Hulk vs Thor

Originally posted by Silent Master
How is Thor going to lose contact with Mjolnir?

By being hit hard enough to momentarily lose contact with it. This has happened in the past. Should that be called PIS or CIS on Thor's part? You realize that depending on how the individual sees both characters that CIS can be screamed on both sides of the fence right? Thor locking arms with the Hulk for hours is just one of those times. See my point?

Originally posted by Stoic
By being hit hard enough to momentarily lose contact with it. This has happened in the past. Should that be called PIS or CIS on Thor's part? You realize that depending on how the individual sees both characters that CIS can be screamed on both sides of the fence right? Thor locking arms with the Hulk for hours is just one of those times. See my point?

Hit with what?

A punch.

How is the Hulk going to punch a flying Thor?

Originally posted by Silent Master
How is the Hulk going to punch a flying Thor?

Originally posted by Stoic
[b]^ Weak.

Does CISless Thor mean that he would fly away every time that the Hulk attempted to engage him? If your answer is yes, you are obviously attempting to undermine anyone's intelligence that thinks otherwise. CISless means Thor without restraint, not Thor with Silent Master's approach to battle.

Yes Thor can fly faster, but he does not fight at hyper speeds (you know, the thousand punches per second stuff?), think at hyper speeds, or react at hyper speeds. The very fact that Thor has been hit by other characters slower than ones that move at light speed is proof enough, that the Hulk can and has justifiably hit him in the past, and that it was not PIS.

The Hulk has hit Thor in the past, without playing the CIS card. This CIS shit has it's limits, and I believe that you have taxed those limits to the extreme. [/B]

So happy I wrote this earlier. Because I knew that you would switch to silly tactics.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thor would certainly hit the Hulk, however there is a chance that the Hulk could evade, or simply uses the environment (one million tons of rock) to absorb or throw at Thor, while he attempts to close the distance.

Proving that Thor's attacks would put down HOTM Hulk is harder to prove than the Hulk's ability to possibly close the distance between himself, and Thor, so good luck proving that this could not happen.

Thor not having cosmic senses, or low level precognition means that he would not foresee, or be able to read what the Hulk's next move would be. So yeah I did counter your point. Can you explain why none of this could happen? I mean with 100% confidence on your part.

here's another one.

With CIS off, There is no reason for Thor to put himself in melee range of the Hulk.

Originally posted by Silent Master
With CIS off, There is no reason for Thor to put himself in melee range of the Hulk.

Who said that he would need to? How about the fact that the Hulk actually has a mind, and will of his own?

Originally posted by Stoic
Who said that he would need to? How about the fact that the Hulk actually has a mind, and will of his own?

And how will that help him get into melee range?

By moving into position and jumping at him. Or using the environment to throw at him as a distraction while jumping at him. I showed you earlier how long it would take for the Hulk to reach Thor at over mach 7 speeds. And the fact that Thor does not possess a danger sense that will allow for him to dodge every attempt. I guess Thor will fly around like Peter Pan screaming By Odin or some such, while he blasts the crap out of the Hulk who at that point would be unwilling to mount either a defense or offense.

So basically, your argument requires Thor to fight like an idiot.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So basically, your argument requires Thor to fight like an idiot.

Nope my argument is that Thor would only be in control of his actions, and the Hulk would be in control of his, and have the ability to reach Thor who does not have the ability to dodge attacks on any level resembling Spiderman's, and thus making it plausible that the Hulk could hit him, or jump at him and tag him. Not that Thor would be fighting like an idiot. That's my argument.

Let's break this down.

Question 1

Who is more likely to dodge the most attacks?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Let's break this down.

Question 1

Who is more likely to dodge the most attacks?

1. It depends on the tactics that either resorts to using. As I mentioned earlier, the Hulk is not a dummy, but is able to think and act tactically. Thus it would not be beyond his character to use large projectile type objects as a screen in order to reach Thor, and turn this into a brawl for all. Typically speaking, Thor is a better technical martial artist than the Hulk. So in terms of parrying blows, Thor is capable of dodging more attacks. But, because he does not have a danger sense, he would eat a few hits.

I agree, Thor will likely dodge the most attacks.

Question 2

Who is more likely to land the most attacks?

2. This depends entirely on the tactics taken by each opponent. if the Hulk of HOTM closed the distance which I have yet to understand why he could not, I see the Hulk dealing out the most blows in the long run. Thor on the onset of battle however would be scoring more, but as I just mentioned. As time proceeded, the Hulk would in many scenarios deal more infighting damage. From a distance it's obvious that Thor would get in more energy strikes, while also taking gamma bomb strikes from the Hulk, who at some point would be leaking like a breached reactor.

This is where I disagree; between Thor’ flight giving him better maneuverability, his weather control making it easy to impede the Hulk’s maneuverability and his numerous ranged attack options…I feel that it is more likely that he’ll be landing far more attacks.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This is where I disagree; between Thor’ flight giving him better maneuverability, his weather control making it easy to impede the Hulk’s maneuverability and his numerous ranged attack options…I feel that it is more likely that he’ll be landing far more attacks.

So you're argument is that the Hulk fights like an idiot? The Hulk has proven that he's not the Solomon Grundy dumb as a bag of shyt type character. When he defeated the U-Foes outside of his Savage Hulk days, he used tactics to do so. I mean he literally mopped the Vapor chick up, and put her in a jar if I remember correctly. This is what you may refuse to see, and leads you to believe that Thor would be the only one getting in hits, while ignoring the Hulk's tactical abilities. It's not just you, but I have seen people under the same misconstrued notion, when it comes to the Hulk. on top of it all, he's no more of a one trick pony than DC's Captain Marvel... and I mean this in terms of the amount of powers that he actually has.

Should I list them? Do you see where I'm coming from?

No, my argument is that Thor has far more options which is a huge advantage in a CIS off fight.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, my argument is that Thor has far more options which is a huge advantage in a CIS off fight.

This still does not give Thor the auto win, especially not against a Hulk who is leagues above the Savage hulk that stalemated him with CIS on way back in the day. Nor does it stop the Hulk from using tactics to get in close to make this a brawl for all fight. Not saying that Thor can't take some, but I'm pretty positive that the Hulk would as well.

I also find it kind of funny to have read people saying that the Hulk could have never been putting out as much power as Thor has, when there is really no concrete proof, or way of measuring either.