himself out during WW Hulk"
- "Human Torch defeated him"
- "Iron Man defeated him"
- "Thanos is the Avatar of Death"
That's it. There was NOTHING else. During this entire debate, from the very first beginning, I was the one who provided more informations about Thanos then you did and that's actually pathetic.
I actually liked Thanos, the reason why I have so many Thanos comics, but right now I'm starting to hate him because of you and your stupidity. You don't know how to debate, you don't provide anything I could work with besides your weird, strange biasm.
The same applies for Nihilist, who won't be able to debate for Thanos either, since Thanos would simply lose.
Sentry > Thanos. It was official when you opened this thread and it's official now, after so many posts, where you basically said NOTHING smart at all and I really mean nothing.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Eradicator has almost every power sentry has, give or take a few. That doesn't mean he's going to beat thanos.
A fairly held back post. No insulting, no lowballing and so on. I like that.
You're making one mistake. You're comparing the DC universe way too directly to the Marvel universe.
Everyone who reads comics knows that Marvel is more realistic. What's one of the reasons Marvel has many fans. That includes me.
When Sentry was introduced at first, he was over the top. He was meant to be a Silver Age Superman, stalemating Galactus and saving galaxies.
When he was brought into continuity, he was "depowered" for the sake of the stories. There was never ever a retcon of the character, they simply came up with plot devices.
Something like that would have happened to every single DC top tier character like Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and so on, in order to keep the things balanced on the Marvel Earth. You know it, since I don't consider you a stupid guy.
If they kept Sentry in the space (which would have been a pity and he would have not become my favorite character), they would have been able to cut loose and write him from the very first beginning as the over the top character he actually really is.
But what's the point in having a character like Sentry who can save the entire world in seconds on the Marvel Earth, which is full of heroes who can't compete at all with him? There is no point, so they came up with the already mentioned devices.
But that's not my point:
Even though Sentry had few low showings, which can be tracked back to his mental issues, he had also over the top showings.
I have to admit, that I'm by far not an expert when it comes to Eradicator, but I can't remember when he was doing something on Sentry-level molecule manipulation. While that may sound weird now, since he obviously has far more feats in terms of the molecule manipulation, I still don't see them as superior at all.
Most of the stunts Eradicator pulled off in terms of molecule manipulation were party tricks. He turned few objects into something different, but it's not like Sentry never did something like that. I would even go as far to say that the things he has done were more impressive.
He too manipulated pure rock into something different. A golden orb which was protecting and healing Hulk in the fight against Void.
Eradicator manipulated Jimmy Olsen and have him stretching abilities, but the Sentry healed illness, or even gave it. He was maybe even helping the Savage Hulk out and made him more reasonable, but that would be more of telepathy feats.
Eradicator created life, Sentry created life, or at least I think he did. That werewolf instance was kinda weird.
I can't remember when Eradicator ever used his molecule manipulation to pull off stunts like a pissed off Sentry who basically ignored the Master of the Molecules, who is by far superior to Eradicator when it comes to molecule manipulation, and Sentry also destroyed that man. He destroyed gods.
Besides that, I never saw Eradicator pulling off energy projection feats which put him far, far, far, far above planeterary busting level.
That's where the people often underestimate the Sentry. The most times where he was busting out energy it were AOE attacks. He was destroying everything around him. I rarely saw him shooting concentrated blasts which would be easier to dodge, but AOE's are a whole another story.
Sentry > Thanos, it's that simple. Thanos never faced someone like the Sentry, who has the raw power. He by far has not the finesse of an Eradicator, or a Thanos, but Sentry simply has the raw power.
+ He destroys multiple planets, while holding back.
+ He outbusts a microverse, when he cuts loose.
+ He matter manipulates the crap out of serious opponents.
+ He regenerates from taken damage in seconds.
+ He walkes through even most powerful shields, like they're not there.
+ He returns from the dead, if someone actually manages to kill him off.
+ He is way faster then the speed of light.
+ He stalemates a guy with the powers of 50 mutants, who easily overpowers Binary and he stalemates one of the most powerful Hulk versions, while being in a weak condition, all of that while being in a weak condition.
+ He outmuscles the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.
+ He wipes the minds of everything on the world, which includes humans and animals at will.
Thanos is not beating that guy, since I'm still saying that that guy would defeat the Annihilators.
The only threat would be Silver Surfer, but Silver Surfer had to deal with Doctor Doom more then once. He once said that he considers them both equal, yet he lost in most of the encounters.
Silver Surfer also already admitted that Mjolnir has more power then he has and there was also Thor, who was doing just fine even though Silver Surfer was empowered. Thor defeated Silver Surfer also more then once, and Thor stands under Sentry. Not in terms of feats, but in terms of the power level.
And Sentry VS Doom? We all saw what happened there; multiple times.
Originally posted by Enzeruathanos shall bow to the power of a million exploding suns plain and simple
A fairly held back post. No insulting, no lowballing and so on. I like that.You're making one mistake. You're comparing the DC universe way too directly to the Marvel universe.
Everyone who reads comics knows that Marvel is more realistic. What's one of the reasons Marvel has many fans. That includes me.When Sentry was introduced at first, he was over the top. He was meant to be a Silver Age Superman, stalemating Galactus and saving galaxies.
When he was brought into continuity, he was "depowered" for the sake of the stories. There was never ever a retcon of the character, they simply came up with plot devices.Something like that would have happened to every single DC top tier character like Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and so on, in order to keep the things balanced on the Marvel Earth. You know it, since I don't consider you a stupid guy.
If they kept Sentry in the space (which would have been a pity and he would have not become my favorite character), they would have been able to cut loose and write him from the very first beginning as the over the top character he actually really is.
But what's the point in having a character like Sentry who can save the entire world in seconds on the Marvel Earth, which is full of heroes who can't compete at all with him? There is no point, so they came up with the already mentioned devices.But that's not my point:
Even though Sentry had few low showings, which can be tracked back to his mental issues, he had also over the top showings.I have to admit, that I'm by far not an expert when it comes to Eradicator, but I can't remember when he was doing something on Sentry-level molecule manipulation. While that may sound weird now, since he obviously has far more feats in terms of the molecule manipulation, I still don't see them as superior at all.
Most of the stunts Eradicator pulled off in terms of molecule manipulation were party tricks. He turned few objects into something different, but it's not like Sentry never did something like that. I would even go as far to say that the things he has done were more impressive.
He too manipulated pure rock into something different. A golden orb which was protecting and healing Hulk in the fight against Void.Eradicator manipulated Jimmy Olsen and have him stretching abilities, but the Sentry healed illness, or even gave it. He was maybe even helping the Savage Hulk out and made him more reasonable, but that would be more of telepathy feats.
Eradicator created life, Sentry created life, or at least I think he did. That werewolf instance was kinda weird.
I can't remember when Eradicator ever used his molecule manipulation to pull off stunts like a pissed off Sentry who basically ignored the Master of the Molecules, who is by far superior to Eradicator when it comes to molecule manipulation, and Sentry also destroyed that man. He destroyed gods.
Besides that, I never saw Eradicator pulling off energy projection feats which put him far, far, far, far above planeterary busting level.
That's where the people often underestimate the Sentry. The most times where he was busting out energy it were AOE attacks. He was destroying everything around him. I rarely saw him shooting concentrated blasts which would be easier to dodge, but AOE's are a whole another story.Sentry > Thanos, it's that simple. Thanos never faced someone like the Sentry, who has the raw power. He by far has not the finesse of an Eradicator, or a Thanos, but Sentry simply has the raw power.
+ He destroys multiple planets, while holding back.
+ He outbusts a microverse, when he cuts loose.
+ He matter manipulates the crap out of serious opponents.
+ He regenerates from taken damage in seconds.
+ He walkes through even most powerful shields, like they're not there.
+ He returns from the dead, if someone actually manages to kill him off.
+ He is way faster then the speed of light.
+ He stalemates a guy with the powers of 50 mutants, who easily overpowers Binary and he stalemates one of the most powerful Hulk versions, while being in a weak condition, all of that while being in a weak condition.
+ He outmuscles the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.
+ He wipes the minds of everything on the world, which includes humans and animals at will.Thanos is not beating that guy, since I'm still saying that that guy would defeat the Annihilators.
The only threat would be Silver Surfer, but Silver Surfer had to deal with Doctor Doom more then once. He once said that he considers them both equal, yet he lost in most of the encounters.
Silver Surfer also already admitted that Mjolnir has more power then he has and there was also Thor, who was doing just fine even though Silver Surfer was empowered. Thor defeated Silver Surfer also more then once, and Thor stands under Sentry. Not in terms of feats, but in terms of the power level.
And Sentry VS Doom? We all saw what happened there; multiple times.
Thanos can kill but in order to do so he must bypass the victim's durability to the point of death.
That is to say, if Thanos can't bypass the victim's durability to the point of death then he can't kill them (even if they are mortal).
I'm not sure if Thanos can bypass Void's durability to the point of death.
Also since Void has more raw power then he can definitely ko Thanos.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Define "realistic".
Everything I need to say right now would actually be "the Flash". That guy is bending the laws of physics since 1940.
The entire concent behind the Flash-character is entire bullcrap and that's coming out of my mouth, someone who used to have a huge Flash-fetish some time ago. I even bought the entire Flash series from the 90 for my girlfriend, so that she could watch it too.
But there Flash was awesome.
Everything in comics is plain old bullcrap. Him saving 500.000 people in 0.00001 seconds? Flash could solo the entire planet in under 5 seconds, if he feels like it. And then you have characters like Zoom, who are even faster then Flash? And basically not even one comic book reader understands their powers.
Marvel never pulled off something as stupid as that and actually tried to explain it with the laws of physics, like the Flash writers are sometimes trying to do it desperately.
I mean, okay Marvel has his weird-o's too like the reality warpers and so on, but that's something I can go with. They change the reality, good for them. They manipulate the molecules, awesome.
But the Flash? Non-sense and I actually really like the Flash. I would like to have his powers, but they're as unrealistic as purple crap.
Flash moving at light speed and phasing through solid objects, just because he can control every single atom in his body simultaneously and phasing through solid objects? Bullcrap. If someone runs with the speed of light towards a wall, he destroys it, or he kills himself, what ever.
But the speed force gives the hosts the ability to add a protective field, bullrush through basically everything, or simply phase through it.
Marvel pulled off something like that too and that's a pity. Since the mutant speed was also able to phase through solid objects once.
It's a difference if someone has the ability to control the atoms thanks to his power set (like the Sentry) and if someone phases through solid objects by being fast (like the Flash).
But the Flash is not even the worst DC characters, when it comes to logic. I really, really light Nightwing. He is one of my favorite characters and the same goes for the Red Hood, but I often pity that they're parts of the Batfamily. I ... HATE ... And I really, really mean it: I HATE BATMAN.
In my opinion, Batman is one of the biggest abortions the comics ever came up with. That guy sees his parents getting murdered and wants to avenge them. So far so good. He becomes the Batman and he wants to protect the people. So far so good, but then it starts getting downhill.
He has a bunch of rogues, who are mostly all just ordinary people with guns. They're psychopaths and they get arrested over and over again. He often busts him himself, puts him into Arkham and then they escape, kill 10 people, and if it's the Joker, he kills 100 people, without having a reason. Batman catches him and puts him into Arkham, Joker breaks out and kills 200 people.
Batman has the advantage over the Joker. He could kill him with mere punches, but he never does something like that, because he does not want to become like them. So he captures them, they break out and kill 300 people. People who had families, yet Batman is totally fine with that. He never changes his way. It's like he is into the adventures and likes chasing them, yet he always talks about the mission and abbandons his friends for the sake of the mission, yet he always fails to do the right thing. To kill these psychopaths and save thousands of people in the future.
Additionally to that he really like to train children, who are at the age of 10 more skilled then everyone Gotham City throws at them and that without having super powers. No matter if you shoot with a AK-47 at them, they dodge everything.
Gotham City sucks. Their policemen are are in love with the villains. They would never even think about killing someone like the Joker, who simply stands around, wide open for assassination, yet they don't shoot.
And then we have the big, blue boyscout. A character like the Sentry. Either you like him, or you hate him.
For me Superman is one of the most writer-wanked characters ever created and the Silver Age was the prime-time for that.
No matter what obstacle you throw at him, he is better in everything, and only he. He is a Kryptonian, just like Supergirl, Power Girl and so on, yet he is the only who is immune to simply everything what could become dangerous to him and no matter if he faces god, he has a fair fighting chance.
He is an ode to the superheroes the old geezers of writers grew up with and they would never throw at him some real problems, since he is Superman after all.
He has an arch-enemy and it's Lex Luthor, the guy could heal cancer in a matter of days, but he simply chooses not to, because he hates Superman and wants to take him down and it's not like he is the only shitty, unrealistic villain in DC.
Originally posted by Enzeru
A fairly held back post. No insulting, no lowballing and so on. I like that.You're making one mistake. You're comparing the DC universe way too directly to the Marvel universe.
Everyone who reads comics knows that Marvel is more realistic. What's one of the reasons Marvel has many fans. That includes me.When Sentry was introduced at first, he was over the top. He was meant to be a Silver Age Superman, stalemating Galactus and saving galaxies.
When he was brought into continuity, he was "depowered" for the sake of the stories. There was never ever a retcon of the character, they simply came up with plot devices.Something like that would have happened to every single DC top tier character like Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and so on, in order to keep the things balanced on the Marvel Earth. You know it, since I don't consider you a stupid guy.
If they kept Sentry in the space (which would have been a pity and he would have not become my favorite character), they would have been able to cut loose and write him from the very first beginning as the over the top character he actually really is.
But what's the point in having a character like Sentry who can save the entire world in seconds on the Marvel Earth, which is full of heroes who can't compete at all with him? There is no point, so they came up with the already mentioned devices.But that's not my point:
Even though Sentry had few low showings, which can be tracked back to his mental issues, he had also over the top showings.I have to admit, that I'm by far not an expert when it comes to Eradicator, but I can't remember when he was doing something on Sentry-level molecule manipulation. While that may sound weird now, since he obviously has far more feats in terms of the molecule manipulation, I still don't see them as superior at all.
Most of the stunts Eradicator pulled off in terms of molecule manipulation were party tricks. He turned few objects into something different, but it's not like Sentry never did something like that. I would even go as far to say that the things he has done were more impressive.
He too manipulated pure rock into something different. A golden orb which was protecting and healing Hulk in the fight against Void.Eradicator manipulated Jimmy Olsen and have him stretching abilities, but the Sentry healed illness, or even gave it. He was maybe even helping the Savage Hulk out and made him more reasonable, but that would be more of telepathy feats.
Eradicator created life, Sentry created life, or at least I think he did. That werewolf instance was kinda weird.
I can't remember when Eradicator ever used his molecule manipulation to pull off stunts like a pissed off Sentry who basically ignored the Master of the Molecules, who is by far superior to Eradicator when it comes to molecule manipulation, and Sentry also destroyed that man. He destroyed gods.
Besides that, I never saw Eradicator pulling off energy projection feats which put him far, far, far, far above planeterary busting level.
That's where the people often underestimate the Sentry. The most times where he was busting out energy it were AOE attacks. He was destroying everything around him. I rarely saw him shooting concentrated blasts which would be easier to dodge, but AOE's are a whole another story.Sentry > Thanos, it's that simple. Thanos never faced someone like the Sentry, who has the raw power. He by far has not the finesse of an Eradicator, or a Thanos, but Sentry simply has the raw power.
+ He destroys multiple planets, while holding back.
+ He outbusts a microverse, when he cuts loose.
+ He matter manipulates the crap out of serious opponents.
+ He regenerates from taken damage in seconds.
+ He walkes through even most powerful shields, like they're not there.
+ He returns from the dead, if someone actually manages to kill him off.
+ He is way faster then the speed of light.
+ He stalemates a guy with the powers of 50 mutants, who easily overpowers Binary and he stalemates one of the most powerful Hulk versions, while being in a weak condition, all of that while being in a weak condition.
+ He outmuscles the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.
+ He wipes the minds of everything on the world, which includes humans and animals at will.Thanos is not beating that guy, since I'm still saying that that guy would defeat the Annihilators.
The only threat would be Silver Surfer, but Silver Surfer had to deal with Doctor Doom more then once. He once said that he considers them both equal, yet he lost in most of the encounters.
Silver Surfer also already admitted that Mjolnir has more power then he has and there was also Thor, who was doing just fine even though Silver Surfer was empowered. Thor defeated Silver Surfer also more then once, and Thor stands under Sentry. Not in terms of feats, but in terms of the power level.
And Sentry VS Doom? We all saw what happened there; multiple times.
1. No, he doesn't. At best it's a shared feat and at worst pure hyperbole. The illumination=several planets destroyed is your interpretation of a vogue, open to interpret scene which different people are going to interpret differently. Untill you come with a solid scan of sentry destroying planets, nobody is going to believe your interpretation.
2. C'mon, that's reaching even for you.
3. Like who, molecule man is his outlier feat like thor busting open celestials. It's not his norm no matter how much you want be to it.
4. He walked through doom's shields, doesn't mean he can do the same to thanos. Kitty pryde can walk through magneto's shields, doesn't mean she can do that to anyone.
5. You mean like doomsday or mr. Immortal. They can be defeated.
6. Very good feat but michael was not expierenced and binary is a mid herald. Again just your interpretation, can you post any thing supporting your theory, because characters' power go up and down all the time. Ex: magneto was exhausted using his powers on a predator x just one year ago and currently he is acting as a nervous system for a celestial. No, him having a phobia and standing on his door doesn't make him weaker unless he has a phobia of hulk. He explicitly said that he was cutting loose and he expanded his energies too much and reverted to human form. Sometimes a cigar is just that, a cigar.
8. Namor has done that too.
9. Off panel and not usable in combat scenarios.
Thor is above sentry unless it's voidtry, but here they are separate. Thanos is not going to be beaten by a mid level high herald.
Originally posted by abhilegend
1. No, he doesn't. At best it's a shared feat and at worst pure hyperbole. The illumination=several planets destroyed is your interpretation of a vogue, open to interpret scene which different people are going to interpret differently. Untill you come with a solid scan of sentry destroying planets, nobody is going to believe your interpretation.
This is where you actually lowball a character, since reasoning like your would appear when someone places Sentry on a city-busting level because that was everything he was able to dish out during WW Hulk, where he was clearly suffering because of his agoraphobia. I posted the scans in this thread.
If you're interested, then feel free to actually read it, but I don't expect you to do it. You have your opinion and you think that your opinion is absolute.
Everyone is like that, it's the human nature.
But because of that you ignore the fact, that Sentry was created as a character, whose fragile mind is his only weakness, and if he has doubts, his power level sinks. That happened during WW Hulk.
Originally posted by abhilegend
2. C'mon, that's reaching even for you.
Now you're starting being rude again. I don't like that.
You won't see me appearing out of nowhere and start insulting people for no reason, just because they have an opinion.
And in this case it's not even my own opinion, since we actually see on pannel, that Sentry's energies expand the microverse, since they're visible on the part of Iron Man's armor, where the fight is taking place.
In the scans we see atoms, molecules and so on. Molecules are made of atoms and one atom is like a whole planet in the microverse. Photon and Sentry were shrinked beyond the sub-atomic level. You see their energies escalating and destroying planets, since it's Captain America on the ground who jumps from here to there, because an entire mesa is collapsing under him.
After Photon teleports him away, they both cut loose and you see Sentry's unfathomable energies, which were already mentioned before.
Originally posted by abhilegend
3. Like who, molecule man is his outlier feat like thor busting open celestials. It's not his norm no matter how much you want be to it.
Yes, the Molecule Man feat is one of Sentry's best feats, but it's not the only good feat. He had other great feats. The problem is that the Sentry-haters desperately search for the bad feats and try to put him on that level. The moment where She-Hulk punches Sentry to the ground is so often named, when they try to lowball him and they completely ignore that he BFR'd her before with one throw, took her punches later on, punched her away and BFR'd her once again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
4. He walked through doom's shields, doesn't mean he can do the same to thanos. Kitty pryde can walk through magneto's shields, doesn't mean she can do that to anyone.
That's not the same thing. He didn't become intangible, get past Doom's force fields and then punched him K.O.
Sentry flew towards Doctor Doom, whose shields were at their max capacity, broke through them and tore apart Doom's armor and left him impressed. Doctor Doom's defensive tech was already enough to take blasts from the Infinity Gauntlet and being physically thrown out of a ship by Galactus himself.
Doctor Doom went toe on toe more then once with the Silver Surfer and defeated Silver Surfer more then once, yet he never was able to handle the Sentry and it's not like they only met once.
Originally posted by abhilegend
5. You mean like doomsday or mr. Immortal. They can be defeated.
Not the same thing, since Mr. Immortal lacks the physical stats to actually compare with many other metahumans and if someone kills off Doomsday, then he stays dead for a while, where Sentry returns to the scene of the battle seconds later.
But as I mentioned it, you actually have to kill him for that, which is in the end not that of an easy task, if you keep in mind that he has an insane durability, invulnerability and even regeneration, which is powerful enough to let him heal from a skeleton in seconds.
Originally posted by abhilegend
6. Very good feat but michael was not expierenced and binary is a mid herald. Again just your interpretation, can you post any thing supporting your theory, because characters' power go up and down all the time.
Yes, Michael was indeed inexperienced and that was one of the reasons why Sentry lasted that long in the first place. At the beginning he was doing just fine, until he got BFR'd, but he returned shortly after and continued fighting, where Michael started gaining the upper hand, but even that slightly.
And again, it's not my interpretation. I am NOT saying that every weird showing Sentry had, happened because of his mental instability, but there are moments, where you actually see something like that being explained. The Collective arc was one of these instances and I think I also posted the scans in this thread. If I haven't, I can gladly do it.
Sentry was lying in his bed, ignoring the fact that the Collective killed Alpha Flight, easily overpowered Binary, who may be a mid-herald, yet she is a planet buster at her best and he was toying around with the entire Avengers.
Captain America called Robert and told him that he needs him. That he needs the Sentry, yet Robert was not able to leave and started talking about the Void. Captain America yelled at him and shortly after Sentry entered the battle.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, him having a phobia and standing on his door doesn't make him weaker unless he has a phobia of hulk. He explicitly said that he was cutting loose and he expanded his energies too much and reverted to human form. Sometimes a cigar is just that, a cigar.
That too is not quite correct. It was Jenkins, the creator of the character who said that Sentry's power level scales with his mental stability. If he is sane, then he has the potential for limitless power, strenght and speed. If he has problems, then his level sinks and he gets easier to defeat. It's in this thread, look for it.
If Sentry has a clear mind, then he can do what he wants. It looked like he had a clear mind, when he was facing Photon and you saw what was happening. It's just that you don't want to admit it, even though the narration tells you everything and there are even pictures where you can see it happening.
If Sentry is unstable, like in the fight against WW Hulk, where he ins unable to leave his house, because of his agoraphobia, then his power level is low. You can overcome a phobia, but is it totally gone then? No, you overcome it, because there are more important things to do so and saving the world was more important during that arc for him.
But his power level was still low. He was going all out, no one doubts that, but with his power level low, it was only enough to destroy few city blocks, maybe slightly more, but even that is terrible, if you think about the people who lost their homes, all because of the Sentry, who was unstable and couldn't control his powers.
Originally posted by abhilegend
8. Namor has done that too.
Were these not simple by Dr. Strange created bands and not the original Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, which already restrained more powerful people then Namor. But in the end Namor also faced Sentry? What happened? He didn't even manage to land one hit.
Originally posted by abhilegend
9. Off panel and not usable in combat scenarios.
The mind wiping happened on pannel.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor is above sentry unless it's voidtry, but here they are separate. Thanos is not going to be beaten by a mid level high herald.
At first, you already lose every single bit credibility you ever had by calling Sentry a mid level high herald, even though you would consider Silver Surfer as a high herald, even though he was doing far worst against many of the opponents Sentry faced and stomped.
Besides that Sentry stands above Thor. Sentry was written to be the more powerful character, when he was created and later on when he faced opponents, who were very often more then a match for Thor.
I can't remember Thor ever defeating Molecule Man as easily as Sentry did it, but I can remember Thor having some major problems with weaker versions of the Hulk in the past, while it was an unstable Sentry who stalemated WW Hulk.
No matter if you personally refuse to accept that the entire Sentry character had the problems with the mental stability and that that was the way for the writers to keep him balanced.
