Originally posted by Silent Master
I've never said that Thor wins 10/10...however without CIS, the battle favors the person that can fly and has multiple long range attack options.
the Hulk can leap to the point of flight, and has even changed directions in mid leap. The Hulk of HOTM has long range energy attacks as well. See, he's not a one trick pony if you really look at the character closer.
Originally posted by Stoic
the Hulk can leap to the point of flight, and has even changed directions in mid leap. The Hulk of HOTM has long range energy attacks as well. See, he's not a one trick pony if you really look at the character closer.
Are you really going to argue that Hulk's jumping is equal to Thor's flight?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you really going to argue that Hulk's jumping is equal to Thor's flight?
I'm going to argue that Thor's top flight speed is far greater than his reaction ability, and at close burst ranges that since he does not have the ability to foresee events before they happen that his air superiority can be compromised. This is how it would be possible for the Hulk to in fact grab him, and change this fight to suit him. Can Thor out of 10 fights evade the Hulk by flying out into space and KO'ing the Hulk yes he can, but i don't see him doing this every time.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're missing the point again, I mentioned Thor's flight as an advantage and you responded by mentioning the Hulk's jumping ability.Are you seriously arguing that the Hulk’s jumping ability completely negates the advantage Thor’s flight grants him?
I really didn't miss the point, nor am i ignorant to Thor's air superiority, but do the math, a guy that can leap at speeds above mach 7 can cover half a km in less time than you think. To add to this, those were Savage hulks leaping speeds. The hulk's short range burst speeds are more than capable of compromising Thor's air superiority, especially if you factor in the fact that Thor does not have a danger sense that says that he would be expecting the Hulk to leap at him. I got your point perfectly, now if only you could see mine.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor is well aware of the Hulk's jumping ability, therefore with CIS off...the logical thing to do is place enough distance between them so that he'd have enough time to react to such an attack.
You're reaching, should we review the forum rules and how far apart they are when the battle begins? Should we take apart all of Thor's appearances to find out that although he can fly at great speeds that he does not react nearly as fast? Should we try to find a scan that shows Thor's ability to read another characters feints or better yet their minds? Should we check out his new Spider sense, or low level precognitive abilities? Or should we accept the fact that the Hulk can do the unexpected.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor doesn't need spider-sense or low level precognitive abilities to know that the Hulk is going to try and get into melee range.
He can know all of this, but the question is can he stop the hulk from getting into range? Mike Tyson knew that Evander Holyfield was going to attempt to punch him, and he even saw the punch coming, but was still tagged.
It's like I said before, The Hulk is not limited to simply leaping at Thor, he could hurl city sized chunks of debris at Thor to cover his approach, and his approach would be far faster than Evander's punch. It was never written in HOTM as to how fast Betty and Bruce were leaping at eachother, but it should be fairly logical to agree that they were leaping at speeds that exceeded the Savage Hulk's mach 7 speeds. After all, isn't it strength that allowed the Savage hulk to attain those speeds in the first place?
This being said, it is very easy to imagine that a superior Hulk could travel at far greater speeds. Speeds that surely could allow him to grab Thor, as he whirls, and twirls his hammer. i mean that is if CIS is off for both combatants, and this is not one of those double standard type threads.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Thor says "return your" energy tenfold. I appreciate the scan but it's pretty ambiguous and doesn't really definitively confirm your claim either way. What book is this from? It doesn't even look canon.
http://marvel.wikia.com/Avengers:_Earth%27s_Mightiest_Heroes_Vol_1
It's from "Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" (and no, it's not based off of the TV show). It's completely canon as it's a re-telling of the origin of the Avengers in the modern time.
The argument "it doesn't look canon" is a horrible one if you go simply off of the art. 😬
Originally posted by Silent Master
The planet is indestructible, he won't be tossing any "city sized' chunks of deris at Thor.You should really read the OP.
The planet is indestructible, but what about the landscape? Are they fighting on a marble? You should really come up with a response to the points that i have brought up or just admit that Thor isn't going to be walking away with a 10/10, and that the Hulk could win quite a few of these.
Also, concerning Thor's absorbtion:
There, Thor amplifies Thanos' own mystical energy one hundred fold and he does this while invoking his weather powers at the same time, so the idea that Thor can't multi-task is rendered invalid.
And of course, here's one of Thor's greatest feats:
Notice how the process of said absorbing (not the discharge of the energy itself) takes place in a single panel, suggesting that, no, it doesn't take much time at all to do such a thing.
We know that Thor can do this very quickly and can call upon storms while doing it. I don't think Thor wins 10/10, but he definitely wins a majority here.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Since when has the ground not been considered part of a planet?
Now you're resorting to the same type of debating that you were doing earlier. hey it's okay to be wrong once in a while, I do it all of the time. Just i don't believe that I am doing it now. Let's ask Damborgson, if he wanted to neuter the Hulk to the point that he could no longer use anything at hand, like the OP says both combatants could. Just concede.
