Originally posted by Enzeru
This is where you actually lowball a character, since reasoning like your would appear when someone places Sentry on a city-busting level because that was everything he was able to dish out during WW Hulk, where he was clearly suffering because of his agoraphobia. I posted the scans in this thread.If you're interested, then feel free to actually read it, but I don't expect you to do it. You have your opinion and you think that your opinion is absolute.
Everyone is like that, it's the human nature.But because of that you ignore the fact, that Sentry was created as a character, whose fragile mind is his only weakness, and if he has doubts, his power level sinks. That happened during WW Hulk.
Now you're starting being rude again. I don't like that.
insulting people for no reason, just because they have an opinion.
You won't see me appearing out of nowhere and [b]startAnd in this case it's not even my own opinion, since we actually see on pannel, that Sentry's energies expand the microverse, since they're visible on the part of Iron Man's armor, where the fight is taking place.
In the scans we see atoms, molecules and so on. Molecules are made of atoms and one atom is like a whole planet in the microverse. Photon and Sentry were shrinked beyond the sub-atomic level. You see their energies escalating and destroying planets, since it's Captain America on the ground who jumps from here to there, because an entire mesa is collapsing under him.
After Photon teleports him away, they both cut loose and you see Sentry's unfathomable energies, which were already mentioned before.
Yes, the Molecule Man feat is one of Sentry's best feats, but it's not the only good feat. He had other great feats. The problem is that the Sentry-haters desperately search for the bad feats and try to put him on that level. The moment where She-Hulk punches Sentry to the ground is so often named, when they try to lowball him and they completely ignore that he BFR'd her before with one throw, took her punches later on, punched her away and BFR'd her once again.
That's not the same thing. He didn't become intangible, get past Doom's force fields and then punched him K.O.
Sentry flew towards Doctor Doom, whose shields were at their max capacity, broke through them and tore apart Doom's armor and left him impressed. Doctor Doom's defensive tech was already enough to take blasts from the Infinity Gauntlet and being physically thrown out of a ship by Galactus himself.
Doctor Doom went toe on toe more then once with the Silver Surfer and defeated Silver Surfer more then once, yet he never was able to handle the Sentry and it's not like they only met once.Not the same thing, since Mr. Immortal lacks the physical stats to actually compare with many other metahumans and if someone kills off Doomsday, then he stays dead for a while, where Sentry returns to the scene of the battle seconds later.
But as I mentioned it, you actually have to kill him for that, which is in the end not that of an easy task, if you keep in mind that he has an insane durability, invulnerability and even regeneration, which is powerful enough to let him heal from a skeleton in seconds.
Yes, Michael was indeed inexperienced and that was one of the reasons why Sentry lasted that long in the first place. At the beginning he was doing just fine, until he got BFR'd, but he returned shortly after and continued fighting, where Michael started gaining the upper hand, but even that slightly.
And again, it's not my interpretation. I am NOT saying that every weird showing Sentry had, happened because of his mental instability, but there are moments, where you actually see something like that being explained. The Collective arc was one of these instances and I think I also posted the scans in this thread. If I haven't, I can gladly do it.
Sentry was lying in his bed, ignoring the fact that the Collective killed Alpha Flight, easily overpowered Binary, who may be a mid-herald, yet she is a planet buster at her best and he was toying around with the entire Avengers.
Captain America called Robert and told him that he needs him. That he needs the Sentry, yet Robert was not able to leave and started talking about the Void. Captain America yelled at him and shortly after Sentry entered the battle.
That too is not quite correct. It was Jenkins, the creator of the character who said that Sentry's power level scales with his mental stability. If he is sane, then he has the potential for limitless power, strenght and speed. If he has problems, then his level sinks and he gets easier to defeat. It's in this thread, look for it.
If Sentry has a clear mind, then he can do what he wants. It looked like he had a clear mind, when he was facing Photon and you saw what was happening. It's just that you don't want to admit it, even though the narration tells you everything and there are even pictures where you can see it happening.
If Sentry is unstable, like in the fight against WW Hulk, where he ins unable to leave his house, because of his agoraphobia, then his power level is low. You can overcome a phobia, but is it totally gone then? No, you overcome it, because there are more important things to do so and saving the world was more important during that arc for him.
But his power level was still low. He was going all out, no one doubts that, but with his power level low, it was only enough to destroy few city blocks, maybe slightly more, but even that is terrible, if you think about the people who lost their homes, all because of the Sentry, who was unstable and couldn't control his powers.Were these not simple by Dr. Strange created bands and not the original Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, which already restrained more powerful people then Namor. But in the end Namor also faced Sentry? What happened? He didn't even manage to land one hit.
The mind wiping happened on pannel.
At first, you already lose every single bit credibility you ever had by calling Sentry a mid level high herald, even though you would consider Silver Surfer as a high herald, even though he was doing far worst against many of the opponents Sentry faced and stomped.
Besides that Sentry stands above Thor. Sentry was written to be the more powerful character, when he was created and later on when he faced opponents, who were very often more then a match for Thor.I can't remember Thor ever defeating Molecule Man as easily as Sentry did it, but I can remember Thor having some major problems with weaker versions of the Hulk in the past, while it was an unstable Sentry who stalemated WW Hulk.
No matter if you personally refuse to accept that the entire Sentry character had the problems with the mental stability and that that was the way for the writers to keep him balanced. [/B]
2. I'm not being rude. It's just laughable that you conclude that illumination=microverse busting. There is no proof whatsoever of that. Even IF sentry had power of one million suns, it's not enough to bust a galaxy much less a universe. Their energies could bust planets but cap was unharmed!
3. Give me the scans of these great feats not your commentry on them. I don't trust you. Nobody here is a sentry hater, at least I'm not.
5. The difference is that doom faces surfer with prep and often surprise. You are just lowballing surfer here. Without prep doom's armor has been broken before. You are using highest end showings to make something more than it is. Namor has broken magneto's shields who has taken shots from galactus and phoenix.
6. Surfer and superman have been cut into pieces and survived, does that mean they can't be koed? Hank henshaw is essentialy immortal, he can't be defeated, right?
7. I already said that it's a very good feat. What does all that mean? In new avengers he always talked about void. Creator's words are not law unless on-panel. If you can post any on panel proof from paul jenkins that suggests his power goes down when he is under confidence. Heck, even an interview would suffice.
8. I would find a scan for it. We read different Invaders then.
9. It was by device IIRC, I may be wrong.
10. Again creator's work is not absolute. Ex: Mr. Majestic was created to be a direct analogue of PC superman. He even moved planets in his first series. He never got to that level after that. Does that mean that every appearance of majestic is invalid? He doesn't even have sentry's weaksauce excuse for low showings.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Any confidence issue was non-existant untill mastermind messed with his head. I never recall him having an official weakness like gladiator. If you post anything about that, it would help.
Sentry's power level scales with his mental stability. It's that simple. It's the concept of the character and he was already in treatment. He had a doctor during the second mini and Lindy also said that he was going to one during his first mini.
Originally posted by abhilegend
2. I'm not being rude. It's just laughable that you conclude that illumination=microverse busting. There is no proof whatsoever of that. Even IF sentry had power of one million suns, it's not enough to bust a galaxy much less a universe. Their energies could bust planets but cap was unharmed!
Sentry has the power of one million exploding suns and that was shown in his "fight" with the Absorbing Man.
He was making fun of Creel, telling him that he wouldn't even absorb the energy of one planet and that he would now have to deal with the power of one million exploding suns.
Energy and power are two different things. Having the power of one million exploding suns is indeed hyperbole, because they mostly have his molecular manipulation in mind.
But he also proved that he has vast energy in his fight during Photon. Let me post the scans of both scenarios. Read through it, look at the scans, at everything what is said and drawn and then decide for yourself.
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Captain America was there, when they appeared in the microverse and he would have died, if they didn't hold back.
They did and they still were shredding the entire planet as you can see it. After Photon teleported Cap away, they cut loose and in the next scans you see Sentry's energy expanding and being visible in the real world.
Now I don't plan to link you again to the various sites which tell you what a microverse is.
Originally posted by abhilegend
3. Give me the scans of these great feats not your commentry on them. I don't trust you. Nobody here is a sentry hater, at least I'm not.
Sentry has an awesome respect thread on KMC o_O
Simply check it out, but you already said that you know about every single of Sentry's appearances, which is nice, but at the same time you have to understand it.
What particular feats do you want to see? He had them.
He did defeat the Molecule Man and returned from the dead in the process, or simply healed back at a ridiculous rate, who knows.
He stalemated the Collective and the WW Hulk, he speedblitzed and bullrushed sooo many characters it's not even funny anymore.
He has shown regeneration beyond that of characters like Wolverine, since he healed back from a skeleton in a matter of seconds, while he was still being in the sun.
He either matter manipulated or overloaded the Absorbing Man into oblivion who faced Thor more then once and did just fine more then once. He flew with the speed of light around, contained a Cosmic Cube, went through Richards' stasis fields, broke through Dooms force fields, which protected him from blasts of the Infinity Gauntlet, he defeated the Void multiple times in physical combat, mind-raped, mind-wiped...
It's all in the respect thread.
Originally posted by abhilegend
5. The difference is that doom faces surfer with prep and often surprise. You are just lowballing surfer here. Without prep doom's armor has been broken before. You are using highest end showings to make something more than it is. Namor has broken magneto's shields who has taken shots from galactus and phoenix.
I am not downgrading Silver Surfer.
I simply have the opinion, that Sentry is overall the more powerful character, when it comes to terms of raw power.
It's not like Doom always faced Silver Surfer while being prepared. The occasions where Doom had prep were mostly these, where he stole Silver Surfer's power, but going toe on toe with him and stalemating Silver Surfer? That's a whole another story, which happened.
Silver Surfer had also a worse record when it came to Doctor Strange, who was basically chanceless against Sentry and the only, only, only instance where Dr. Strange managed to do something to Sentry was where he was casting an illusion of the Void and had enough time to escape. Otherwise he knows that Sentry was always too powerful for magic. That are Dr. Strange's words.
Originally posted by abhilegend
6. Surfer and superman have been cut into pieces and survived, does that mean they can't be koed? Hank henshaw is essentialy immortal, he can't be defeated, right?
I never said that the Sentry can't be K.O.'ed or defeated. I simply said, that in a well written fight, Thanos would not win, because he would lack the speed to compete with Sentry. He also lacks the strenght to compete with the Sentry and he even lacks the energy projection.
Either way who you see the Photon / Sentry battle, you can say that Sentry was either manipulating and absorbing Photon's energies, which is a huge feat, since Photon too was destroying worlds while holding back, or you say that Sentry was taking Photon's attacks, which is a great feat too, since that speaks books for his durability, if he is able to take planetary level attacks, without bothering all too much about it.
And all that while he seems to be clear minded and has the ability to cut loose for the first time, while being in a microverse, since before he was always Earth bound and therefore had to restrain himself.
It was stated ... yes I know, stated more then once, that he would be able to destroy the planet.
Originally posted by abhilegend
7. I already said that it's a very good feat. What does all that mean? In new avengers he always talked about void. Creator's words are not law unless on-panel. If you can post any on panel proof from paul jenkins that suggests his power goes down when he is under confidence. Heck, even an interview would suffice.
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/1014/unbenannt1np.jpg
^ In this one, it's explained that his power level scales with his mental stability ... It's from Jenkins, the creator ...
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^ Sentry admits that the agoraphobia is bothering him and he is unable to leave his house for days, while Hulk is on a rampage ...
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^ Later on he faces the Hulk, but loses the control over his powers and starts destroying the entire city. There is no point in that for him, but he is so unstable, that he can't control his powers and since his power level scales with his mental stability in this particular instance, he is not dishing out more damage ...
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8394/newthunderbolts014page1.jpg
^ In this battle there was no hint out about his mental stability and he was destroying planets while holding back and before nothing says that he has any mental issues ...
Originally posted by abhilegend
9. It was by device IIRC, I may be wrong.
Indeed you are.
Sentry did it multiple times. Few times before his first mini, since that was where he appeared again and it was stated that he used to mind-wipe them all. That was once again done during the first mini and now raed carefully, since the Sentry expert nummero uno is telling you what happened exactly:
When Sentry mind-wiped everyone during his first mini, he indeed had help from Reed Richards and Dr. Strange, but ...
They were there to support the mind-wiping, to make it more powerful. Dr. Strange for example already mind-wiped people for Peter Parker, so that they would forget that he is Spider-Man and his spell was also forbidding that they could realize that he is Spider-Man, unless Peter would tell them all that he is Spider-Man.
Recently during Spider-Island Peter told everyone indirectly that he is Spider-Man, because he tried to motivate them, told them that he would have spider powers and from that point on they were able to accept that he is Spider-Man and his girlfriend found it out.
The same happened for the Sentry. Strange forced them to ignore every single hints which could lead them to Sentry. So they were ignoring it, but when Sentry started remembering again, since he has such a powerful mind, he walked around and told everyone that he was a superhero once, the Sentry and they started remembering again. Peter could see the shot of Sentry on a picture he once made, he saw Sentry-posters all over the place and so on.
When Sentry mind-wiped all of the people, it was because Mastermind manipulated him into. Mastermind said that Sentry would do it under his own power and that's what happened in the end. You could see Sentry's vision starting to get blurry, since he started forgetting Mastermind and his old enemy the General and then it was over.
You saw that on pannel. You saw Mastermind and the General talking and you saw Mastermind letting Sentry mind-wipe everyone including himself and giving him stronger mental issues.
Sentry did it, but he did not have Dr. Strange's power. He was not able to force everyone ignoring hints and additionally to that before the mindwiping started, he inserted his memories into the mind of a comic book writer, who then was writing Sentry adventures.
The heroes were reading the Sentry comics and tried to find him. They were not ignoring the comics in order to keep forgetting it, they simply saw them and read them.
It's all there, you just have to see it. If you doubt anything, then ask me for the scans, and I can provide them.
Originally posted by abhilegend
10. Again creator's work is not absolute. Ex: Mr. Majestic was created to be a direct analogue of PC superman. He even moved planets in his first series. He never got to that level after that. Does that mean that every appearance of majestic is invalid? He doesn't even have sentry's weaksauce excuse for low showings.
Yes, Mr. Majestic was in his prime during his first solo series, but now where he isn't does that make his past feats invalid? Especially if a character never had a retcon?
Sentry never had a retcon. He was always over the top, just stuggeled with issues and was therefore weak from time to time, but it's wrong to put him into the instability-box, simply because he had bad showings because of his mental instability. He is not unstable all the time.
He had good showings and what's the point in using a character from a period where he had few problems?
If the OP would have adressed that he is using an unstable Sentry and took out the Void, then I would be fine with that. I would never use his better feats, or feats with the Void, since it would not be allowed for this particular fight.
Fact is, that Sentry was stable from time to time and he was so powerful there, that Void was not able to take over, as you could see it in his first two solo's, where Void was a separate entity.
Especially in his second solo series, where he started struggeling, but he was still doing just fine, because Void never took over and his second mini happened after Bendis brought him into continuity and let him meet Emma Frost.
Later on Bendis changed the character and gave him even more mental issues, but with these mental issues the Void had an easier game and he simply took over. There were rarely instances when Sentry was clear minded and Void was a separate entity, but these instances were there too.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You better prepare yourself for 10 paragraphs of irrelevant information.
Look who's talking. The guy who wasted 30 years of his existence with sitting on the toilet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYW6C44zo24 << Quanchi
And it still remains, Sentry wins.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
HOW DOES SENTRY WIN.... I'm still waiting to hear how he gets the job done Enzeru
This entire thread has over 7 pages and they're full with informations and statements. Few of them are horrible like these from Quanchi who has the IQ of a newborn child, even though I'm not sure if I'm insulting all the babies on the world right now.
But you seem to be at least as stupid, because you basically enter this thread, don't bother at all to read through even the first 2 pages which provide more then enough for you to deal with and your first action is not to say something, but to ask for how the Sentry wins.
And then you take it even one step further and you ask ME ... YOU ASK ME ... How the Sentry wins?
Are you freakin' kidding me? What the hell is wrong with you? This thread is full of my statements why Thanos fails in this fight.
Seriously, KMC is full of idiots. No offense to the people who seem to know how to tie up their shoes, without needing the help of their mother.
Originally posted by EnzeruLets go over some quick points...
This entire thread has over 7 pages and they're full with informations and statements. Few of them are horrible like these from Quanchi who has the IQ of a newborn child, even though I'm not sure if I'm insulting all the babies on the world right now.But you seem to be at least as stupid, because you basically enter this thread, don't bother at all to read through even the first 2 pages which provide more then enough for you to deal with and your first action is not to say something, but to ask for how the Sentry wins.
And then you take it even one step further and you ask ME ... YOU ASK ME ... How the Sentry wins?
Are you freakin' kidding me? What the hell is wrong with you? This thread is full of my statements why Thanos fails in this fight.Seriously, KMC is full of idiots. No offense to the people who seem to know how to tie up their shoes, without needing the help of their mother.
1. I started to read the thread but was mostly bombarded with nuh uh's, statements that lack context or relevance, and falacy after fallacy... i.e. i stopped reading
2. You got into a debate with anybody not backing for the win or dont have the same affinity for sentry's jewels. So that being said, it should be clear, even for a simpleton like youself, why I named you specifically.
3. I didn't see much from you, that i did read, that makes me believe Sentry wins. Thus, I thought if I had to be concise in your theories on how and why... it would be easier.
Now, which specific showings or feats give you the idea that he can compete with Thanos, let alone beat him?
