Originally posted by Silent Master
I never said that Thor would win 10/10, therefore me now saying that the Hulk could win a couple isn't a change in position.
Should I go back and post your answers? Because from what I read, you really didn't give the Hulk a chance against this Thor of yours and him flitting about like Peter Pan, screaming by Odin, and blasting the shyt out of the Hulk, while the Hulk sat there and did nothing. You even tried to change the rules of this thread to make your argument even stronger. I mean you have to admit that you were stooping pretty low with that little stunt.
However if you say that you didn't try to do all of those things, I guess I'll take your word for it, with a grain of salt, even though your posts would run contrary to this. The fact is that every fight out of 10 would make WB Hulk a great threat to Thor, and he would have a large possibility of losing each one. I would settle for a technical stalemate at this point, because before I ever posted to this subject, I took both opponents strength into consideration. You failed to do this. it's okay to admit it, most that posted on the subject are guilty of the same thing.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You can go back and repost whatever you want, but the fact remains that I never gave Thor 10/10, therefore my position hasn't changed, I'm sorry but you'll just have to find another way to make yourself feel important.Back to the thread, a CIS Thor will win a vast majority.
Yeah if the Hulk sits there on the sidelines taking a dump and refusing to act. Yeah I can see this. However if he fights back Thor would have a hell of a fight on his hands, and could lose every single fight out of 10. Should we continue with the Hulk's ability to tactically get into Thor's face? Thor would win a blaster match, but if the Hulk ever grabs him, he would be beaten fairly bad.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Show me Hulk tagging Thor when Thor was trying to keep his distance, and not brawl with the Hulk.Hulk's not winning this fight. The only reason Thor vs Hulk has always been a good fight is due to CIS on Thor's part (holding back, going h2h, and not using all his abilities). Take that away and Hulk's not winning.
Marvel has made it clear though that the Hulk wins in a fight. In this thread with these stips Thor stands a better chance but Hulk is able to counter or power through the vast majority of Thor's offense. Allowing Hulk to use the Earth both defensively and offensively on top of his own extremely escalated power level is a game changer.
Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah if the Hulk sits there on the sidelines taking a dump and refusing to act. Yeah I can see this. However if he fights back Thor would have a hell of a fight on his hands, and could lose every single fight out of 10. Should we continue with the Hulk's ability to tactically get into Thor's face? Thor would win a blaster match, but if the Hulk ever grabs him, he would be beaten fairly bad.
The only way for Thor to lose more than a couple is if he fights like a retard, however this is a CIS off fight, so Thor is going to win a vast majority.
The only way that Thor wins the vast majority is if the Hulk fights like a retard. If he uses tactics, instead of just leaping in the air to be blasted back, then he could win just as many as Thor, maybe even more. This will obviously go nowhere, because you have little foresight, so I'll let you continue to play your little games. Just remember that there are a number of ways that the Hulk could turn this into a fist fist, CIS on or off.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, Thor just has to use his brains and since this is a CIS off match....he will.
Like I said, the no CIS clause has it's limits, and certianly doesn't make Thor invincible. have you ever once considered the possibility that Thor might not have the power to even effect HOTM Hulk? I mean what evidence does anyone have? Do we even know how much power was being thrown around? This is why I would be happy to settle on a technical stalemate. This is me being honest, because i have never once had trouble conceding when proven wrong. The thing here, is that I may be right, and justifiably so. Carver saying that an entire universe was destroyed could have been right. It wasn't ever clarified 100%, he could be wrong as well. We don't even know if the power that was pouring off of the hulk during the affair would have turned Thor to dust by just being in close proximity of the battle.
You see my point? It's obvious that neither of us may agree on everything, and at this point i'm not willing to waste any more time on the subject. but people should give credit where it is due, and give HOTM Hulk the possibility of perhaps even being far above classic Thor, as he was stalemated by the Savage Hulk. On top of it, there was nothing written that said that he could not have gotten exponentially stronger than he was during HOTM. See what I mean?
Originally posted by Stoic
Like I said, the no CIS clause has it's limits, and certianly doesn't make Thor invincible. have you ever once considered the possibility that Thor might not have the power to even effect HOTM Hulk? I mean what evidence does anyone have? Do we even know how much power was being thrown around? This is why I would be happy to settle on a technical stalemate. This is me being honest, because i have never once had trouble conceding when proven wrong. The thing here, is that I may be right, and justifiably so. Carver saying that an entire universe was destroyed could have been right. It wasn't ever clarified 100%, he could be wrong as well. We don't even know if the power that was pouring off of the hulk during the affair would have turned Thor to dust by just being in close proximity of the battle.You see my point? It's obvious that neither of us may agree on everything, and at this point i'm not willing to waste any more time on the subject. but people should give credit where it is due, and give HOTM Hulk the possibility of perhaps even being far above classic Thor, as he was stalemated by the Savage Hulk. On top of it, there was nothing written that said that he could not have gotten exponentially stronger than he was during HOTM. See what I mean?
You should give credit where it's due, CIS off Thor can and will use his flight, weather control, energy blasts, energy absorption etc etc etc
Originally posted by Silent Master
You should give credit where it's due, CIS off Thor can and will use his flight, weather control, energy blasts, energy absorption etc etc etc
But what concrete evidence can you bring forth that absolutely says that the Hulk at this level could not withstand even this amount of abuse without being harmed? There is simply no evidence, and therefore both sides can be argued. As I mentioned earlier, there was nothing that was written that ever stated that the Hulk could not have gotten more powerful. Your only argument is Character Induced Stupidity is off (CIS and yes I know it's meaning, so there is no need for you to keep bringing it up), which means that Thor is fighting with all of his ability. BUT and I will state this only one more time, so pay attention or don't. What concrete evidence can you, or anyone else bring to the table that can prove 100% that even his best, may not be enough.
Sometimes there just isn't a clear winner.
Originally posted by Silent Master
If you think that the Hulk can withstand all that damage, it's on you to prove it.
Proof can not be provided on either side. This is why i said that I am more than willing to settle on a technical stalemate. Which I'm sure that at this point you can understand why.
Originally posted by carver9
A CISLESS Thor is a made up Thor that people can make do whatever they want him to do. Pointless arguing about it.
This is true.
Originally posted by Stoic
Proof can not be provided on either side. This is why i said that I am more than willing to settle on a technical stalemate. Which I'm sure that at this point you can understand why.
Because for one thing, Thor could absorb a good amount(if not all) of the Hulk's gamma energy which would weaken and make him that much easier to defeat.
From what I have seen so far is...Thor is going to fly around at super speeds while creating hurricanes and hail along with creating tornadoes and soul sucking at the same time and charging up a God blast while knocking Hulk up off of him creating a omniblast around his body.
This Thor is unbeatable.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Because for one thing, Thor could absorb a good amount(if not all) of the Hulk's gamma energy which would weaken and make him that much easier to defeat.
This is actually incorrect. The Hulk takes his power from a yet undefined, and infinite power source, and while Thor could do this to a Hulk that could not consciously tap into this power source (Savage Hulk) the same can not be said for the current incarnation of the character. For example, Rulk was unable to drain him, but tapped from the power source, while Bruce was still able to remain the Hulk, but he was able to drain the Savage Hulk, or cut him off from the power source altogether.
Arm'Cheddon was also unable to drain the Hulk, but instead was tapping from the same well of power that made Banner the Hulk. The reason for this was the Hulk being trained on Sakaar to hone his anger, and use it it in a more efficient manner. This is why he was able to attain levels that he never attained before, and at a much faster rate.
There was a time that it took the Hulk 5 minutes to attain class 100 strength, and the durability that came along with that strength. Currently, the Hulk can go from base to World Breaking and beyond levels instantly as seen during HOTM, with the implied durability that comes with that level of strength. Power drainage is simply not an option. Throwing it back at him would only prove to empower him further. Soul attacks take time, and in the past, Thor had to pray in order to perform this on Loki. This could work if the Hulk stood there and allowed for the ludicrous to occur.
You obviously want a winner here, when there isn't enough evidence to prove who would win. There is only the evidence that Thor stalemated with the inferior Savage Hulk. There is only the evidence that Thor had a harder time of defeating the Bi-Beast than HOTM Hulk did when he did not feel his heaviest punches. The rest is simply who people want to to win based on things like, I hate the Hulk, he sucks, or vice versa.
Originally posted by Silent Master
If true, Thor could just use all the energy he drains to amp his own attacks, which just makes it that much easier to injure the Hulk.
If the Hulk stands there and allows for this to happen. That would mean that Thor would be fighting a non intelligent Hulk statue, that doesn't fight back right? Anyways let's agree to not agree. I'm out.