Originally posted by abhilegend
^ I love it when someone tries to play DC or marvel card. You might be surprised to know but common sense is universal. Marvel's multiverse was based upon DC multiverse before COIE and even the basic knowledge of how parallel dimensions works can tell you that distance between universes is meaningless. We saw what happens when sentry let loose in wwh, a few buildings were destroyed and your conspiracy theory starts with Greg pak depowering sentry. Once again who is Rajesh? Mind your own damn business, kmc is not your property.
^ I hate it when someone enters a battle-thread and talks about non related crap. Do you see anyone comparing the Marvel characters to any DC characters? I don't.
Microverses are Marvel's thingy to play with and you tried to talk about other instances, which were still not related at all to the entire debate. The people who are actually reading the posts in this thread already have enough to read, so they can probably skip your DC non-sense to prove a point, which doesn't matter at all, since Marvel's microverse is not DC's multiverse and Sentry and Thanos are not Eredicator and Orion.
We also saw what happened before Sentry entered the battle. He was standing for nearly two days in the front of his door, unable to leave the house. With his mental issues that high, he is weaker and then we saw what happened when he lost the control over these powers (one more proof for him being unstable and causing damage in billions, destroying the homes of ordinary, hard working people).
It's not a conspiracy, it's a well known fact to everyone who uses his brain to think and not to memorize all the various porn sites.
Sentry is a character with a phobia. A phobia which can change his life in the negative way, if it overwhelms him and if something like that happens, he isn't as effective as he could be. But when he has a clear mind, he is godlike.
Originally posted by abhilegend
^You are simply deluding yourself if you think that laughable speed feat is even remotely close to flash level. Well I've no reason to continue this conversation, good luck with quan.
I never said that Sentry comes close to Flash's speed. If he would, then I would vomit like a champion.
I have no intention in making him so overpowered like many of the DC characters, without having an actual explanation / reason behind it.
The speed-force which ignores the laws of physic and lets Flash save 500.000 people in 0.0000001 seconds is one of the most pathetic ideas DC ever came up with and it's not like it's the only ridiculous idea.
Fact is, that Sentry is fast enough. He does not have to be able to travel from the Earth until the end of the multiverse in 1337 seconds.
That would be non-sense, but besides that, he can teleport, so who cares, lol!
Sentry is fast enough. Fast enough to travel all around the globe in a matter of seconds without even trying it. Then he saves people, or he repairs stuff at a high speed. The thing is that these actions can also be brought in into a fight and Thanos never, ever shown that he has the speed to compete with something like that.
As I already adressed it more then often, even Captain Marvel was able to vastly outspeed Thanos. Thanos has also been tagged by regular brawlers on a regular basis.
He is not fast, he will probably never be and he would take so much damage before he could start to attack.
And yeah, it would be the best thing if you simply go away and don't try to continue to debate, since you're clueless.
I don't think that KMC belongs to me, why should I? I simply don't like to bother with people who are biased, but in the end they're simply clueless and can't debate propperly.
... I AM LOOKING AT YOU, NIHILIST AND QUANCHI!
Besides that, Nihilist was already talking about a bet, where the loser would have to leave KMC once and for all, if he loses the debate and right now I have yet to see Nihilist bringing in valid arguments and debate for Thanos.
But, that's pretty much a Mission: Impossible. Not even Tom Cruise would be able to do that, since Thanos has nothing besides his current AOD upgrade to compete with the Sentry, who is stronger, faster, has a higher energy output, ignores force fields, teleports around, has a better molecule manipulation and also has the Void if someone tries to mess with his mind.
a) Sentry wins.
b) 10... 9... 8... 7... 6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... Sentry wins...
c) a)
d) Houston, we have a winner! It's Sentry. He wins.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Check out best sentry combat speed feat on-panel (not in enzeru's dreams) as admitted by The golden guardian of truth himself, guys.http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3852/hulk9006.jpg
Ya ain't seen nothin' like it!
Sorry for triple post. I am on my phone right now.
You guys think thats faster than flying half way across the world, taking care of a crisis, and coming back before Lindy could take a pee? Just wondering.
Originally posted by EnzeruThor tanked the hit and Thor got in the next attack not the Sentry. Kinda destroys your speedblitz argument not that anyone ever took it seriously in the first place. Ares also stuck an axe into his side and attacked him more than once. The difference is Ares and balder are jokes compared to elite top tiers let alone Thanos. Be serious.
Thor didn't do crap. Thor got speedblitzed in the mid-air and was not able to react. That happened to Balder and Ares too.
Thor was just lucky that he could BFR Sentry with a Mjolnir smack. After Sentry returned Thor was doomed.
Taking out Ares and Loki is a far cry from the Silver Surfer let alone Thanos. You need to prove the Void can take out someone above top tier with relative ease because he's failed to do so against Captain America. Iron Man took him on and defeated him by himself before as well as the Sentry. I mean do you expect anyone to ignore the Iron Man, Human Torch, Hercules, and Siege showings just because you claim he was weakened and begin making more excuses than The Ramsey parents.
All off these characters were few of Marvel's top dogs, yet Sentry took them all an and always had the advantage, even when he was in a weak mental state and therefore weaker then usually.[/B]
I just gave two examples of characters he did have the skill, intelligence, and competence to put it into practice. Another this doesn't count moment. Nothing counts against the Sentry and Thanos' wins don't count. This is getting rather ridiculous on your part I expected a little more. Sentry used his speed against Hercules and Thor it didn't matter. Herc continually outmaneuvered him. Thanos hit Marvel yes. Thanos also doesn't always fight to the best of his abilities with shields yet he still hit his opponent. It works both ways. 🙂 We've already seen the Sentry not ever speedblitz an opponent anyone near Thanos' level and someone far below it in Thor reacted and landed the next attack. 🙂
Thanos does not have the skill, nor the power set to deal with uber-fast characters. When Silver Surfer doesn't use his speed in a fight, then it's PIS, to give the opponent a fighting chance. When Sentry doesn't use his speed in combat, then it's also for the opponent to have a fighting chance.Thanos' fight against Captain Marvel was written propperly, where Captain Marvel was attacking him, while Thanos was not able to react. It was Captain Marvel who made the mistake to fly to low and to slow and THEN Thanos was able to grab him. Yeah, very skilly Thanos.[/B]
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Rajesh Koothrappali
probably simply an insult cause you're from india
Exactly, but not because he is from India, but because he behaves like a nerd-fool who likes to offend people in the internet because he feels way too safe behind his monitor, yet when it probably comes to pulling off something in real-life, he whispers it into the ears of his so called "friends".
At least that's my personal impression I have after watching him insulting me without a reason in previous threads.
I don't like it when someone tries to insult me in the internet, while I'm actually nearly always friendly.
Thanos would teleport and win a race as well. [🙂] He's smarter than the Sentry. Sentry moved at high speeds against Thor and WW Hulk. As the Sentry he didn't win either fight. Bring me something impressive not more excuses about why he couldn't best weaker foes than Thanos. Get serious.
Never said it would be a race, but yeah - In that department Sentry would win too, of course.
Besides that, Sentry does not only have fast traveling speed. He can move at high speeds, where Thanos can't hold up anymore and in forum fights, we use the characters to their full extent and skip PIS, so Sentry wouldn't simply try to brawl it out with Thanos (and he would win even in that deparment), but he would use his speed and profit from it, since it would give him the ability to dodge Thanos' attacks and it would grant Sentry's attacks even more impact. With speed comes the impact and with impact comes the damage.[/B]
Thanos isn't just smart he's powerful. Thanos beats the snot out of guys that have killed the Sentry(with his permission). Thor--with the power gem even. A much more powerful dangerous Thor who didn't even want to kill the Void until he forced his hand into being that violent. Yes, the Sentry is the guy by character who has mental problems plaguing him. It's how he's always been portrayed you somehow think we ignore that. Do research on him.
And yes, Thanos is smarter then the Sentry. Bill Gates is also smarter than me, but I would be able to punch him in the face, because I'm young, fast and strong and he is just an old geezer.Do you know who the Sentry is? OH, WHO AM I ASKING? WHO AM I ASKING? Of course you don't know it and you're proving it over and over again.[/B]
Bob asked them to kill him because he couldn't even control himself or his actions. That isn't noble that's pathetic.
Sentry asked the Avengers to kill him, while he was restraining the Void. He asked it to save the mankind. That is actually very noble, my friend. Would you give up the power of God to save everyone? Guess not.Thanos never faced someone as fast, as strong, as versatile and as powerful as the Sentry. Well of course, Thanos faced Galactus, but he lost that battle.[/B]
Thanos has faced far superior characters than the Sentry who has been bested by the Human Torch and burned out against WW Hulk. Get real.
Sentry isn't above the Silver Surfer. The Void is but you stated the Sentry. The Sentry has been bested by far less than the Surfer. Torch. Iron Man. Doom reached new heights of power with the Surfer's power and who cares about Doom the Surfer isn't going down to the Human Torch. Torch is gonna burn ya.
Do you place Sentry on the same level as Silver Surfer or what? Is that your reasoning for his ultimate defeat? Sentry is above Silver Surfer, face it, even though Silver Surfer has more feats.
It does not matter, because Sentry was the more powerful character, when it came to terms of raw power. Silver Surfer NEVER overpowered Doctor Doom, while Sentry did it 4 times, without even flinching.Sentry never burned himself out in the fight with WW Hulk, but I already adressed that point and I won't do it again, because it seems to be too complicated for you. I don't have the wish to confuse you any further.[/B]
Yes, the Sentry did burn himself out and reverted back into his human persona. It hurts so good does it not ?
The Void screamed kill me and Thor did so thus proving he can die. Guilt and a weak mental state is why he'd want to die. Why ask me why he'd want to die because it already happened on panel I don't make things up I argue based on what has already occurred. You argue on hypotheticals and baseless claims.
What was stated on panel, was that Sentry can't die, if he doesn't wish to. Why should he wish to die in the fight with Thanos?
Sentry had the wish to die, when it came to saving the entire world. Once again, that is noble and not a sign of weakness.And that's also the reason why the Void constantly lost to Sentry, right?
Did you actually read the Sentry comics in the past? Sentry defeated the Void nearly every single time, when he was mentally stable.[/B]
That's a sign of not even having control over yourself it isn't noble it's sad. Yes, Sentry can defeat the evil side of himself but that doesn't mean Sentry is better against other threats outside himself. He is weighed down by guilt the Void isn't. You should already know this by now.
Yes, Void's first showing was impressive but we've seen him in siege as well. Guilt weighs him down and in both stories he went away before killing any major elite top tier hero. This actually backs Thanos winning a war of attrition. Thanks.
Sentry was so powerful there, that Void had to manifest himself as a separate entity. Void had his awesome power level, since he was tossing around characters like Savage Hulk, classic Thor and hell even classic Strange, since it was portrayed in the first Sentry mini, that Reed Richards didn't exactly know Dr. Strange (classic times) and then they searched together a way to get rid of the Void, while it was Sentry who was stalemating or defeating him. [/B]
Yes, Thanos toyed with his foes. He was putting on a show for his lady not trying to oneshot everyone in his path. Torch defeated the Sentry. Everytime you want to harp on Doom I will bring up someone weaker defeating the Sentry. [🙂]
Wow, great. Thanos also had the Infinity Gauntlet when he hit Doctor Doom with his wrath, yet Doctor Doom stood up, because his tech protected him.
Doctor Doom's tech couldn't protect him when he faced Sentry and it's not like it happened only once.Sentry > Thor, that should be obvious. [/B]
Sentry is barely better than him but Thor is powerful enough to affect him. On panel it was a back and forth type thing.
Thanos used them to fake his own death. Try understanding his intentions I mean She Hulk punched the Sentry down on her own. Sentry wasn't trying to prove a point there either. Thanos brought down a universe in Thanos Imperative. [🙂]
No, Thanos get's beaten up by Professor Hulk and Drax, as well Thor and Thing, while Sentry doesn't even flinch, when they attack him.Thanos brings universes down, when he wields the power of the Infinity Gauntlet. Are you now giving Thanos the Infinity Gauntlet to have a fighting chance in this battle?
Void destroyed Asgard by simply flying through it. Do you honestly think that Thanos can do something like that?
Void was also one-shotting everyone around him, without taking them seriously. He was one-shotting gods. Wake me up on the day where Thanos could actually do something like that to Loki.[/B]
Thanos brings down planets not something hovering over Oklahoma. That isn't in Thanos' class of feats.
Void didn't oneshot Thor. [🙂] He didn't even oneshot Captain America. Void didn't even oneshot Ares. He oneshotted Loki big whoop.
They didn't depower him he went all out. It wasn't enough. You speculate he was depowered without any proof. That's why you are a baseless poster. You can't prove anything. You never do. You just blow smoke I breathe Fire.
For the fifth time... They had to depower the Sentry for the WW Hulk #5 fight. Sentry only brawled it out and didn't bother to use the variety of his other powers to take the Hulk down. If I was Sentry during that fight, WW Hulk would have been history after 10 seconds.
WW Hulk #5 is actually a damn low showing for Sentry, since he was able to dish far more devastating damage in the past and after the WW Hulk fight. The only reason he was struggeling there was because of his illness. Don't you understand that his power level scales with his mental stability?[/B]
Sentry's powers can be limited by his mind his major weakness. That wasn't the case against WW Hulk.
Sentry's powers are only limited by his mind. Yes, it is the most dangerous thing we possess and the Sentry is the perfect example for it.No one can mess with Void's mind. Emma Frost tried it and had to spend the next days in her crystal form to avoid a complete takeover by the Void.
Strange and Xavier were afraid of the Void. When Noh-Varr entered Sentry's mind, he had to instantly leave again, because of the Void.
If Thanos even tries to mess with Sentry's mind, then he is history, because he releases the Void and then it's the same story over again and he gets humiliated.Void can attack with powerful empathy. That empathy was enough to overpower Savage Hulk, who should be immune to something like that, because of his brute nature. The Void confronted him with all the miserable stuff in his life and Hulk suffered a mental breakdown.
What makes you think that Thanos would be able to overcome something like that, if the Void shows him Death spending some high quality time with Deadpool? Thanos would start crying and run away. [/B]
Iron Man messed with his mind and so did the Skrulls. Many can mess with his mind including Norman Osborne. I don't mean mind raping I mean simply by talking to him. 🙂 Thanos is very cunning it's one of his greatest strengths.
Void can beat savage hulk but then again so can Thanos. WW Hulk can burn out the Sentry not Thanos.
Because Thanos is death's avatar. He has killed immortal beings while the Void hasn't. 🙂
Originally posted by EnzeruExcept the Sentry overcame that phobia when he left his house. He pouted out all his frustration and power into the Hulk and finally released it all. The Sentry can't easily shrug off the WW Hulk's best sorry they fought already and you can't excuse the showing simply because you're upset. Thanos would own both the WW Hulk and the Sentry. [🙂]
Ah, I think now you're starting to understand.
Do you know what fear is like? Do you know how the first day on a new school was always like? You were excited, yet a little bit afraid! Take that and multiply it with 100 and then you have how a phobia feels like.Your body feels weak, your mental state is all messy. Sentry has a phobia too and it was intense during the WW Hulk arc. It should be obvious that he is not in his prime during that time.
When he is in his prime, he takes Hulk's best shots without even flinching.
And while a mental instability is a part of the character, we should still not concentrate all too much onto it, because that's what you're now doing. You're taking Sentry's fight with WW Hulk, where Sentry was mentally unstable and that's the way you judge the character.
You ignore the fact that there were times before and after, where he was clear minded and where he was owning everything.He would also own Thanos.
I also know Sentry beat the Blue Marvel in his own book so I cited the same crappy reason you said the hero had to win and proved you wrong. That's called debating. What you do is called making excuses. [🙂]
You do know that it was WW Hulk's book right? And that he was supposed to win in that fight, right?
They had to place the story correctly, so that he would be able to own everyone. Hell he even defeated Zom Strange by brawling it out, even though Strange would have been able to solo Hulk, especially if powered by Zom. Pak knew it and he had to find a different way to get past it.
The same happened during Hulk's fight with the X-Men. Come on, Darwin teleporting away? -__-[/B]
Oak didn't depower the Sentry he had him unleash all his power into the WW Hulk. I will find that interview if it's still online and for your sake I'd pray Quan doesn't find it because Pak will back my reasoning not yours and then you will have no choice but to concede. He was mentally unstable but he went all out against WW Hulk and had to be stopped. Bruce stopped him. End of story.
The same thing happened with the Hulk VS Sentry fight. Pak depowered the Sentry for this particular fight, so that the Hulk would be able to take him on.
He also made the Sentry brawl it out and release energy / losing the control over it. Sentry is a hero ... why should go out without a reason and start destroying the city, taking the home of all the people? It's because he was mentally unstable and if that's the case he does not have that much power under his dissposal. [/B]
Professor Hulk did punch him but then again She Hulk punched Sentry to the ground. Iron Man defeated him as did the Human Torch. Thor destroyed his entire body with one attack. Yeah, Thanos stomps.
Professor Hulk was able to punch Thanos around :-X Something like that would never happen to the Sentry, who was not flinching when Savage Hulk threw the train onto him. Then Sentry used his powers to calm the Hulk down.You're taking the words out of my mouth. [/B]
Originally posted by EnzeruPak wrote the Sentry so what your opinion is has no bearing on what his story did with regards to the Sentry. He makes things canon not you. Sentry poured his power into the Hulk not into the planet. WW Hulk survived it no problem and he was holding back. [🙂]
Do you want to know something funny? I know more about the Sentry then Pak knows. I know more about the Sentry, then you do.And no, It's not me making excuses, since Sentry is not limited to a city buster, but it looks like you're failing to see it. Sentry is destroying multiple planets, while vastly holding back. It's that simple.
Yes, Sentry rushed him when his attention was on the rest of the team who were all fighting him while he had a few seconds of recovery time. Sentry then collapsed right after. [🙂] I agree Blue Marvel wasn't able to react while fighting an entire team but one on one he could react which is entirely different.
No, Blue Marvel was pushing other characters around and the last action he did was punching Iron man to the ground. During that, Sentry speedblitzed him into the ground from above. During one punch, Sentry traveled from the space, to the Earth and speedblitzed him. Blue Marvel was not able to react to that, just the way Thor was not able to react to the speedblitz in die midair, where Sentry took him away from Osborn.Sentry > Hulk
Sentry > Thanos[/B]
WW Hulk>Sentry because he won. Thanos>>>Sentry since Iron Man and the Human Torch have defeated him.
Yes, he lost control couldn't stop so Bruce Banner stopped him. He thanked Bruce for stopping him. You are speculating and favoring one showing over another and wildly speculating.
The difference is ... During WW Hulk Sentry was afraid he would lose the control over his powers and he did lose the control over them, starting leveling city blocks, half of the city.
In a different isntance, he was afraid of the damage he could do to the planet, when he faced Photon. Photon teleported them into a microverse, Sentry cut loose and started destroying planets, while still holding back.The point is ... We KNOW that he was mentally unstable during WW Hulk, and we DON'T KNOW about his stability during the Photon fight. He looked a lot more confident though. [/B]
I am citing examples to back my claims your claims are Thanos has never faced anyone like him. That isn't debating. That's just wasting bandwith. We look at the majority of how they are portrayed and the Sentry/Void brings a lot of baggage while being far weaker than Thanos. Thanos is immune to death the Void isn't. I backed my claims you haven't. You want to ignore the helicarrier while saying he's stronger than Thanos while ignoring he wasn't even portrayed as an equal in terms of strength against WW Hulk.
The problem is that you're only riding on Sentry's showings, where he was in a weak state, yet you ignore every single one of his high showings. You're doing so to give Thanos a fighting chance.
Yet when it comes to forum fights, we don't simply downgrade a character, so that the other one would have a chance. We use characters, when they're at their peak and during WW Hulk Sentry was not at his peak.Good thing that lifting the Helicarrier is not Sentry's only showing, right? 🙂[/B]
That's not very impressive considering he's an elite top tier. Maybe that impresses you but not me.
You know, other showings like where he was forcing Hercules to use strenght against him, or when he was lifting a giant cruise ship, which was full of water, or where he was containing an escaping Cosmic Cube.Either you can say that Sentry was containing the escaping energy of the Cosmic Cube, or that he was holding the escaping Cosmic Cube physically. Both showings are great, since you should know how much energy a Cosmic Cube has, and an escaping Cosmic Cube sank an entire island once, which weighs a lot more then a Helicarrier. [/B]
Yes, he's strong but not as strong as Thanos. Thanos resisted a cc's power in koing him straight up. That's far more impressive than just holding one.
You haven't proven anything. I have.
Yet again you fail miserably to prove something, don't you.LOL![/B]
1. No, you pretended things didn't count and rambled on that isn't debating.
1. Already adressed that over and over again. In my last responses, in my responses in other threads and even in this posts.2. Sentry was in a weak mental state when he was facing the Collective and stalemating him for a while. He was the one who was in disadvantage, since additionally to that the Collective was inexperienced with his powers, but yet he was easily able to kill Alpha Flight and overpower Binary and yet an unstable Sentry was able to take him on. He got BFR'd, he continued shortly after and continued fighting.
Imagine what a stable Sentry does to Collective. HE DESTROYS HIM, NYEHEHEHEHE. [/B]
2.Seems to me like a lot of showings where he's in a weakened state of mind. Stalemating the Collective isn't that impressive anyways since Thanos has beaten the Maker and easily on panel.
That's speculation considering the Sentry didn't even destroy Hercules on panel or Thor. 😂
Surfer has easily bested Terrax. Morg has bested terrax. Terrax isn't that impressive. The manner in which he handled terrax was but the guy isn't up to taking on WW Hulk or the Surfer. Thanos has destroyed another character the Surfer who has easily bested Terrax.
Sentry was bored while he dodged Terrax' attacks, stopped his attack, broke his hand and broke Terrax' cosmic axe. No one ever overpowered Terrax that easily.How many other elite top tiers do you know who destroy multiple planets, while holding back? Gladiator is supposed to be an elite top tier and he needed few full powered strikes to destroy a planet.
World Breaker Hulk's and empowered Red She-Hulk's coalision destroyed one planet.Sentry stands above all of these people, he also stands above Thanos, face it.
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Anything Sentry does Thanos does better.
Thanos would wipe his ass with the Sentry the guy who struggles with leaving his apartment.
Sentry is mentally weak a lot of the time and it comes out in prolonged fights and guess what he can't ever put Thanos down. Ever. Yes, and no showing of the Sentry's comes anywhere near Thanos' best. None.
Sentry can beat Thanos and he would. Sentry is only mentally weak, if you wish him to be for this particular fight and that's your only wish, since otherwise Thanos doesn't stand a chance. Sentry was not always mentally unstable. He had sanity showings all over the place and therefore we use his prime showings and not his low showings to judge his power level, because nearly all of his low showings were there for the sake of the plot. To give the other characters a chance.AOD Thanos can cause permanent death and it's still a debate in this thread if he could do it to the Sentry too. You can't prove that he can, because he never did it to someone like the Sentry, so it's a draw. [/B]
Thanos can kill immortal beings so he kills the Sentry since Thor can with sentry's permission.
Have I struck a nerve ? 😂
You're so god damn ...
Already adressed these points over and over again, yet you're ignoring them on a regular basis. [/B]
You keep saying baseless claim after baseless claim. Try to prove something.Void > Thanos (since it was Robert who was restraining the Void and wishing to be killed to save everyone on the planet)
Sentry > Thanos (since Thanos would not be able to deal with Sentry's speed, strenght, energy output which we saw in the past, when he was in a better condition and not depowered for the sake of the plot)Sentry > Human Torch (pathetic plot device, since Sentry is able to solo Hammond including all of the other bafoons)
Sentry > evey single Skrull besides Kubik
Sentry > Hercules in terms of everything besides the skill, since Hercules is even more skilled then Thor [/B]
Back up your assertion Thanos cannot take on someone with the speed and strength of the Sentry despite Hercules,WW Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, and the Human Torch doing so.
The skrulls easily screwed with his mind and got rid of him. How noble for a hero to disappear when the going gets tough.
Human Torch still defeated someone vastly more powerful. That's pathetic.
Originally posted by EnzeruIron Man didn't lack the strength or speed. Hercules didn't lack the strength and speed. Human Torch didn't lack the strength and speed. Blue Marvel didn't lack the strength and speed to compete with him either. Thor didn't lack the strength and speed. I just cited numerous examples of characters weaker than Thanos not only competing but some actually defeating the Sentry. Thanos is far more powerful than any of these characters/immune to death/able to cause permanent death/has abilities to counter speed and far too cunning/intelligent for the Sentry/Void.
Thanos can't do crap. He lacks the strenght and speed to compete with the Sentry, two of the most important attributes, when it comes to a battle. Additionally to that we're talking about comic book characters right now who have so much more under their dispossal and that goes especially for the Sentry with his versatility.
Thor killed him with his permission. That's called destroying his body. Loki knew he couldn't put the Void down but Loki's been unable to best Thor as well so really nothing amazing about it. Void didn't oneshot Thor, etc. Who did he oneshot other than Loki ? Honestly ?
The potential in matter manipulation is not hyperbole.
Loki saw that he was not able to do crap to the Void, that his brother was not able to do crap to the Void. That no one on the battlefield was able to do crap to the Void, who was one-shotting everyone. Thanos can't do it as well. [/B]
The rest of the avengers all pale in comparison to Thor so really what are you trying to prove that street levelers can't really harm him. Nicely done. Yes, a nuke like explosion caused the guilt to manifest itself in the guise of Bob who demanded death. Thor was powerful enough to destroy his body.
No one besides Thor was able to harm the Void after they lost the upgrade, but at that point the Void was already badly harmed and Thor was the most powerful hero on the battlefield.
He then teleported the Void away and Iron Man dropped the Helicarrier onto him, which caused a nuke-like explosion, which reverted Void back to Robert, who then asked to be killed, while he was restraining the Void, since even when he started turning back to the Void, he was still in control, because "the Void" was screaming: "KILL ME!" [/B]
Yes, I acknowledge that but Thanos doesn't need his help since he can cause permanent death. /thread. It was over in the first post.
Bendis also said that the heroes were able to defeat the Void, because Robert allowed it to. Bendis simply didn't want to let someone like Spider-Woman say: "Oh boy, if he didn't allow us to defeat him, then we would never have been able to kill him".[/B]
Lots of characters harmed the Void including Thor who destroyed his entire body. The Void could have come back if not for himself wanting death but this is Thanos who doesn't need anyone's help he's Thanos, mate.
And that was the right decision, because it would have been disrespectful to everyone on the battlefield.NO ONE EVER HARMED THE VOID, BESIDES THE SENTRY.[/B]
I understand you are lying to yourself and it needs to stop. Thor destroyed his entire body with one attack. That's not only harming but destroying his entire body. Thanos oneshots him.
Sentry was always the one who was able to harm and overpower him physically. Do you actually understand that?
The only, only, only, only other instance where someone actually managed to harm the Void was during the Siege, where all the heroes gained a power upgrade, which put him so much above their regular power level.If you think about that, or at least try to, then you know where Sentry stands with his damage output, when he is mentally stable, since when he is mentally stable, the Void can't take over and has to manifest himself as a separate entity.
And then he gets attacked by the Sentry, pierced and tossed into the sun, because Sentry is that awesome.Sentry > Thanos[/B]
1. He asked Thor to do so and he ended up granting the request.1. Thor had the permission to do something like that. Many people were even thinking that Thor was the only one who would have been able to do something like that and everyone was always saying that Robert asked Thor to kill him, yet Robert was looking into the ground and asked the Avengers to kill him. Thor was the one with the biggest ego and said: "No."
2. WW Hulk was in disadvantage against the Sentry. WW Hulk is one of the most powerful Hulk versions, while Sentry was in a weak condition. Do the math.
3. Human Torch BFR'd the Sentry with an incredibly stupid plot device, since Sentry was more then once near the sun and was doing just fine.[/B]
2.I agree WW Hulk was in a disadvantage since he had to protect the people since the Sentry lost his composure. Hulk still overcame.
3. That's still a win. Man, that sucks the Human Torch beat him. That's pretty bad.
Glad to hear you admit Thanos is more powerful and since stupider/weaker characters than Thanos can best him then so can he. Awesome.
Thanos is more powerful then these guys, but so is the Sentry and in the end Sentry would pwn in a logical fight, where he would use his powers propperly, while Thanos would not be able to compete with the strenght and the speed.[/B]
There's a first time for everything I await with fevered anticipation.
I always make sense. [/B]
Lord Mar-vell was powerful enough to oneshot the Magus, easily ward off Nova and destroy Surfer's board with minimal effort thus proving he's beyond elite top tier. I mean guys far below elite top tier such as Iron Man and Human Torch have outright defeated the Sentry before. Thanos used his cunning to trick him. Yes, he made Mar-vell feel he was getting what he wanted but in the end destroying life's champions hold over that universe.
How many strenght feats did Lord Mar-Vell have? How many feats did Lord Mar-Vell have overall? It's not like the X-Vell family always was over the top in terms of the strenght :-7
And you fail to forget what happened afterwards. I remember Thanos lying on a desk, all strapped with Lord Mar-Vell standing above him.[/B]
Yes, I just brought up an extremely powerful character Thanos effortlessly slapped around. Get back to me when the Sentry avenges that Human Torch loss. Oh right, he's dead. My bad.
Besides that there is already a "Lord Marvell vs Sentry" thread, where I'm still waiting for Nihilist to answer to it, as well to answer my posts on the "Thanos VS Sentry" debate, where Sentry obviously wins. [/B]
He didn't decide to return in a reasonable amount of time he loses. Againast Thanos he doesn't get the choice but once he's mentally compromised he won't want to come back anyway but don't worry he doesn't have the choice against the avatar of death.
Robert Reynolds can be killed, but the thing is that he decides to simply return, by manifesting from his very own point of existence in the regular world. Thanos killed a bunch of people in a universe without death. There is a difference and it's also a debate in this thread. It is a difference if someone returns over and over again from the dead and if someone can't kill in the first place, because the universe doesn't know something like the death.And once again: Thanos himself said that even immortality has it's limit after he asked himself if Champion could surive a fall from the orbit...
And yes, Thanos is awesome. I know more about him, then you know about the Sentry. Let me tell you about my collection of comics, where Thanos appears:
Thanos Quest, Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War, Infinity Crusade, Thanos: Infinity Abyss, Marvel: The End, Thanos, The Thanos Imperative ...[/B]
Thanos caused what couldn't be caused by anyone else due to his power over death. That's it. He's immune to death the Void isn't. That isn't speculating that's a fact.
I could care less about your box of comics. [🙂]
A lot more than you apparently.
How many Sentry comics do you have? Probably not many, therefore your lack of knowledge. [/B]
I M not your mate I am your father. You tried to twist plenty of times the truth or the stories so what's one more time.[/b][/quote]
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You have some serious problems, MATE.[/B][/QUOTE]You are my little mate. I am trying to educate you.
Thor was powerful enough to destroy his body. He could have returned on Thor but mentally wanted death so he didn't come back.
Thor was not powerful enough, Thor was granted the opportunity to kill Robert, who then decided to never return. It's that simple.It's not a mental weakness, it's called heroism.
Thanos will have more problems, then you already have.
Sentry > Thanos [/B]
Heroism isn't slaughtering your friends, Ares or abandoning earth to the Skrulls or suicide. Heroism is taking control of your life and atoning. So much to learn from me, mate.
Thanos>>>>Sentry.
Originally posted by Enzerua. Concession accepted.
a) Doesn't make any sence, so I'm going to skip it ...
b) Thor was allowed to deal the killing blow to an already weakened Void ...
c) Yes, Loki like in Loki, the elite god, the elite comic book character, who got one-shotted through the Norn-stones ...
d) The only instance with the mental weakness was that Void was able to take completely over in the first place. It's heroism which appeared after Void vanished few seconds, where Robert decided to end it all ...
Yes, but Thanos can cause permanent death so who cares. I am talking about Thanos ala Thanos Imperative sorry you seem quite scared of avatar of death Thanos. It isn't going away. Thanos killed a bunch of beings who didn't have the power to go away that's more impressive than simply being too scared to come back.Robert asked for the kill, and decided to stay away. You're still talking about Thanos' AOD upgrade, basically the only thing which turns this battle into a stalemate, since no one the fighters would be able to kill each other.
Thanos never killed someone like the Sentry permanently.
Take away that finger and stick it up somewhere else. [/B]
Yes, I understand that but these personalities can overlap one another. The Void wanted total control and didn't have it even then but hoped this would push him further to the edge of sanity to let the Void completely take over. In Siege it happened but then Bob manifested and the guilt made him regret his actions and demand death.
That's the complexity you fail to understand. It was Void who wanted Osborn to get rid of Lindy, yet it was Sentry, who was screaming under Void's possession and even turning into the Void, threatening Bullseye, after Lindy disappeared.
The Sentry is the Void and the Void is the Sentry. It's brilliant.And it was Sentry's good side who always restrained the Void from killing Lindy. [/B]
I know it was his good side. There are two sides opposing each other in him constantly jockeying for position.
I already posted scans you cannot refute. It's already over but the crying. Thanos oneshots him and causes permanent death.
Oh then go ahead and post scans o_O I can gladly destroy you with the usage of scans too. Right now your arguments are based on lowballing the Sentry, while I'm using his true power level to argue for him. There is not even one speculation in my words.
And I guess you're only big, and nothing else. [/B]
I just brought up another example of someone else powerful enough to end it. It wasn't just the Sentry yet Strange didn't run away because he got scared.
You do know that they also got rid of Dr. Strange during the Civil War, right? There is no difference. They exploited Sentry's mental issues to get rid of him, no biggie.Sentry wins! Adressed all of these points. [/B]
Thanos oneshots him.
Originally posted by EnzeruNo, because the Sentry hasn't moved faster than Hercules/Thor/WW Hulk/Ares/Human Torch/Blue Marvel/Photon have been able to react to before. Thanos easily waved down Thor's hammer and easily stopped Fallen One's speed by simply raising his hand. I don't even need to bring up Thanos' reflexes against the Surfer in ig either to address this nonsense.
LOL!
Sentry can move faster then Thanos can react. It has been proved in Thanos fights with Captain Marvel who is probably slower then Sentry.
Thanos toyed with Doom. Iron Man's tech not only dealt with sentry's attacks Iron Man bested him. 😂
And what are Thanos force fields going to do? Doctor Dooms defensive tech was enough to protect him from a blast of the Infinity Gauntlet, yet it was not enough to hold the Sentry off.
Doctor Doom's shields were at 100% of their capacity, Sentry went through them and ripped apart Doom's armor. Sentry even walked a second time through his force fields and outmuscled Doom who was wielding the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.
Sentry even impressed Reed Richards by simply going through his stasis field.
What makes you think that Thanos force fields, which have been shattered before are going to hold off the Sentry? [/B]
Sentry is greater than Doom and so is Thanos. Thanos is greater than Iron Man though but so far the Sentry has lost to him. Yes, the Sentry is powerful just nowhere near Thanos level of power.
Thanos forceshields have made Galactus deplete vital energies while he was well nourished before and have held off Omega a character roughly about twice the level of Galactus.
Once again you are distancing yourself from pretty much 80 percent of his showings. I debate with what's happened your debating is sentry is too fast, too strong nonsense without posting evidence in Thanos' history or Sentry's to come to this conclusion.
Once again you're using Sentry's bad showings, which aren't even bad showings, because they were terrible, terrible plot-devices, to remove him as fast as possible from the battlefield and you're overhyping the named Thanos' showings, but I also adressed these points before, or they have been adressed in the thread. [/B]
That Sentry wasn't weak power wise at all he just didn't have enough power to put down WW Hulk.
You've seen an unstable and therefore weak Sentry taking on one of the most powerful Hulk versions so far, having the upper hand in the entire battle and stopping WW Hulk, and you're not impressed?Thor had more problems with weaker versions of the Hulk in the past, while a stable Sentry wasn't even flinching when Hulk was attacking him.
Additionally to that one of the weakest Hulk versions, the Professor Hulk was pushing Thanos around and punching him against walls, into walls and so on.
If I were you I would be impressed, but that would require not to be biased towards Thanos. [/B]
Thor also has never burned himself out either.
Punching Thanos isn't beating Thanos despite Human Torch and Iron Man both of whom are far weaker than Hulk have defeated the Sentry.
Thanos oneshots him.
Sentry wins.
His mindset is a part of his entire character yes, but Sentry has bad days and he has good days. When he has bad days, he still stalemates WW Hulk and the Collective and when he has good days, he shredds multiple planets apart, while still holding back.You're doing the mistake that you're only talking about Sentry's bad days, depowering him personally for this particular fight, so that Thanos could win it and that sir is uber pathetic.
Thanos was afraid of Warlock and he trained Gamora to take on Warlock. Thanos also got tossed around by Gamora.
PS: Sentry wins. [/B]
Even on good days such as Siege he's come up bad. Thanos oneshots him. He burned himself out while pouring all he had into the WW Hulk still it wasn't enough. The Collective was only stalemated and is nowhere near as impressive as Thanos defeating the maker.
Thanos oneshots him.
Thanos killed Warlock. Warlock has needed Thanos to help save the universe more than once. Thanos also feigned weakness and easily killed her.
Ps. Thanos oneshots him.
Thanos is more powerful.
Sentry is that powerful.
Two characters said that Sentry stalemated Galactus, while Thanos begged Galactus to spare his life.Sentry > Thanos.
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Sentry had help and it wasn't on panel so we don't know the context.
Human Torch defeated Sentry.
Thanos>>>>>Sentry.
What comics state this ? Sentry also comes with his state of mind it's who he is. [🙂]
-- Comics also stated that Sentry was in a weak mental condition, unable to control the amount of his power, he was wielding during that time period and that amount of power was weak.
-- Read comics.
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Thanos teleports away because why take damage if you don't have to. Sentry burned himself out destroying a few city blocks in ny. Thanos>>>>>Sentry.
Sentry >>>>> Thanos, the guy who needs to teleport away from an exploding planet.You're that old and still that behaviour? I pity you.[/B]
Save your pity for your parents.
That shows you heroes can lose in their own book so you can't use it as an excuse like in WW Hulk.
Blue Marvel got defeated by the Sentry in his own book. That actually shows you that even the creators of the character see his opponent as superior.Sentry > Blue Marvel
Sentry > ThanosRead the comics, dude, read the freakin' comics.
Sentry was trying to talk it out, there was not even one instance where he actually tried to take Hercules out seriously. Hercules blocked Sentry's punch, had to support his arm to hold him, kicked him in the nuts and ran away. [/B]
Thanos>>>>>>Sentry>Blue Marvel
Yes, Hercules showed he's fast enough to make the sentry's speed look awful.
You used Hulk punching Thanos as proof of something so I simply returned the favor. [🙂]
She-Hulk decked Sentry..? Damn, you're so weird, it's not even funny anymore. Sentry BFR'd She-Hulk by tossing her through the city, she returned with a taxi and punched him from behind down, while he was giving an interview. He stood up, was taking her punches, without even bothering, talking to her, punched her away and BFR'd her again.[/B]
They are quick enough to react to him just like Thanos. That's a what if and against the rules. 😂
Thor and Hercules are indeed more skilled then Sentry, but that's about it. Sentry prevails in everything else.
In "What If? Secret Invasion" (yes, I know it's a what If) Sentry was fighting Thor and outpowering him with his speed, since he hit Thor faaar more often. Thor had to attack him from behind, while Sentry was busy with something else. He grabbed him and broke his neck, but told him, that he could have been the best of them all.[/B]
No, the Sentry hasn't beaten Thor the Voidtry is beyond him but not just the Sentry. Not yet anyways.
But even in canon comics: Sentry > Thor.
Where Thor gets busted by Ymir demons, Sentry explodes through them with his one million exploding suns, while Spider-Man swings Thor to safety.
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Yes, he's farrrrrrr and away smarter. Iron Man profited from it as did Human Torch.
They stood up and were perfectly fine.Thanos is smarter then the Sentry, but he will not be able to profit from his intelligence, because he is weaker and slower then the Sentry, also less versatile and his energy output is also lower.
Sentry > Void > Thanos, it's all in the comics. [/B]
Thanos oneshots him.
Originally posted by EnzeruThanos has powers as the avatar of death. He didn't bring death with him at the onset that's a myth.
Yes, because they were in an universe without death. Should be kinda logical, that no one can kill them there, besides the guy who comes with Death herself and brings the aspect of Death into that particular universe when he uses his powers o_O
Thanos is immune to death on his own and still after his mission was accomplished.
It's still canon. [🙂] Don't run from canon showings.
You're getting pesky and even more ridiculous with that WW Hulk bullcrap. [/B]
1.What does that have to do with the writer's portrayal in Thanos Imperative ?
1. Yes, Thanos was fighting Champion and asked himself if the fall from the orbit would kill Champion, because even immortality has it's limits. That were Thanos' words.2. It's a perfectly understandable logic, that people from Cancerverse don't have the choice to die, because the concept of death does not exist in that universe. Robert Reynolds returns from the death, because he chooses to. He is more then just immortal, he is omnipotent. People from the Cancerverse are not omnipotent, because they can't die. Teleport these people into the regular Marvel universe. Will they be able to die? Probably yes, because death exists in that universe.
3. Avatar Of Death is the only thing which could turn this fight in Thanos' favour. Besides that he has so many disadvantages. Without the AOD upgrade he is lost. [/B]
2.No, he isn't more than immortal he can die and stay dead. he is currently dead as we speak. Reynolds isn't all powerful that's just ridiculous. Thanos didn't bring death to the universe until the ritual destroyed Mar-vell. Thanos killed those in his path prioor to through his power the only reason death came back was the ritual in which Mar-vell died. Think. Learn. Grow.
3. That isn't the only thing but that makes it a curb stomp since he can't come back and it's over with one blast since Thor can destroy his body in one blast.
We go by most current. Don't be silly. Destroying planets is something the Surfer can achieve it doesn't get him very far against Thanos.
If we go by current versions, then there wouldn't even be a fight, since Sentry is supposed to be dead, even though he is not, since we never saw him returning during Chaos War, where the Chaos King was resurrecting everyone.His best showings are destroying planets, while holding back, while Captain America was in the microverse. When Photon teleported Captain America away, Sentry's energies escalated and surpassed the microverse. They were visible in the real world, while he was in a microverse, which is beyond the sub-atomic level. [/B]
You just bragged about destroying planets and now the character who has done so and has lost to Thanos it suddenly becomes unimpressive. You are all over the place stepping all over your own arguments. How sad. World destroying power doesn't mean much to Thanos but to the Sentry's it's pretty high end.
Silver Surfer does not have that much power and neither has Thanos. And no: "The very universe screams." doesn't prove anything. [/B]
I laughed when you told me. I probably own more Sentry comics than you.
I already told you how many Thanos comics I have, while you probably don't have even one single comic with Sentry in it. Your Sentry knowledge comes from other discussions, when he was a often used character in forum battles and where Sentry haters posted his "low" showings to downgrade him and totally ignored everything awesome he has ever done and that's what you're basically doing right now.Yet again you're wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Void himself said that it's not up to him if he can return from the dead or not. It is Robert Reynolds decision, since he is the one with the power, while Void is simply an aspect of his personality.Robert always has the choice.
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Not against Thanos as he stays dead. But don't worry Thanos could convince him to stay dead if he wanted to.
Just debate.
Do what you want, I can negatve everything you bring in, because you don't have a clue.The very same Photon who left the microverse after we saw Sentry's energy growing, growing and even outgrowing the microverse.
Photon probably never had a different chance but to BFR Sentry and even there he already knew that Sentry would find a way out.Sentry can teleport at will, while Thanos has to use tech to teleport. He even has to say it. I'm pretty sure that Sentry can act faster then Thanos can speak, so Thanos is the one who will be BFR'd first, so don't even bring the BFR aspect into the debate. [/B]
Photon won the Sentry lost. Canon.
Thanos can teleport without tech but who cares anyways he uses tech it's a part of him stand equipment. Sentry's speed didn't even show an advantage over Thor or Hercules yet you expect me to believe it matters against Thanos. 😂
Thanos is more powerful, more durable (Thor destroyed his entire body with one blast), more versatile, smarter, and more experience.
Besides that Sentry has so many other advantages, while Thanos only advantage is his intellect / mind and even for that he needs time, which he would not have in this one, since Sentry is that fast.I said so often, that Sentry wins o_O
Oh yeah and something else: Sentry wins.
Do you want to know a secret? Sentry wins.
1 + 1 = Sentry wins. [/B]
Here's the thing you can post these long drawn out responses because I am sure until you met me most posters lost interest and you believed you won the debate. You will learn I won't leave. I won't relent. I will crawl into your soul at the end and one thing will remain clear
Quan doesn't change Quan changes you.